News: PFT: Jerry Jones: I thought we would have coached it up enough to win without Romo

[jwitten82]

I'm talking long term. Not every season is a winning season. But they stay the course, and it pays off. Look at Marvin Lewis, Mike Tomlin, Tom Coughlin, etc. Carolina was about to fire Ron Rivera already.

Meanwhile, other teams change coaches and QBs like underwear, and they go 5-11 on a routine basis like Dallas did in the early 2000s.

And those coaches you mentioned except Lewis all had success early in their careers. Coughlin's first 5 seasons with the expansion jaguars had 4 seasons with a winning record, then his first 5 seasons with the Giants, he had a winning record 3 times including a super bowl win. So those coaches you mentioned proved they could deserved to be long term coaches.

 

[jwitten82]

Matter of fact, I bet most good coaches had some early success you could point to. Example Pete Carroll, his first 5 years as a HC, he had 2 winning seasons, and 1.500 season. Then look at his record with the seahawks for the the first 5 seasons he had 3 winning seasons including a SB win.

 

[erod]

All of those guys have accomplished something in the league. Something either as a coach or coordinator you could point at and say "He's been successful before, he deserves a bit more time to prove he can do it here."

Garrett does not have that pedigree. And its not like this is his 2nd or 3rd season, it's his 5th (and a half, technically). He'll almost certainly get a 6th as Jerry will blame Romo for this year. That's hardly changing coaches "like underwear", very few rookie head coaches get a 5 year leash.

And more importantly than that, after 5 1/2 seasons he is still making the same gaffes, conservative game plans and inability to coach to his talent and the game situation vs. stubbornly coaching to his system.

The student isn't learning and the grace period is over. Comparing him to guys who have coached other teams to Superbowls in some capacity is apples and oranges.

And in case you haven't been paying attention to Jerry, he is not the least bit interested in your expensive, "proven" coaches. That's the last thing he wants.

Garrett is as good as you'll get here. And all the buzz about Sean Payton....his defenses have been laughable his entire tenure, and he's ridden the coattails of Drew Brees just like Garrett has Romo.

 

[erod]

Matter of fact, I bet most good coaches had some early success you could point to. Example Pete Carroll, his first 5 years as a HC, he had 2 winning seasons, and 1.500 season. Then look at his record with the seahawks for the the first 5 seasons he had 3 winning seasons including a SB win.

Check out Carroll with the Jets.

 

[erod]

If Garrett didnt want Hardy or Gregory, then Im glad Jerry because the defense would be horrible.

No team wanted Hardy or Gregory apparently.

 

[jwitten82]

Check out Carroll with the Jets.

I did, he was fired after 1 season. Look at his first 5 seasons as a HC, it's better than Garretts.

 

[jwitten82]

Check out Carroll with the Jets.

Matter of fact, look at the first 5 seasons of any good to great HC, and almost all of them are better than Garretts. They proved themselves, Garrett hasnt.

 

[erod]

I did, he was fired after 1 season. Look at his first 5 seasons as a HC, it's better than Garretts.

He didn't inherit a roster of Keith Brookings, and he lived off of Dan Quinn's defense.

 

[jwitten82]

He didn't inherit a roster of Keith Brookings, and he lived off of Dan Quinn's defense.

Last I checked, Quinn isnt there and theyre still having a winning season so far

 

[jwitten82]

He didn't inherit a roster of Keith Brookings, and he lived off of Dan Quinn's defense.

And btw, most of their star players were drafted while Carroll was HC

 

[visionary]

Matter of fact, look at the first 5 seasons of any good to great HC, and almost all of them are better than Garretts. They proved themselves, Garrett hasnt.

Fact is Garrett had never been considered a success at ANY level of coaching

The only reason he was hired here was because jerry wanted a coach he could "train" and jerry knew he could control Garrett because Garrett has no back bone

 

[visionary]

It's going to go deeper than that.

They will fire 2 towel boys?

 

[erod]

Last I checked, Quinn isnt there and theyre still having a winning season so far

With Russell Wilson. Without him, they'd be 4-8 like us, if that.

 

[jwitten82]

With Russell Wilson. Without him, they'd be 4-8 like us, if that.

Garrett has had Romo in his prime, and besides last year could do no better than 8-8

 

[jwitten82]

Fact is Garrett had never been considered a success at ANY level of coaching

The only reason he was hired here was because jerry wanted a coach he could "train" and jerry knew he could control Garrett because Garrett has no back bone

Crazy thing is, when Wade was here he had only one losing season. Go look at Romo's numbers during Wade's time as HC and then compare them to Garretts. Romo has posted better numbers in Garretts time here, and we still only made the playoffs once. That's rediculous

 

[erod]

And btw, most of their star players were drafted while Carroll was HC

And Garrett was here when Dallas acquired Murray, Frederick, Martin, Smith, Collins, Beasley, Crawford, Lawrence, Hitchens, Williams, Wilcox.....

Garrett had to talk Jerry into getting rid of Gurode, Kosier, Davis, Barber, Austin, Spears, Brooking, James, etc.

He had to rebuild this into a young roster. Carroll got to start from scratch in a market with ZERO pressure.

 

[erod]

Garrett has had Romo in his prime, and besides last year could do no better than 8-8

Because of a decrepit offensive line and the worst defensive talent in Cowboys history. He had to rebuild the entire roster around Romo.

 

[erod]

Crazy thing is, when Wade was here he had only one losing season. Go look at Romo's numbers during Wade's time as HC and then compare them to Garretts. Romo has posted better numbers in Garretts time here, and we still only made the playoffs once. That's rediculous

Oh good Lord. You mean with Parcells' roster? Just like when Switzer got Jimmy's?

Wade drove that Ferrari into the ground.

 

[jwitten82]

And Garrett was here when Dallas acquired Murray, Frederick, Martin, Smith, Collins, Beasley, Crawford, Lawrence, Hitchens, Williams, Wilcox.....

Garrett had to talk Jerry into getting rid of Gurode, Kosier, Davis, Barber, Austin, Spears, Brooking, James, etc.

He had to rebuild this into a young roster. Carroll got to start from scratch in a market with ZERO pressure.

The seahawks had to rebuild also, before Carroll took over, he had a team that had a 9-23 record the past two seasons. Garrett took over a team that had a 16-11 record, and also had the most important piece to any team, a franchise qb. Garrett has done a horrible job rebuilding.
Garrett took over a better team and did way less

 

[wileedog]

And in case you haven't been paying attention to Jerry, he is not the least bit interested in your expensive, "proven" coaches. That's the last thing he wants.

Jerry being a bad GM doesn't make Garrett a better coach. Nor did I say I wanted an expensive 'proven' HC, there are plenty of promising coordinators out there ready for their first shot at coaching with a much, much better resume than Garrett had before being handed the keys to kingdom here.

And all the buzz about Sean Payton....his defenses have been laughable his entire tenure, and he's ridden the coattails of Drew Brees just like Garrett has Romo.

He rode them to a Lombardi. Plus Garrett had Ryan's awful defense before Payton did, so not really seeing the distinction there.

Also, keep in mind, the main reason that Garrett even HAS Romo's coattails to ride on is because Sean Payton found him and helped develop him. Garrett is the one who kept Weeden around for two seasons thinking he was a viable backup.