News: PFT: Nick Sirianni: Know from my gut hiring Kellen Moore was best thing for us

[mldardy]

Sirianni lucky he's still got a job in 2024

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

Yes....not sure how you would expect anything different.

What....you want me to cheer on philly too?

You and your ilk think that anyone critical of the Cowboys isn't a fan. Tiresome.

 

[Diehardblues]

Pizza Boy could still become a HC someday.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You and your ilk think that anyone critical of the Cowboys isn't a fan. Tiresome.

I think you might have me mixed up with someone else? Or you wrote that wrong?

I like fans that are critical!

 

[Cowboys5217]

Pizza Boy could still become a HC someday.

Only if Jerry hires him.

He'll be out of the NFL in a year or two just Like Garrett. Other franchises have short leashes for mistake hires, unlike Jerry Jones.

 

[Diehardblues]

Only if Jerry hires him.

He'll be out of the NFL in a year or two just Like Garrett. Other franchises have short leashes for mistake hires, unlike Jerry Jones.

We’ll see. He was picked up quickly by LA and Phi.

 

[SultanOfSix]

We’ll see how he does. Philly’s offensive line (with Kelce) was much better than San Diego’s. Philly should’ve won the divisional last year but their sucky passing defense finally caught up to them.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Moore was the architect of a good offense in Dallas, but was scapegoated after the QB led the entire NFL in interceptions. Jerry was stuck with Dak, and couldn't fire new hire McCarthy, so Moore it was.

Moore never really had a chance with the Chargers who cleaned house after one year.

Philly might not be the best fit for him, but Moore is a solid OC- better than many give him credit for.

Instead of dumbing down the playbook, Dallas should have smarted up the QB.

 

[KingCorcoran]

He is only saying that because if Moore fails to improve the offense, he can blame Moore while still keep his job.

If Moore fails they’re both fired. Sirianni immediately, Moore by the new head coach. The Eagles offense personnel is good enough that failure will doom any chance Moore has to be a head coach.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Is it much better than the 2021 Cowboys OL? Without Kelce, I'm skeptical.

Center makes a huge difference as we all know from the loss of TFred

I agree with the sentiment Re: importance of Center though the Eagles have been grooming Kelce's replacement and the 2021 Cowboys OL stunk,,, the last decent one they had was 2019 IMO.

 

[Bullflop]

Sirianni said he saw the vision of Kellen Moore taking over to run the team from 30,000 feet up.
Whoa, he must have been in heaven! Maybe, he meant he was glad to be done the job?!

 

[doomsday9084]

I just have to note that Herbert probably had his worst year as a pro under Moore last year. The year Moore left, Dak had his best year as a pro.

There isn't a lot of evidence that Moore is a game changing OC.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

3rd and 1, on the 4 yard line. pass attempt to Brown....you know its coming

 

[Aven8]

They have all the weapons. They just need a QB now

 

[blueblood70]

True. Anything is possible. Maybe Kellen will learn.

That said, the very thing that got him let go and created the interceptions for Dak is what is going to be a big problem for Hurts. The same Kellen Moore from a few years ago is going to have a bigger problem than he had here.

I realize some of those interceptions might have been on the scheme but you do realize that Prescott one of his best years as a pro 2021 ;37 touchdowns was it 10 interceptions only? Wasn't kellen moore the OC? There was a lot of bad things that happened in 2022 to make those interceptions a reality a lot of it was on the receivers and tight ends who are bobbling balls running the wrong routes allowing themselves to have things hit them in the hands and it bounce off them I mean there were problems hell last year nobody wants to admit this because nobody talks about it they want to blame Prescott for the two interceptions in the first half of the Green Bay game go look at them again....

Every interception has a story and I guarantee if you watch it in slow motion Fast forward reverse and normal speed you'll find out that Brandon cooks was interfered with not once but twice and didn't put up much fight wasn't a great route Prescott just trying to make a play cause guess what nobody was open most of the day he was being harassed by a four man rush and playing Max zone in the back everybody was covered so he threw the ball and you see him getting pulled and then as they were going to the ground got his shoulder pulled again from behind enough for the ball to be grabbed by the DB... And then go look at lamb he was supposed to cut across the field his route was cut off because I believe he felt he wasn't open so he went off script and broke it up field but it was too late Prescott already released the football it was a timing play you know a guy is supposed to be in a certain place that you let the ball go and then all of a sudden the receiver was no longer there that is not on Prescott as much as yes he threw the football but he had nowhere else to throw the football all day and then you add in the drop passes by CD lamb you sent some say too I say it could have been four in the first half and pounding on the sideline I didn't see Kellen Moore in that game but I saw a lot of the same mess...​

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Football is weird like that I mean sports are it's a game of inches a game of bounces some bad luck and there was a lot of that to go around last year in the losses mostly on the defense but some guys gotta own up when they're have a bad game and they don't it all just falls back on the quarterback and now here it is falling back on the OC I get it but Prescott had some success here a couple #1 offenses under Kellen Moore...​

