News: PFT: Jerry Jones: I thought we would have coached it up enough to win without Romo

[Apollo Creed]

Garrett has never had a losing season. This would be the first.

Look, I'm not trying to couch Garrett as the next Vince Lombardi. I'm saying he's as good as we can hope for as long as Jerry is here.

The proven transcendent coach isn't coming here.

Tony Romo has never had a losing season.

Garrett has just been along for the ride.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If you don't think bad play calling and coaching decisions have more than a minimal role in the current state of the team you are delusional.

Injuries create opportunities. "next man up" to quote Garrett.

This year created several opportunities for different people to step up and prove themselves.

-For Randle and McFadden is was a golden opportunity for both of them to prove they could be good backs in the NFL. They failed.
-For Weeden and Cassell it was an opportunity to prove that with weapons and a good Oline they could be legitimate NFL QB's. They failed.
-For the Oline it was an opportunity for them to prove that last years success was due in large part to their run blocking. An opportunity to prove they could open up monster holes for any RB to run behind. They failed.
-In was a golden opportunity for Williams to step up in Dez absence and be a #1 receiver. He failed miserably.
-With Romo going down it was a great opportunity for Garrett to prove that he could make a difference. That Romo wasnt the big reason for our success last year. That he was a good coach and could coach this team up despite some big injuries. He failed.
-It was an opportunity for the defense to step up and carry this team. They failed.

So many failures this year all over the place that its really hard to pin point where anything has gone right. Maybe Jones being a quality first round pick? Our young lineman winning a starting job? Can you think of anything else that wasn't a failure?

 

[Sydla]

Was it bad head coaching when Dez single-handedly gave away the Tampa game? Was it bad coaching when the defense gave away the Saints game in OT? Was it bad coaching when Cassel threw brain-dead picks against New York to lose that game? Was it bad coaching when the crappy Eagles offense scored all over Marinelli's defense and won in OT? Was it bad head coaching when Dallas gave away a late drive to lose to Seattle by one point?

It's not that plain and simple.

Bad luck and bad backup quarterback options doomed this season. The injuries to Dez and Romo, coupled with an unfortunate schedule during that time against high-quality quarterbacks, is the culprit. Playcalling and coaching decisions have played a minimal role.

Actually, yes, it's a sign of bad coaching. When a team makes mistakes after mistakes game to game, when a team folds late, when a team shows a lack of fundamentals and does so week to week to week.............. yeah, it's kind of a coaching issue. Teams that are well coached don't do what the Cowboys do week to week to week.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

What play do you call with Brandon Weeden? It hasn't been invented yet. And Matt Cassel is only marginally better.

OK, Let's eliminate the play calling from the argument. It's a coaching decision to even have either one of the players you mention on the roster. Neither one of these players in on this team without the approval of Jason Garrett.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Garrett has never had a losing season. This would be the first.

Look, I'm not trying to couch Garrett as the next Vince Lombardi. I'm saying he's as good as we can hope for as long as Jerry is here.

The proven transcendent coach isn't coming here.

I can argue that he's only had 1.5 winning seasons.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Injuries create opportunities. "next man up" to quote Garrett.

This year created several opportunities for different people to step up and prove themselves.

-For Randle and McFadden is was a golden opportunity for both of them to prove they could be good backs in the NFL. They failed.
-For Weeden and Cassell it was an opportunity to prove that with weapons and a good Oline they could be legitimate NFL QB's. They failed.
-For the Oline it was an opportunity for them to prove that last years success was due in large part to their run blocking. An opportunity to prove they could open up monster holes for any RB to run behind. They failed.
-In was a golden opportunity for Williams to step up in Dez absence and be a #1 receiver. He failed miserably.
-With Romo going down it was a great opportunity for Garrett to prove that he could make a difference. That Romo wasnt the big reason for our success last year. That he was a good coach and could coach this team up despite some big injuries. He failed.
-It was an opportunity for the defense to step up and carry this team. They failed.

So many failures this year all over the place that its really hard to pin point where anything has gone right. Maybe Jones being a quality first round pick? Our young lineman winning a starting job? Can you think of anything else that wasn't a failure?

Amy!!!!! You like me so much I'm starting to think it might be love.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Backup QB'S have had success this year. Except for the ones Dallas trots out there. I mean Matt Schaub, TJ Yates, Vick, Hasselbeck, Landry Jones. Starters like Brian Hoyer, Ryan Fiyzpatrick and Tyrod Taylor are winning games. There is a bigger problem than just Cassel. Losing Romo does not justify going 1-7. This team has holes but there is some talent and it's not playing up to its potential. Changes are needed with this offense.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Actually, yes, it's a sign of bad coaching. When a team makes mistakes after mistakes game to game, when a team folds late, when a team shows a lack of fundamentals and does so week to week to week.............. yeah, it's kind of a coaching issue. Teams that are well coached don't do what the Cowboys do week to week to week.

Is it the head coaches fault that he thought Weeden was good? Is it his fault that Cassell hasnt gotten up to speed quick enough or is ineffective in the offense?

ummmmmmmmm................yep!!!! Unless were going to say that Garrett doesnt do anything again. And in that case were back to poor coaching.

I seem to recall Cassell winning 8 games in a row for Bellicheck when Brady went down some 5 years ago. Nothing to do with coaching right?

