PFT: NFL declines to release Elliott investigative report, transcript of hearing

[jwooten15]

Zeke's case will set the precedent moving forward. It will also be the end of Roger.

America will rejoice if you are right!

 

[Sydla]

The league is hunkering down. They know they are about to get a battle.

 

[tyke1doe]

So? One thing about courts is what happens in the past can be overturned NOW. Brady had a couple of things against him that Zek at this point does not

Brady by the phone thing and other incidents had show he was NOT cooperative. The NFL admits Zeke was.

Brady was caught lying about not knowing the ball guys names, etc. Claiming he had little contact with them which was shown false

I don't think the court took that into consideration. In general, the courts are very reluctant to get involved in private business matters governed by their own rules and regulations.

I know many of us are hoping, but after further research, I don't see Zeke fairing any better than Brady did.

 

[diefree666]

The league is not obligated to show the public information about its investigation. The NFL is a private organization in terms of its governance, policies and rules. It is not under the Freedom of Information Act.

I do suspect that Elliott's team will release ALL the information it has to shame the NFL and Goodell.

The League has ACTED as if they had legal standing. They have come to a verdict and convicted him with what looks to be tainted evidence at best.
The labled him a woman beater after the justice system refused to prosecute.

With all the federal laws and regulations a smart lawyer should be able to find the NFL did something wrong here.

 

[Denim Chicken]

One good thing is Goodell now has two heavy hitters against him, Kraft and Jerry. I don't know if he'll ever be replaced but he's less popular with the owners today than he's ever been.

If the ratings fall again this year, I believe that will be the catalyst for his removal.

 

[gimmesix]

you are missing the bigger picture. By refusing to show Zeke all the evidence against him as has been shown; by refusing to show the public all evidence then the league has basically convicted Zeke without due process.

Zeke I believe can file for slander/libel. Since the NFL is NOT the press/media they do NOT have the same 1st Amendment protection

It's not slander or libel unless he can show that it is false. The same problem exists for defamation of character. The information has to be "demonstrably and objectively false."

I do not know if there's any way that he can prove that it is false since the NFL has cast him as guilty. I don't think he could have been proven guilty in court based on everything that I've read, but now that the NFL has cast him as guilty, he has to show that he's innocent and the NFL purposely lied about it.

 

[jwooten15]

For as popular as the NFL still is today - could you imagine how much more popular it would be if Tagliabue were still commissioner?

Back when the NFL didn't cave into PC pressure and you had to ACTUALLY do something bad to get suspended.

 

[diefree666]

I don't think the court took that into consideration. In general, the courts are very reluctant to get involved in private business matters governed by their own rules and regulations.

I know many of us are hoping, but after further research, I don't see Zeke fairing any better than Brady did.

But this is NOT a private business matter when you come down to it. You seem to think that a private business can do whatever it wants to and the courts have shown otherwise.

 

[diefree666]

It's not slander or libel unless he can show that it is false. The same problem exists for defamation of character. The information has to be "demonstrably and objectively false."

I do not know if there's any way that he can prove that it is false since the NFL has cast him as guilty. I don't think he could have been proven guilty in court based on everything that I've read, but now that the NFL has cast him as guilty, he has to show that he's innocent and the NFL purposely lied about it.

once again you need to understand that this is NOT a first amendment situation since the NFL is NOT press/media. The bar is MUCH lower.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

No I don't. That's what makes the suspension complete BS

Exactly, If a guy robs a bank and he is not charged with robbing the bank because of lack of evidence, and now someone comes along and says they have prove that the guy robbed a bank, wouldn't the authorities reopen the case and charge the guy with robbing the bank if this "Evidence" was legit?

It really makes you wonder.

 

[tyke1doe]

More than shame the NFL but force them to justify their action

But the NFL doesn't have to justify its action. Once the season starts, attention will be back on football.

 

[gimmesix]

this is a fight in PR as well as otherwise; and this looks real bad for the NFL there.

It might be a PR fight, but the NFL cannot take its findings public beyond what it has released. It will not surprise me, though, if the findings leak out.

 

[diefree666]

Exactly, If a guy robs a bank and he is not charged with robbing the bank because of lack of evidence, and now someone comes along and says they have prove that the guy robbed a bank, wouldn't the authorities reopen the case and charge the guy with robbing the bank if this "Evidence" was legit?