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I'm not defending the guy I'm glad he's gone but Mike McCarthy didn't really do a better job last year it took him six games in before he realized he was doing it wrong then he was not distributing the ball properly in my opinion as far as the type of run plays that were called and who he was using to run them he was trying to force Tony Pollard into being the number one guy at the very least Kellen Moore recognized that zeke needed to be number one well in this case I think Rico battles a poor man zeke he could have ran those plays last year and let Pollard be a little bit less tired and beat up and beat himself and we'd have been more successful in my opinion...​

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So while we had a very efficient offense last year there was a lot of work to do because Mike McCarthy is not doing much better job in my opinion unless he rolls out game one and this team is all on the same page and it's 100% of his playbook is in play and he properly figures out how to use this running back by committee not go by their name or their paycheck by who can do the job properly for the play called and he did not do that last year I mean in my opinion Turpin wasn't used enough and he definitely wasn't used enough as a wide receiver he used lamb and a lot of behind this line of scrimmage run plays and motions that he could have used Turpin could have gave deuce lawn more opportunities to be the Tony Pollard of the offense at times where you just running the dude outside and took some of the duties away from Turpin I mean some of us are layman right we don't know we're talking about but I think they the whole team was misused last year on both coaches..​

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that's why most of us thought they were both going to be fired because anybody goes back and looked at the tape we left a lot of meat on the bone.. That's right I just brought that old saying back I think there was so much more if they use the players we had on this team available properly design plays and packages for them better our offense and defense would have been much better because they just basically decided we'll just play the way we play no matter who we're playing and we've seen that star before and that's not gonna work against the better teams... Just lining up and saying we're better than you does not work in the playoffs and I did that very thing they forced players into roles they didn't belong in in my opinion.. I know I'm off subject but my first coffee rants in the morning this is what you get...​

 

[StarLord]

The key will be scoring first. If we can get ahead early, Moore will abandon the run, which seems like will be a strength of theirs.

 

[doomsday9084]

I realize some of those interceptions might have been on the scheme but you do realize that Prescott one of his best years as a pro 2021 ;37 touchdowns was it 10 interceptions only? Wasn't kellen moore the OC? There was a lot of bad things that happened in 2022 to make those interceptions a reality a lot of it was on the receivers and tight ends who are bobbling balls running the wrong routes allowing themselves to have things hit them in the hands and it bounce off them I mean there were problems hell last year nobody wants to admit this because nobody talks about it they want to blame Prescott for the two interceptions in the first half of the Green Bay game go look at them again....

Every interception has a story and I guarantee if you watch it in slow motion Fast forward reverse and normal speed you'll find out that Brandon cooks was interfered with not once but twice and didn't put up much fight wasn't a great route Prescott just trying to make a play cause guess what nobody was open most of the day he was being harassed by a four man rush and playing Max zone in the back everybody was covered so he threw the ball and you see him getting pulled and then as they were going to the ground got his shoulder pulled again from behind enough for the ball to be grabbed by the DB... And then go look at lamb he was supposed to cut across the field his route was cut off because I believe he felt he wasn't open so he went off script and broke it up field but it was too late Prescott already released the football it was a timing play you know a guy is supposed to be in a certain place that you let the ball go and then all of a sudden the receiver was no longer there that is not on Prescott as much as yes he threw the football but he had nowhere else to throw the football all day and then you add in the drop passes by CD lamb you sent some say too I say it could have been four in the first half and pounding on the sideline I didn't see Kellen Moore in that game but I saw a lot of the same mess...​

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Football is weird like that I mean sports are it's a game of inches a game of bounces some bad luck and there was a lot of that to go around last year in the losses mostly on the defense but some guys gotta own up when they're have a bad game and they don't it all just falls back on the quarterback and now here it is falling back on the OC I get it but Prescott had some success here a couple #1 offenses under Kellen Moore...​

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I'm not defending the guy I'm glad he's gone but Mike McCarthy didn't really do a better job last year it took him six games in before he realized he was doing it wrong then he was not distributing the ball properly in my opinion as far as the type of run plays that were called and who he was using to run them he was trying to force Tony Pollard into being the number one guy at the very least Kellen Moore recognized that zeke needed to be number one well in this case I think Rico battles a poor man zeke he could have ran those plays last year and let Pollard be a little bit less tired and beat up and beat himself and we'd have been more successful in my opinion...​

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So while we had a very efficient offense last year there was a lot of work to do because Mike McCarthy is not doing much better job in my opinion unless he rolls out game one and this team is all on the same page and it's 100% of his playbook is in play and he properly figures out how to use this running back by committee not go by their name or their paycheck by who can do the job properly for the play called and he did not do that last year I mean in my opinion Turpin wasn't used enough and he definitely wasn't used enough as a wide receiver he used lamb and a lot of behind this line of scrimmage run plays and motions that he could have used Turpin could have gave deuce lawn more opportunities to be the Tony Pollard of the offense at times where you just running the dude outside and took some of the duties away from Turpin I mean some of us are layman right we don't know we're talking about but I think they the whole team was misused last year on both coaches..​

