PFT: Matt Jones: "It was a bad mistake"

[Stash]

you don't get suspended for your 1st time failing a drug test

Really?

I thought you did.

Is it the same for all drugs?

I ask because of the current StarCaps case.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Really?

I thought you did.

Is it the same for all drugs?

I ask because of the current StarCaps case.

really, really

your 1st fail, and you get put in a program, and the testing is stepped up

 

[Stash]

really, really

your 1st fail, and you get put in a program, and the testing is stepped up

So the starcaps guys are multiple offenders?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So the starcaps guys are multiple offenders?

who are they?

 

[DFWJC]

Well, Sensabaugh is the best example of inconsistancy with regard to the new 'policy'.

I'm not one that has huge issue with Jones. I think he is now ready to roll. I aslo don't have an issue one way or the other with him being on the Cowboys roster...I'm fine either way. BTW, Jones did have issues with pot long before the coke incident.

I disagree regarding Sensabaugh. His stuff was pretty minor.

 

[Stash]

who are they?

Mainly Pat and Kevin Williams, but I think there were a few others.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Mainly Pat and Kevin Williams, but I think there were a few others.

I'm not sure how banned substances work, but I believe they successfully won their appeals

 

[Stash]

I'm not one that has huge issue with Jones. I think he is now ready to roll. I aslo don't have an issue one way or the other with him being on the Cowboys roster...I'm fine either way. BTW, Jones did have issues with pot long before the coke incident.

I disagree regarding Sensabaugh. His stuff was pretty minor.

I agree. Sensabaugh's issues were minor compared to Jones. I'm just pointing it out as an example of the team signing a player with off-field issues.

And I'd venture to say that - like Jones - Sensabaugh's off-field stuff was enough for the Jaguars to no longer want him around (given their slew of recent player issues).

 

[Chocolate Lab]

you don't get suspended for your 1st time failing a drug test

I don't think he was suspended only for the drugs, though. I think he was suspended because of the criminal conviction and resulting bad publicity.

 

[Stash]

I don't think he was suspended only for the drugs, though. I think he was suspended because of the criminal conviction and resulting bad publicity.

You're right.

He was suspended because of the legal part of it.

But I think because of what he was caught doing, he was automatically entered into the league's substance-abuse program.

And I'm thinking that if he had previously failed tests, his suspension would have been more severe.

 

[THUMPER]

Don't get me started on the "mistake" thing, anyway...here we go...

The word mistake is so over used in today's society. Everytime someone gets caught, they call it a "mistake".

Some words of wisdom, in order for something to be a mistake, is must have one very important element.....good intentions. If it's for personal gain, it's not a mistake. Using drugs is not a mistake. Robbing a gas station is not a mistake. Getting into a bar fight is not a mistake. If it is not made with good intentions, it's not a mistake. Throwing an interception is a mistake. Burning supper on the stove is a mistake. Spilling a bucket of paint while painting your Grandmothers kitchen is a mistake.

I'm so sick of all this bs.

I totally agree, I hate how people use that word as if what they did was entirely by accident. "I didn't mean to cut up coke in my car, it just kinda happened somehow."

The "mistake" was in getting caught, that's really the only mistake he is taking responsibility for. You did wrong by CHOICE fool! You thought you could get away with it and that was your mistake.
:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[THUMPER]

I couldn't disagree with you more.

I don't care about Matt Jones, but to say that only little things or innocent things are mistakes is absurd. A lapse in judgement is a mistake, just because you quantify differences between them based on social constructs doesn't change the definition of the word. A guy who did cocaine once(if that is true) very well could qualify as a guy who made a mistake.

I made french onion soup yesterday, and it was horrible because I made a mistake. The mechanisms involved in that mistake aren't any different than the ones in Matt's case, just what he did has a stigma to it and all I did was burn some onions.

When you INTENTIONALLY do something that you KNOW is wrong/illegal then it is NOT a mistake. :bang2:

 

[jazzcat22]

Don't get me started on the "mistake" thing, anyway...here we go...

The word mistake is so over used in today's society. Everytime someone gets caught, they call it a "mistake".

Some words of wisdom, in order for something to be a mistake, is must have one very important element.....good intentions. If it's for personal gain, it's not a mistake. Using drugs is not a mistake. Robbing a gas station is not a mistake. Getting into a bar fight is not a mistake. If it is not made with good intentions, it's not a mistake. Throwing an interception is a mistake. Burning supper on the stove is a mistake. Spilling a bucket of paint while painting your Grandmothers kitchen is a mistake.

I'm so sick of all this bs.

And you are so perfect, you can cast no stones?

 

[tyke1doe]

Don't get me started on the "mistake" thing, anyway...here we go...

The word mistake is so over used in today's society. Everytime someone gets caught, they call it a "mistake".

Some words of wisdom, in order for something to be a mistake, is must have one very important element.....good intentions. If it's for personal gain, it's not a mistake. Using drugs is not a mistake. Robbing a gas station is not a mistake. Getting into a bar fight is not a mistake. If it is not made with good intentions, it's not a mistake. Throwing an interception is a mistake. Burning supper on the stove is a mistake. Spilling a bucket of paint while painting your Grandmothers kitchen is a mistake.

