PFT: Matt Jones: "It was a bad mistake"

[Four]

When you INTENTIONALLY do something that you KNOW is wrong/illegal then it is NOT a mistake. :bang2:

sure it is, I don't buy that momentary lapses in judgement aren't mistakes.

if you decide to speed to work because you are late and you get a ticket for it, you still made a mistake by speeding.

there is no difference and no way it's called something other than a mistake.

the only reason people try to pretend there is a difference is because it involved drug use.

 

[THUMPER]

sure it is, I don't buy that momentary lapses in judgement aren't mistakes.

if you decide to speed to work because you are late and you get a ticket for it, you still made a mistake by speeding.

there is no difference and no way it's called something other than a mistake.

the only reason people try to pretend there is a difference is because it involved drug use.

Wow dude, just... wow.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Really?

I thought you did.

Is it the same for all drugs?

I ask because of the current StarCaps case.

Steroids violation is an automatic 4 game suspension. Starcaps are fighting a steroid violation, I believe.

The others fall under the regular substance abuse policy. which is 1) go into program, 2) 4-gm suspension.

 

[Four]

Wow dude, just... wow.

explain the difference rather than feigning shock?

if I decide to walk my dog while my dinner is cooking and I burn my dinner I made a mistake, I deliberately did it, and it's still a mistake.

This is a ridiculous position to even have to defend.

 

[tyke1doe]

sure it is, I don't buy that momentary lapses in judgement aren't mistakes.

if you decide to speed to work because you are late and you get a ticket for it, you still made a mistake by speeding.

there is no difference and no way it's called something other than a mistake.

the only reason people try to pretend there is a difference is because it involved drug use.

I think the problem is you're taking a word and divorcing it from its connotation.

If you do that, then spilling a drink becomes a mistake on similar par with taking drugs.

But anyone with common sense knows that both are not the same. That's what's at issue here.

Some posters don't want the term "mistake" to imply Jones didn't know what he was doing and didn't intentionally engage in this action. He did. That why they/we have trouble with the term "mistake."

Beyond that, even if I bought the speeding analogy, what emergency could explain Jones' drug use to where we would regard it as a "mistake"?

 

[Four]

I think the problem is you're taking a word and divorcing it from its connotation.

If you do that, then spilling a drink becomes a mistake on similar par with taking drugs.

But anyone with common sense knows that both are not the same. That's what's at issue here.

Some posters don't want the term "mistake" to imply Jones didn't know what he was doing and didn't intentionally engage in this action. He did. That why they/we have trouble with the term "mistake."

Beyond that, even if I bought the speeding analogy, what emergency could explain Jones' drug use to where we would regard it as a "mistake"?

I don't think there is a difference depending solely on the legality of the action, a mistake is a mistake and the laws have nothing to do with a difference being present.

I honestly don't get the confusion.

it's not about emergency, the only thing that matters is a bad decision was made leading to negative consequences, otherwise known as a mistake.

 

[tyke1doe]

if I decide to walk my dog while my dinner is cooking and I burn my dinner I made a mistake, I deliberately did it, and it's still a mistake.

Uh, you deliberately walked your dog. You didn't deliberately burn your dinner, otherwise you wouldn't have done it.

If Jones had taken drugs and during a drug binge he accidentally ran over a stop sign, that resulting action would have been a mistake because it's not something he intended to do. Same as your dog/dinner analogy.
But the action of taking drugs (like your action of walking your dog while cooking dinner) was not a mistake because he intentionally did it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think people are missing any point.

A poor decision is a mistake.

When someone says they made a mistake, they mean they made a poor decision and would do it differently if they had it to do over.

Calling it a mistake is simply using different wording. Either way, the guilty party is expressing remorse.

Now whether someone believes them or forgives them is a different story...

to me, making a mistake is going into something, and not knowing the exact outcome, like someone mentioned preparing a meal, you don't know if it's going to come out right, or if you're going to accidently leave the oven on and blow up the house

Matt Jones knew that getting into cocaine was breaking the law, and doing harm to his body

that isn't a mistake, that's just ignorance

 

[Four]

Uh, you deliberately walked your dog. You didn't deliberately burn your dinner, otherwise you wouldn't have done it.

If Jones had taken drugs and during a drug binge he accidentally ran over a stop sign, that resulting action would have been a mistake because it's not something he intended to do. Same as your dog/dinner analogy.
But the action of taking drugs (like your action of walking your dog while cooking dinner) was not a mistake because he intentionally did it.

lol, you guys are splitting hairs.

he made a mistake by taking drugs, I made a mistake by walking my dog at that moment.

same thing.

And no I am not comparing walking my dog to drug use, but there is no quantifiable reason that when legality is taken out of the equation that they are not equally mistakes.

the fact that he did drugs and it was illegal and that he decided to do it doesn't in any way negate that it is a mistake.

 

[Four]

to me, making a mistake is going into something, and not knowing the exact outcome, like someone mentioned preparing a meal, you don't know if it's going to come out right, or if you're going to accidently leave the oven on and blow up the house

Matt Jones knew that getting into cocaine was breaking the law, and doing harm to his body

that isn't a mistake, that's just ignorance

your face is a mistake.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't think there is a difference depending solely on the legality of the action, a mistake is a mistake and the laws have nothing to do with a difference being present.