 

[pjtoadie]

Yah but Sean Payton has Drew Brees. Plain and simple. None the less I would welcome him with open arms.

I know and I mentioned that. My point was everyone thought their offense would be horrible this year without Graham and a top notch WR. Brees has a lot to do with them still being good on offense obviously but Payton seems to get the best out of his offense was my point.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Dropped an easy third down pass that would have ended the game.

Then, Cassel puts a ball right on him to win it, and he doesn't even attempt to catch it.

he was pushed 2 yards out of the way, he had no chance

The dropped 3rd down pass was bad but still no guarantee that wins us the game

 

[erod]

OK, Let's eliminate the play calling from the argument. It's a coaching decision to even have either one of the players you mention on the roster. Neither one of these players in on this team without the approval of Jason Garrett.

Nope. That's a Jerry and Will McClay decision. (To be fair, very few backup QBs are worth a flip.)

Garrett DESPERATELY wanted to keep Demarco Murray, but he had no say in that regard. And I don't think Garrett wanted anything to do with Greg Hardy, nor do reports suggest he was high on drafting Randy Gregory. He has limited say.

Garrett had a lot of say when he took over, but after 12-4, it seemed like Jerry got anxious again and started dictating a bit.

Honestly, I think Jerry thinks a lot about his age. He wants to answer his critics asap, and it gets the best of him.

 

[erod]

Tony Romo has never had a losing season.

Garrett has just been along for the ride.

Same for Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, and a whole bunch of others.

 

[erod]

You pretty much just gave an example of how we lost every way possible. When you find ways to lose week after week in just about every different way, then absolutely the answer is yes. Or you could just use the eye test of what you see. Like last week watching Garrett bumble the end of game clock management.

Playcalling and coaching decisions have played a minimal role


Of course they played a minimal role. Because that supports your Garrett love agenda. Yet no doubt had we won 7 straight you would be applauding Garrett up and down for his incredible coaching job.

If you truly think that play calling and coaching decisions play a minimal role then what you are really saying is that Garrett is incapable of making a difference. Which in theory I have to agree with. A coach that either doesnt or cant make a difference with his team or affect the game in a positive way is exactly what you would call a bad coach. So in a round about way you nailed it.

It's not a Garrett love agenda.

I just tire of this same discussion had by every fan base across the league all the time. Fire the coach, trade the QB, fire the OC, fire the DC, fire the GM. And on and on it goes.

Notice that the teams that win KEEP their head coaches in place, and those that don't draft in the top 10 every year.

 

[wileedog]

Notice that the teams that win KEEP their head coaches in place, and those that don't draft in the top 10 every year.

Maybe because, you know, they're winning....

 

[texbumthelife]

Maybe because, you know, they're winning....

Right? Haha that was a puzzling statement to me, too.

 

[erod]

Maybe because, you know, they're winning....

I'm talking long term. Not every season is a winning season. But they stay the course, and it pays off. Look at Marvin Lewis, Mike Tomlin, Tom Coughlin, etc. Carolina was about to fire Ron Rivera already.

Meanwhile, other teams change coaches and QBs like underwear, and they go 5-11 on a routine basis like Dallas did in the early 2000s.

 

[Risen Star]

It's clear Jerry isn't happy.

I don't see Garrett getting fired, but there will be change.

LOL.

This is like Hitler pissed off over the state of Germany when the Russians marched in.

 

[Risen Star]

Yeah, they may fire the towel boy, maybe the DB coach. Yippee

Accountability is all I ask. Rearrange the deck chairs on this Titanic and I'm ready for another round of Go Cowboys!. Maybe even a Jerry! chant at camp.

 

[jwitten82]

Nope. That's a Jerry and Will McClay decision. (To be fair, very few backup QBs are worth a flip.)

Garrett DESPERATELY wanted to keep Demarco Murray, but he had no say in that regard. And I don't think Garrett wanted anything to do with Greg Hardy, nor do reports suggest he was high on drafting Randy Gregory. He has limited say.

Garrett had a lot of say when he took over, but after 12-4, it seemed like Jerry got anxious again and started dictating a bit.

Honestly, I think Jerry thinks a lot about his age. He wants to answer his critics asap, and it gets the best of him.

If Garrett didnt want Hardy or Gregory, then Im glad Jerry because the defense would be horrible.

 

[wileedog]

I'm talking long term. Not every season is a winning season. But they stay the course, and it pays off. Look at Marvin Lewis, Mike Tomlin, Tom Coughlin, etc. Carolina was about to fire Ron Rivera already.

Meanwhile, other teams change coaches and QBs like underwear, and they go 5-11 on a routine basis like Dallas did in the early 2000s.

All of those guys have accomplished something in the league. Something either as a coach or coordinator you could point at and say "He's been successful before, he deserves a bit more time to prove he can do it here."

Garrett does not have that pedigree. And its not like this is his 2nd or 3rd season, it's his 5th (and a half, technically). He'll almost certainly get a 6th as Jerry will blame Romo for this year. That's hardly changing coaches "like underwear", very few rookie head coaches get a 5 year leash.

And more importantly than that, after 5 1/2 seasons he is still making the same gaffes, conservative game plans and inability to coach to his talent and the game situation vs. stubbornly coaching to his system.

The student isn't learning and the grace period is over. Comparing him to guys who have coached other teams to Superbowls in some capacity is apples and oranges.