PFT: Matt Jones: "It was a bad mistake"

[djmajestik]

I couldn't disagree with you more.

I don't care about Matt Jones, but to say that only little things or innocent things are mistakes is absurd. A lapse in judgement is a mistake, just because you quantify differences between them based on social constructs doesn't change the definition of the word. A guy who did cocaine once(if that is true) very well could qualify as a guy who made a mistake.

I made french onion soup yesterday, and it was horrible because I made a mistake. The mechanisms involved in that mistake aren't any different than the ones in Matt's case, just what he did has a stigma to it and all I did was burn some onions.

See that Four posted before my post and hadn't read it yet. What he said......

 

[jimmy40]

Because I care about winning first and foremost. Really if you guys feel this way were saying these sorts of things about Irvin? It seems hypocritical to judge some players, but not the the great Cowboy players of the past?

In March 1996, Irvin was arrested on charges of cocaine possession at a hotel party celebrating his 30th birthday. After numerous court appearances amid a national media circus, which featured Irvin showing up to court in a full-length mink coat, he pled no contest to the charges and was sentenced to community service, ordered to pay a $10,000 fine, and put on 4-years probation. When drug-tested for illicit drugs, he tested negative. But the NFL suspended Irvin for the first five games of the 1996 season.
In Irvin's 1996 absence, the Cowboys struggled out of the gate and never recovered. Upon his return from suspension, Irvin tallied 962 receiving yards in only 11 games.

1998 alleged assault

In 1998 Irvin was alleged to be involved in a bizarre incident during training camp when he allegedly inflicted a two-inch cut in the neck of Dallas guard Everett McIver while some team members were getting haircuts.[5] Whether it was battery or accidental McIver did not press charges, and rumors swirled that Irvin brokered a six-figure settlement with McIver to drop the matter. Accounts of this incident after the alleged settlement became difficult to find or research in the local Dallas press.[6]

As long as you do something good for the Cowboys BEFORE everyone finds out your a scumbag it's all good. Just human nature I guess.

 

[DallasEast]

Don't get me started on the "mistake" thing, anyway...here we go...

The word mistake is so over used in today's society. Everytime someone gets caught, they call it a "mistake".

Some words of wisdom, in order for something to be a mistake, is must have one very important element.....good intentions. If it's for personal gain, it's not a mistake. Using drugs is not a mistake. Robbing a gas station is not a mistake. Getting into a bar fight is not a mistake. If it is not made with good intentions, it's not a mistake. Throwing an interception is a mistake. Burning supper on the stove is a mistake. Spilling a bucket of paint while painting your Grandmothers kitchen is a mistake.

I'm so sick of all this bs.

:clap2:

 

[dogunwo]

Didn't read. Matt Jones will not play for Dallas. Get over it IMO. Matt Jones = the opposite direction the Cowboys need to go. Great players that do coke seem to find their way to the Cowboys, and I'm tired of it.

You must be referring to someone else

 

[Stash]

If we carry five receivers, each one of them will have to occupy a niche.

Stanback, whether we like it or not, does. He plays special teams.

Austin and Hurd are supposedly locks. Austin is the speed/special teams, Hurd is the possession/special teamer. Both will be active in subpackages.

That fifth spot will likely go to someone who can do more things, but more than likely will be in streetclothes each week. If that is Ogletree, Manny Johnson, Stanback, whomever. They still need to be able to occupy some sort of role if they do get activated each week. I believe all would be punt/kick returners in a pinch if I am not mistaken.

Matt Jones isn't a special teams candidate. That is what is against the idea of signing him. Unless we have a spot where he would justify his existence on the roster (3rd or 4th receiver), I doubt we bother to bring a player with baggage like his on the roster as a fifth receiver. It just doesn't make sense.

I go back to last season, the team had 3 receivers contributing on special teams - Crayton, Hurd, and Austin, two who didn't - Owens and Roy Williams - and one who didn't do much of anything - Stanback.

If they signed Jones, they'd still have those two receivers who don't play special teams - in this case Williams and Jones.

 

[dogunwo]

I go back to last season, the team had 3 receivers contributing on special teams - Crayton, Hurd, and Austin, two who didn't - Owens and Roy Williams - and one who didn't do much of anything - Stanback.

If they signed Jones, they'd still have those two receivers who don't play special teams - in this case Williams and Jones.

I cant wait for him to be signed somewhere else so you can temporarily get off his sack

 

[Stash]

I cant wait for him to be signed somewhere else so you can temporarily get off his sack

Hey, nobody's making you read this thread - or my posts.

Sorry if I think signing him would be a good idea and he'd be a better alternative to the Infirmary Ward we've currently got.

 

[DFWJC]

He was finally beginning to learn the position and was finally developing a slightly better work ethic. Because of this and because of his lessons hopefully learned, I suspect he will end up having an "okay" career somewhere. Jax just needed to start fresh and get rid of the "potheads" Williams and Jones....who had reps for sleeping in meetings and not knowing the playbook. Jones was coming around in the end though....just too late for him in Jax.