I'm so sick of all this bs.

Saying something is a mistake removes accountability.

 

[tyke1doe]

And you are so perfect, you can cast no stones?

Please don't miss his point. Jones didn't make a mistake. He made a poor decision, he did wrong, but he didn't make a mistake.

And he has nothing to do with casting stones. It has to do with a man taking responsibility for his actions and calling it what it is, not something he just fell into and didn't know why or how he got there.

The "so you think you're perfect" argument is so old it should have been abandoned with the invention of the wheel.

 

[Chief]

I don't come into this thread with a Matt Jones bias, but a couple things in this article stand out to me:

Hadn't done? Or hadn't really done? Qualifiers rhymes with liars.

This is not owning up to me. And this form of blaming is so overused. Bad advice, bad crowd etc. As a grown man I think he could easily figure out for himself the stipulations of his probation, or get confirmation from a probation officer regarding any advice received. It is foolhardy to put your career at further risk without getting that sort of advice from the horse's mouth.

When I listen closely, I'm not convinced. Progress? Maybe. Still problems? Probably.

Exactly.

 

[Stash]

Please don't miss his point. Jones didn't make a mistake. He made a poor decision, he did wrong, but he didn't make a mistake.

And he has nothing to do with casting stones. It has to do with a man taking responsibility for his actions and calling it what it is, not something he just fell into and didn't know why or how he got there.

The "so you think you're perfect" argument is so old it should have been abandoned with the invention of the wheel.

I don't think people are missing any point.

A poor decision is a mistake.

When someone says they made a mistake, they mean they made a poor decision and would do it differently if they had it to do over.

Calling it a mistake is simply using different wording. Either way, the guilty party is expressing remorse.

Now whether someone believes them or forgives them is a different story...

 

[tunahelper]

Stick to fried okra.

As I got to the end of the thread I kept saying to myself, "how come no one is bringing up the tired argument about Michael Irvin?" Well, I wasn't disappointed. I had to stifle a yawn as usual.

I like that Matt Jones has owned up to his mistakes in this article. I agree with some of the feelings that he is a better option than some of our young guys. I still don't want him.

What message does it send to the team to get rid of a Terrell Owens, only to bring in a Matt Jones? I think a very bad one. Let's look at the balance sheet.

How many times has Owens been arrested?

Tell me about Owens reputation as a lazy player?

Which WR had more production and value to his team?

I would take Owens over Matt Jones any day of the week and twice as much on game days. So why isn't Owens here? Because the team chose to send a message to the players that divisions and character issues are not going to be tolerated.

Sign Matt Jones, what message does it send Hurd, Austin, and Stanback? We really don't have faith in you like we said we did, and we're going to bring in a lesser guy than the one we got rid of.

I can't do that to this team.

Jerry Jones has already stated we have no interest in Matt Jones. I hope he sticks to his guns on that.

What message did Owens release send? Most players said TO wasnt the problem. This isnt Oprah where we need to be in touch with our inner feelings, its football and sometimes these guys create problems. The Irvin cocaine is relevant, since the same ones who condemn Matt Jones give Irvin a pass. Why? Because Irvin produces, so the cocaine and other problems were ok. Sorry I didnt draw it a Madden formation to keep your attention.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't think people are missing any point.

A poor decision is a mistake.

When someone says they made a mistake, they mean they made a poor decision and would do it differently if they had it to do over.

Calling it a mistake is simply using different wording. Either way, the guilty party is expressing remorse.

Now whether someone believes them or forgives them is a different story...

The connotation given to the word "mistake," especially when used in this context, is one who makes a blunder. It generally isn't used as a term to imply one taking responsibility for one's actions - which, IMO, is the reason why it's used so much.

That's why you see the harsh reaction to the word used. People are tired of others not taking responsibility for their own decisions or making it seem as if they "stumbled" into a situation not knowing what they were doing.

Poor choice is a stronger term than mistake. Poor decision is a stronger term than mistake.

Oh, and "showing remorse" and "taking responsibility for one's actions/choices" are two different things. I think the latter is the point at issue here.

 

[joseephuss]

The connotation given to the word "mistake," especially when used in this context, is one who makes a blunder. It generally isn't used as a term to imply one taking responsibility for one's actions - which, IMO, is the reason why it's used so much.

That's why you see the harsh reaction to the word used. People are tired of others not taking responsibility for their own decisions or making it seem as if they "stumbled" into a situation not knowing what they were doing.

Poor choice is a stronger term than mistake. Poor decision is a stronger term than mistake.

Oh, and "showing remorse" and "taking responsibility for one's actions/choices" are two different things. I think the latter is the point at issue here.

Wouldn't it be "eventually taking responsibility of one's actions/choices" in Jones' case? It has been almost a year since the incident and he didn't initially take responsibility. He is now because he has to try and look his best to get signed by some team.

Aside from all of that stuff I still don't see the big plus about this guy. He had his best year as a pro last season because he had 65 receptions in 12 games. Well he also only averaged 11.7 yards per catch and scored only 2 TDs. I am not that impressed with the guy as a receiver no matter his one of a kind skill set of size and speed.