PFT: Ominous Development in looming CBA battle

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OMINOUS DEVELOPMENT IN LOOMING CBA BATTLE

Posted by Mike Florio on March 10, 2008, 8:33 a.m.

With all signs pointing to trouble between the NFL and its players union regarding a Collective Bargaining Agreement that is poised to expire after the 2010 season, the league has made a move that might further set the stage for a work stoppage.

According to Liz Mullen and Daniel Kaplan of SportsBusiness Journal, the league has hired Bob Batterman to participate in the negotiations with the NFL Players Association. Batterman represented hockey owners in connection with talks that resulted in a work stoppage that killed an entire season and, for many mainstream sports fans, removed the NHL from the ranks of the major sports leagues.

The problem apparently is that the same-old, same-old approach isn’t yielding results. Per SBJ, initial talks between the league and the union have gone nowhere.

“All they can agree on is the players are getting paid too much,” NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw said. “They can never tell you what they want.”

Actually, Batterman was quietly hired last March, roughly a year after the league agreed to the current CBA. He has not yet been introduced to the discussions, but he sounds curiously optimistic about the prospects. He told SBJ that a new deal could be worked out “in a matter of weeks if the parties are on a common wavelength.”

So, apparently, the NHL and its union had to scrap a full year of competitive hockey before they landed on a “common wavelength.”

Sorry, NFL, but we think that anyone connected with the NHL fiasco should be regarded as radioactive for purposes of avoiding pro football’s first work stoppage since 1987. And with football now the clearly dominant professional sport in America, the distractions created by labor unrest could be disastrous to its position.

Our take on this situation is that the league thinks that using Batterman will help to create the impression that the owners are going to play hardball. And it’s precisely that kind of posturing that backs folks into corners and fuels unnecessary fighting. Though many believe that the relationship between the league and the union was too cozy in the past, battling for the sake of battling isn’t going to create a long-term deal with which both sides can live, and from which everyone can continue to prosper.

Finally, are we the only ones troubled by the fact that Batterman’s firm, as stated in the SBJ article, “has been representing the other three major American sports leagues in labor relations for years”? Though the conflict of interest isn’t blatant, the idea that Batterman’s firm is beholden to the NBA, MLB, and NHL raises a red flag in our minds, given that those three leagues are surely hoping that the NFL find a way to shoot itself in the foot.
 

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The average NFL salary is $1.1M The average American's salary is $48,000 (based on 2006 numbers). Thats about 1/23 the amount of the average NFL players salary.

The only people that should be complaining are the fans. Of course, since we are die-hard fans, they tell us what we want and we take it. No matter the price.

Times your current salary by 23. Would you be happy?
 

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The salary cap is crap,owners should pay whatever they want for a player,owners shouldnt have to share revenues,and professional athletes in general make too much money.Guys working on cures for cancer dont make what they make.
 

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streetcredit;1992485 said:
How many people could do your job...how many can play in the NFL?

Im sorry but that isn't a legit reason why they should get paid a ton.
 

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juckie;1992494 said:
The salary cap is crap,owners should pay whatever they want for a player,owners shouldnt have to share revenues,and professional athletes in general make too much money.Guys working on cures for cancer dont make what they make.

I like the salary cap. I know that without it Jerry would go nuts and pay for player after player but at the same time the quality of football would go down for teams because of the teams that wouldn't do that.

You would seriously have teams full of nobodies playing against pro bowl teams. It would be fun to watch for a game or two but would suck after that.
 

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streetcredit;1992485 said:
How many people could do your job...how many can play in the NFL?

Anyone that can play football can play in the NFL. The question is who are the most talented. The correct answer would be supply and demand. The NFL demends the BEST football players and the supply of jobs is slim. So, if you want the best of the best, you would pay the highest money to get them. Otherwise you would take the next Joe at a much lower salary. Look at the KC Royals. They take second rate talent so they don't have to pay them as much.
 

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nyc;1992481 said:
The average NFL salary is $1.1M The average American's salary is $48,000 (based on 2006 numbers). Thats about 1/23 the amount of the average NFL players salary.

The only people that should be complaining are the fans. Of course, since we are die-hard fans, they tell us what we want and we take it. No matter the price.

Times your current salary by 23. Would you be happy?
It has to be more than $1.1M. Teams have to spend 85% or whatever of the salary cap, and many teams spend far more cash over cap. Wouldn't it be closer to $2M, excluding the practice squad? Say, $100M - $130M divided by 55-60 players?

I don't think the players make too much, be it an average of $1M or $2M. IMO, there is no such thing. Same for the owners. If we're willing to buy jerseys, game tickets, or Sunday Ticket, then it is what it is. I think the real problem - apart from each side's poor leadership - is between small market and big market owners. Until they work out something between those two factions, there's no point in worrying about peace with the players.
 

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Double Trouble;1992509 said:
It has to be more than $1.1M. Teams have to spend 85% or whatever of the salary cap, and many teams spend far more cash over cap. Wouldn't it be closer to $2M, excluding the practice squad? Say, $100M - $130M divided by 55-60 players?

I don't think the players make too much, be it an average of $1M or $2M. IMO, there is no such thing. Same for the owners. If we're willing to buy jerseys, game tickets, or Sunday Ticket, then it is what it is. I think the real problem - apart from each side's poor leadership - is between small market and big market owners. Until they work out something between those two factions, there's no point in worrying about peace with the players.

I have no idea what the actual number is. I just grabbed $1.1M from NFLPA.org's FAQ
 

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How many people could do your job...how many can play in the NFL?

How many people get to play a game for a living and a huge one at that?
 

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We could be headed to a big-time work stoppage in the NFL come 2010.

And if there is no cap... wow... the business implications for the teams that need the cap in order to stay profitable is immense.
 

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it's the owners who are paying them, so who cares.....

The owners want to pay them the money so let the owners pay.... I know the players get paid alot of money but so do the owners, how else could they afford to pay their employees
 

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It sounds like a lot of money, but these people are the elite of their profession, and their playing careers last 10+ years if they are lucky.
 

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Thehoofbite;1992495 said:
Im sorry but that isn't a legit reason why they should get paid a ton.
You're correct, that isn't a legit reason why they should get paid a ton. For the regular Joe fan, yes it seems as if the salaries are exhorbitant.

However, the owners are making a ton of money, too. It's only fair that they reinvest in the product. Reinvesting means paying their players.
 

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The $1.1 is probably a median rather than a mean. All my stat knowledge is now exhausted.
 

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I have never understood why the NFL and other leagues can't have a salary structure at least for rookies. It is common in almost all Unions and even in the private industry for entry level xyz.
 

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When looking at exorbitant player salaries and exorbitant owner revenues, all we have to do is look at ourselves, the fans.

If we continue to be willing to shell out $60 - $100 for a jersey (or many of them), thousands of dollars per year for season tickets, $200+/season for NFL Sunday Ticket, and on and on, we are feeding the monster that we turn around and complain about.

Nothing is going to change, so instead of complaining about something you can't control, go out and donate $60 to a family who needs it to buy food or employ a single mom for more than minimum wage so she can work one job instead of two and see her kids more. Instead of going into credit card debt buying things you want (but don't need), spend time at a park with your family.
 
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