 

[Stash]

Stick to fried okra.

As I got to the end of the thread I kept saying to myself, "how come no one is bringing up the tired argument about Michael Irvin?" Well, I wasn't disappointed. I had to stifle a yawn as usual.

I like that Matt Jones has owned up to his mistakes in this article. I agree with some of the feelings that he is a better option than some of our young guys. I still don't want him.

What message does it send to the team to get rid of a Terrell Owens, only to bring in a Matt Jones? I think a very bad one. Let's look at the balance sheet.

How many times has Owens been arrested?

Tell me about Owens reputation as a lazy player?

Which WR had more production and value to his team?

I would take Owens over Matt Jones any day of the week and twice as much on game days. So why isn't Owens here? Because the team chose to send a message to the players that divisions and character issues are not going to be tolerated.

'Divisions and character issues' is an interesting description of the offseason plan. But it seems to contain a lot of gray area.

If 'division' is the reason, that doesn't apply to Jones, he's never been labeled as divisive in any way.

'Character issues' is probably referring to off-field issues, and that I could see. Right up until the point where the team signed Gerald Sensabaugh.

Sign Matt Jones, what message does it send Hurd, Austin, and Stanback? We really don't have faith in you like we said we did, and we're going to bring in a lesser guy than the one we got rid of.

At this point, I couldn't really care what message I sent to guys who can't stay healthy enough to contribute. I'd be looking at what's in this team's best interests in terms of winning this season.

Jerry Jones has already stated we have no interest in Matt Jones. I hope he sticks to his guns on that.

And I fully expect Jones to stick to his word. And it wouldn't be the first mistake he's made. nor the last.

 

[stardeep]

I don't come into this thread with a Matt Jones bias, but a couple things in this article stand out to me:

[Cocaine] is something I hadn't really done in the past

Hadn't done? Or hadn't really done? Qualifiers rhymes with liars.

"I just had some bad advice from people who were close to me that were like, 'Hey, you can drink a couple of beers. It's not a big deal,'" Jones said.

This is not owning up to me. And this form of blaming is so overused. Bad advice, bad crowd etc. As a grown man I think he could easily figure out for himself the stipulations of his probation, or get confirmation from a probation officer regarding any advice received. It is foolhardy to put your career at further risk without getting that sort of advice from the horse's mouth.

When I listen closely, I'm not convinced. Progress? Maybe. Still problems? Probably.

 

[Alexander]

I go back to last season, the team had 3 receivers contributing on special teams - Crayton, Hurd, and Austin, two who didn't - Owens and Roy Williams - and one who didn't do much of anything - Stanback.

If they signed Jones, they'd still have those two receivers who don't play special teams - in this case Williams and Jones.

That was last season. There was only room for Williams because Hurd was on injured reserve.

With the renewed emphasis on special teams and the result of the draft, the roster numbers crunch will be even greater.

We will undoubtedly carry three QBs the entire season. We will carry an extra kicker with Buehler. The three young DBs might make us carry one more than we did last year. The same applies to the three linebackers we carried. Part of the draft strategy was to add lower cost players. I think we carry at least ten of the draftees, if not all of them.

Again, injuries will be what drives this. If we suffer some at WR, I am sure Jerry Jones will reconsider. If we lose a bunch at another position, it could open up a "luxury" roster spot. Until then, it simply is not feasible given Jones' limitations. He'd either need to be heavily involved or not at all. A supposedly lazy player would be an issue if they are bored on top of it all.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't come into this thread with a Matt Jones bias, but a couple things in this article stand out to me:

Hadn't done? Or hadn't really done? Qualifiers rhymes with liars.

This is not owning up to me. And this form of blaming is so overused. Bad advice, bad crowd etc. As a grown man I think he could easily figure out for himself the stipulations of his probation, or get confirmation from a probation officer regarding any advice received. It is foolhardy to put your career at further risk without getting that sort of advice from the horse's mouth.

When I listen closely, I'm not convinced. Progress? Maybe. Still problems? Probably.

I agree. Pointing the finger at friends and such giving you bad advice is not owning up to the fact that he made the decisions. If they're giving you that kind of advice then they're really not that good of friends to the guy.

 

[Stash]

That was last season. There was only room for Williams because Hurd was on injured reserve.

With the renewed emphasis on special teams and the result of the draft, the roster numbers crunch will be even greater.

I'd agree with this, and see it as a big reason why the team will carry only 5 receivers this year.

We will undoubtedly carry three QBs the entire season. We will carry an extra kicker with Buehler. The three young DBs might make us carry one more than we did last year. The same applies to the three linebackers we carried. Part of the draft strategy was to add lower cost players. I think we carry at least ten of the draftees, if not all of them.

Agreed. But I go back to this year's draft. The main 'plus' that everyone has been using with regard to this year's draft was how many great special teamers we added. Well, given that, I think the team can afford having two receivers that don't play special teams.