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that's why most of us thought they were both going to be fired because anybody goes back and looked at the tape we left a lot of meat on the bone.. That's right I just brought that old saying back I think there was so much more if they use the players we had on this team available properly design plays and packages for them better our offense and defense would have been much better because they just basically decided we'll just play the way we play no matter who we're playing and we've seen that star before and that's not gonna work against the better teams... Just lining up and saying we're better than you does not work in the playoffs and I did that very thing they forced players into roles they didn't belong in in my opinion.. I know I'm off subject but my first coffee rants in the morning this is what you get...​

IMO, Kellen does a number of things to hurt the team that doesn't really show up in the net stats. Despite a lot of points, he had a lot of 3 and outs. I'll put some stats to it:
Yards per drive
2023: 37.3 (2nd)
2022: 30.9 (17th)

Kellen benefited from a lot of short fields due to Dallas leading the NFL in takeaways. He had trouble sustaining drives where McCarthy didn't.

Going into some specifics:
- Kellen has his timing system which has its pros and cons. His big issue is that he attacks a depth. Say, putting multiple routes that culminate around 15 yards. The intent is to overload zones and it works frequently but it also forces the QB to read the whole field. McCarthy does more high/low action where the QB does a pre-snap read and then reads a single player to pass short or long on one side of the field. The read progression is simpler and there are more safety routes, which allows a QB to sustain a drive.
- Both Kellen and McCarthy had poor run schemes and called the run plays poorly. Between the two, I think McCarthy was actually worse.

IMO, Philly is going to struggle if Moore runs his 2022 stuff with the Eagles. Hurts is not that guy. An inventive run game, RPO, etc. to push the defense is what works with Philly and that hasn't been Moore to date.

 

[blueblood70]

IMO, Kellen does a number of things to hurt the team that doesn't really show up in the net stats. Despite a lot of points, he had a lot of 3 and outs. I'll put some stats to it:
Yards per drive
2023: 37.3 (2nd)
2022: 30.9 (17th)

Kellen benefited from a lot of short fields due to Dallas leading the NFL in takeaways. He had trouble sustaining drives where McCarthy didn't.

Going into some specifics:
- Kellen has his timing system which has its pros and cons. His big issue is that he attacks a depth. Say, putting multiple routes that culminate around 15 yards. The intent is to overload zones and it works frequently but it also forces the QB to read the whole field. McCarthy does more high/low action where the QB does a pre-snap read and then reads a single player to pass short or long on one side of the field. The read progression is simpler and there are more safety routes, which allows a QB to sustain a drive.
- Both Kellen and McCarthy had poor run schemes and called the run plays poorly. Between the two, I think McCarthy was actually worse.

IMO, Philly is going to struggle if Moore runs his 2022 stuff with the Eagles. Hurts is not that guy. An inventive run game, RPO, etc. to push the defense is what works with Philly and that hasn't been Moore to date.

Look man .I'm not defending the guy I'm just saying there's a possibility he can end up turning it around like we've seen other players and coaches do and that would really suck for him to be good in Philly...

I mean obviously there's a reason that he got a job pretty quickly in San Diego and again in Philly I mean you don't think philadelphia's looked at all this I mean do you think fans in here somehow do more research and have more information on players and coaches then an organization looking to do their next hire an organization that apparently their GM is so much better than ours they think they know everything and our fans wish we were all Eagles I mean as far as Harry Roseman goes so apparently if he felt tell him mark and help them I guess he's a little better than our fan base wants to give him credit for... Why else would they hire a guy that they have so much tape on that was in the division and that they played against if they didn't have some kind of feeling that he at least be a good fit for them that's my point what if that he feels this is his last stop he's a lame duck coach if you will he feels like maybe the jury's gonna be out on this one it could be his last job as an OC and all he's gonna get from here is assistant jobs like wide receiver coach or something like that..

With his back against the wall maybe he's gonna be better now you definitely got an offense that's as good or better than anything we have had here I mean look at what they put over there I mean how can he fail? That's my point I wasn't defending the guy I was just saying Mike McCarthy didn't do much better job last year and we've seen some very good years here as far as stats go and I just wanted to point it out maybe he's back against the wall he's got all this talent now to work with he might end up doing something great over there and I don't want it to happen..

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

Nick the Dick will out of a job in Feb. I just don't see Hurts succeeding in a Kellen Moore offence. And I dont see the defense having much success without a great pass rush while counting on rookie DB's to cover up for Slay etc. Of course, we look like a disaster waiting to happen unless we get real lucky with injuries, refs and the bounce of the ball.

 

[Hadenough]

Ha!

If Philly beats us twice this year a large part of this board will have complete meltdowns. Wailing and screaming and wringing of hands, maybe even some pearl clutching. It would be an epic sight to behold.

That would be awesome!