It really makes you wonder.

The NFL WANTED to find Zeke guilty and so they did.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think the court took that into consideration. In general, the courts are very reluctant to get involved in private business matters governed by their own rules and regulations.

I know many of us are hoping, but after further research, I don't see Zeke fairing any better than Brady did.

I don't know about that Brady destroyed evidence (his phone). In Zeke case all they have are pictures which I have seen and this womans word which she has already shown herself as a liar. The bruises she has could have easily came from the altercation she had with another woman which there is clear cut evidence of that event and other bruises which any person can get. Zeke has handed over all the league has asked, how the league has come to this conclusion is baffling

 

[mugsybows]

I live in an NFL city that is not Dallas, and as far as the court of public opinion goes, I think I have a good feel for what non-Cowboys fans are on this situation based on debates I have had with friends and colleagues. AT least in Green Bay anyways. Almost every person that I have had discussions with on the Zeke situation has been siding with the NFL and they feel he is guilty and deserves the suspension. This can be expected since the info they are receiving is mostly from the side of the alleged victim via the NFL. That being said, if the rest of the non-Cowboy country is experiencing what I am experiencing, it is going to be very hard for the NFL to back-off this suspension. Guilty or not, if the NFL reduces or eliminates the suspension at this point, I feel they are going to be getting some significant backlash from the public.

As a Cowboys fan, I don't like it at all.

This could get even uglier yet.

you're right! in the court of public opinion he is guilty. i live in california and i had to explain to everyone that wanted to bring it up with me that in fact he was exonerated by the police. they had no clue of that. they thought he beat her and was soon to be arrested. Jerry and the Lawyers should really go for the slander angle because in the court of public opinion, which nowadays seems like the only court that matters, he is a woman beater.

 

[diefree666]

It might be a PR fight, but the NFL cannot take its findings public beyond what it has released. It will not surprise me, though, if the findings leak out.

That is BS. There is nothing stopping them except the fact that they know if they did the case would look as weak as it is.

AND if they try and claim that the information was only released to them with the understanding that it never becomes public then they are in trouble because a court can make them show it to the court.

SO what private thing could they have been told they cannot release?

 

[The Quest for Six]

So? One thing about courts is what happens in the past can be overturned NOW. Brady had a couple of things against him that Zek at this point does not

Brady by the phone thing and other incidents had show he was NOT cooperative. The NFL admits Zeke was.

Brady was caught lying about not knowing the ball guys names, etc. Claiming he had little contact with them which was shown false

The Federal court ruled the Goodell has the authority to suspend players based on code of conduct detrimental to the league... so Goodell is on legal standing to suspend players........four independent individuals looked at all the evidence and concluded the preponderance of evidence in their opinion concluded Zeke was responsible for her injuries......they sent that report to Goodell who then suspended him.....

 

[Doomsday101]

But the NFL doesn't have to justify its action. Once the season starts, attention will be back on football.

They do not have to but you can put them in a situation where they will feel the pressure to do so. I think Jerry is very capable of turning up the heat and forcing the leagues hand.

 

[yimyammer]

I live in an NFL city that is not Dallas, and as far as the court of public opinion goes, I think I have a good feel for what non-Cowboys fans are on this situation based on debates I have had with friends and colleagues. AT least in Green Bay anyways. Almost every person that I have had discussions with on the Zeke situation has been siding with the NFL and they feel he is guilty and deserves the suspension. This can be expected since the info they are receiving is mostly from the side of the alleged victim via the NFL. That being said, if the rest of the non-Cowboy country is experiencing what I am experiencing, it is going to be very hard for the NFL to back-off this suspension. Guilty or not, if the NFL reduces or eliminates the suspension at this point, I feel they are going to be getting some significant backlash from the public.

As a Cowboys fan, I don't like it at all.

This could get even uglier yet.

How wonderful, lets dole out "justice" based on the whims of public opinion, no more need for the legal system, courts, facts, etc, lets just let Twitter decide all matters of importance

 

[canters]

Fuels the thought that the fix was in and this 6 weeks will stick. Ain't no rich white guy ( JJ ) going to influence the process here.