Again, injuries will be what drives this. If we suffer some at WR, I am sure Jerry Jones will reconsider. If we lose a bunch at another position, it could open up a "luxury" roster spot. Until then, it simply is not feasible given Jones' limitations. He'd either need to be heavily involved or not at all. A supposedly lazy player would be an issue if they are bored on top of it all.

I agree that any move - which I still feel is a longshot - would be predicated on one of the receivers getting injured - again.

But, personally, given Jones' production last year, I don't think the 'lazy' lable applies anymore. I think his recent issues were an eye-opener.

 

[Hostile]

'Divisions and character issues' is an interesting description of the offseason plan. But it seems to contain a lot of gray area.

If 'division' is the reason, that doesn't apply to Jones, he's never been labeled as divisive in any way.

'Character issues' is probably referring to off-field issues, and that I could see. Right up until the point where the team signed Gerald Sensabaugh.



At this point, I couldn't really care what message I sent to guys who can't stay healthy enough to contribute. I'd be looking at what's in this team's best interests in terms of winning this season.




And I fully expect Jones to stick to his word. And it wouldn't be the first mistake he's made. nor the last.

How did I know Gerald Sensabaugh's name would surface?

:wink2:

Let me bottom line something for you Stash. That was not Matt Jones' first experience with cocaine. You don't know how to use a credit card to cut up cocaine the very first time you do it. No matter how many times you've seen it done in movies. A person's first time they are hesitant and they let others do it. A first timer doesn't know how much is too much, how fine to cut it, or anything. It isn't until you are hooked and crave it that you will do it yourself.

So his claims that it was a one time lapse in judgment ring pretty hollow to me. Putting that aside as a one time mistake is not the truth. It wasn't his first time doing coke. It was the first time he got caught.

Now if he has put that aside I applaud him. I really do. In truth I am less concerned about the cocaine than I am that he is lazy. I don't want lazy anywhere near this football team.

That is a character issue I'd rather not adopt. Is it a mistake? Possibly. I don't think anyone can give me a guarantee it is. Not even you.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Not sure I follow ?

he's saying Matt Jones should be on speed-dial in case Austin and/or Hurd pull up lame again

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I understand not wanting Matt Jones, but unless he has a history of dividing locker rooms and/or convincing teammates that the OC and quarterback aren't helping them enough, he's not at all comparable to Terrell Owens.

 

[Wrangler87]

I couldn't disagree with you more.

I don't care about Matt Jones, but to say that only little things or innocent things are mistakes is absurd. A lapse in judgement is a mistake, just because you quantify differences between them based on social constructs doesn't change the definition of the word. A guy who did cocaine once(if that is true) very well could qualify as a guy who made a mistake.

I made french onion soup yesterday, and it was horrible because I made a mistake. The mechanisms involved in that mistake aren't any different than the ones in Matt's case, just what he did has a stigma to it and all I did was burn some onions.

He took drugs because he wanted to get high. How is that a mistake? Don't give me that "lapse in judgement" bs. He wanted to get high, so he took drugs.

 

[Stash]

How did I know Gerald Sensabaugh's name would surface?

Well, Sensabaugh is the best example of inconsistancy with regard to the new 'policy'.

Let me bottom line something for you Stash. That was not Matt Jones' first experience with cocaine. You don't know how to use a credit card to cut up cocaine the very first time you do it. No matter how many times you've seen it done in movies. A person's first time they are hesitant and they let others do it. A first timer doesn't know how much is too much, how fine to cut it, or anything. It isn't until you are hooked and crave it that you will do it yourself.

So his claims that it was a one time lapse in judgment ring pretty hollow to me. Putting that aside as a one time mistake is not the truth. It wasn't his first time doing coke. It was the first time he got caught.

You may be right, but to the best of my knowledge, there is no prior evidence that he did. As far as I know, he did not have any failed drug tests from the league.

Now if he has put that aside I applaud him. I really do. In truth I am less concerned about the cocaine than I am that he is lazy. I don't want lazy anywhere near this football team.

That is a character issue I'd rather not adopt. Is it a mistake? Possibly. I don't think anyone can give me a guarantee it is. Not even you.

Again, I think prior to his arrest, he was lazy. He was an arrogant, immature athlete who was blessed with great athletic ability and never worked at it, taking it all for granted. But I think the arrest last season was his wake-up call. And I think his performance last season supports this. He went from a 'sure-cut' bust to the team's leading receiver.

 

[Stash]

he's saying Matt Jones should be on speed-dial in case Austin and/or Hurd pull up lame again

And I'd agree with that.

My concern is Austin or Hurd staying healthy until just after Jones' phone had already run with a call from another team.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You may be right, but to the best of my knowledge, there is no prior evidence that he did. As far as I know, he did not have any failed drug tests from the league.

you don't get suspended for your 1st time failing a drug test