We're not talking about the legality of the action. And my guess is attorneys may tell their clients to use less "condemning" terms because situations could go to court.

it's not about emergency, the only thing that matters is a bad decision was made leading to negative consequences, otherwise known as an irresponsible choice or poor decision

I'm sure you wouldn't be opposed to those words being used seeing how, in your opinion, whether connotation or literally, they mean the same thing, correct?

 

[tyke1doe]

lol, you guys are splitting hairs.

he made a mistake by taking drugs, I made a mistake by walking my dog at that moment.

same thing.

And no I am not comparing walking my dog to drug use, but there is no quantifiable reason that when legality is taken out of the equation that they are not equally mistakes.

the fact that he did drugs and it was illegal and that he decided to do it doesn't in any way negate that it is a mistake.

It's not splitting hairs. It's understanding language and using the most appropriate language.

If language and word use aren't important, why does the dictionary include all those words and why do we have concepts like connotation and denotation?

 

[Four]

We're not talking about the legality of the action. And my guess is attorneys may tell their clients to use less "condemning" terms because situations could go to court.



I'm sure you wouldn't be opposed to those words being used seeing how, in your opinion, whether connotation or literally, they mean the same thing, correct?

explain the difference to me

willingly doing something that blows up in your face is still a mistake, if it isn't then tell me the difference?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

sure it is, I don't buy that momentary lapses in judgement aren't mistakes.

if you decide to speed to work because you are late and you get a ticket for it, you still made a mistake by speeding.

there is no difference and no way it's called something other than a mistake.

the only reason people try to pretend there is a difference is because it involved drug use.

the difference is is that you know if a police officer caught you speeding, you would be in trouble

and that possibly you could get into a wreck and harm other people

just like Matt knowing that if he got caught with blow, he's in some trouble

and that he could possibly do irreparable damage to his body

 

[joseephuss]

Steroids violation is an automatic 4 game suspension. Starcaps are fighting a steroid violation, I believe.

The others fall under the regular substance abuse policy. which is 1) go into program, 2) 4-gm suspension.

You left out a step. They get hit with a fine for their 2nd offense. It is the 3rd offense that results in suspensions.

 

[Four]

Main Entry: mistake
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: error, misunderstanding
Synonyms: aberration, blooper, blunder, boo-boo, bungle, confusion, delusion, erratum, false move, false step, fault, faux pas, flub, fluff, gaffe, illusion, inaccuracy, inadvertence, lapse, misapplication, misapprehension, miscalculation, misconception, misinterpretation, misjudgment, misprint, misstatement, misstep, muddle, neglect, omission, overestimation, oversight, slight, slip, slip of tongue, slipup, snafu, solecism, trip*, typographical error, underestimation

 

[Four]

the difference is is that you knew if a police officer caught you speeding, you would be in trouble

and that possibly you could get into a wreck and harm other people

just like Matt knowing that if he got caught with blow, he's in some trouble

and that he could possibly do irreparable damage to his body

which where I am from is called making a mistake, where you from?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Main Entry: mistake
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: error, misunderstanding
Synonyms: aberration, blooper, blunder, boo-boo, bungle, confusion, delusion, erratum, false move, false step, fault, faux pas, flub, fluff, gaffe, illusion, inaccuracy, inadvertence, lapse, misapplication, misapprehension, miscalculation, misconception, misinterpretation, misjudgment, misprint, misstatement, misstep, muddle, neglect, omission, overestimation, oversight, slight, slip, slip of tongue, slipup, snafu, solecism, trip*, typographical error, underestimation

lol

you're only helping our point of view

there was no blooper, no faux pas, no illusion, no miscalculation, no oversight

 

[DallasEast]

sure it is, I don't buy that momentary lapses in judgement aren't mistakes.

if you decide to speed to work because you are late and you get a ticket for it, you still made a mistake by speeding.

there is no difference and no way it's called something other than a mistake.

the only reason people try to pretend there is a difference is because it involved drug use.

Intentional speeding occurs when one purposefully exceeds the speed limit. That is not a mistake.

Accidental speeding happens when one isn't consciously attempting to exceed the speed limit. That is a mistake.

Since accidental speeding is a mistake, the question which should be posed for this analogy is, "Did Matt Jones subconsciously cut up an illegal controlled substance; with an addict's preferred instrument (namely a credit card); within the confines of a car; and inhaled it through his nostrils?"



There is reaching and then there is this.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

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–noun 1.an act or instance of judging.2.the ability to judge, MAKE A DECISION, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; GOOD SENSE; DISCRETION: a man of sound judgment. 3.the demonstration or exercise of such ability or capacity: The major was decorated for the judgment he showed under fire. 4.the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence. 5.the opinion formed: He regretted his hasty judgment. 6.Law. a.a judicial decision given by a judge or court.b.the obligation, esp. a debt, arising from a judicial decision.c.the certificate embodying such a decision and issued against the obligor, esp. a debtor.7.a misfortune regarded as inflicted by divine sentence, as for sin.8.(usually initial capital letter

) Also called Last Judgment, Final Judgment. the final trial of all people, both the living and dead, at the end of the world.

Also, especially British, judgement.

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Synonyms:
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this definition would be more applicable since Matt made a decision that didn't apply wisdom, intelligence or prudence