PFT: Ovation for Monk a Message to Selection Committee

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OVATION FOR MONK A MESSAGE TO SELECTION COMMITTEE

Posted by Mike Florio on August 3, 2008, 6:06 p.m.

An interesting point came up during our Sunday afternoon spot with Dan Moriarty and Lincoln Kennedy of FOX Sports Radio. When Lincoln mentioned the extended standing ovation that the crowd gave to Commanders receiver Art Monk at the Hall of Fame induction ceremony on Saturday night, I said that it was in part a loud and clear message to the Hall of Fame’s selection committee, which took far too long to elect Monk for inclusion.

And that brings us to a broader point — there’s something wrong with the current system of determining who does and doesn’t get into the Hall of Fame. It’s a room full of writers, a 44-person group, with one of them charged with the responsibility of making the case for each potential candidate, and then debate ensuing over which of the candidates will be added to the Hall.

In our view, the body is too big to be consistently effective, the individual members are too susceptible to internal and external pressures, and too many details of the imperfect sausage-making process process leak out to the general public.

A better approach? Let the Commissioner decide who does and doesn’t get in, with the direct input of a small group of hand-picked experts who can assess the attributes of current candidates in comparison to those players who came years if not decades before them.

Though the committee has on many occasions gotten it right, Monk’s case shows that, for several years in a row, the committee got it wrong. For that reason alone, the NFL should reassess whether the current approach is the best one.
 

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The Pro Football Hall of Fame is a 501 (c) (3) not-for-profit educational institution that is independent of the National Football League. SO some of these suggestions, however noble, make absolutely no sense. Having said that I believe the induction committee should be made up of actual members of The Pro Football Hall of Fame. I believe these guys who played and devoted their lives to the game would be the best judges of who was voted in.That's just my 2 cents.
 

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The HOF is too inclusive as it is.

Monk was never an elite player. He was a good player who was fortunate enough to be able to play 15 years and amass impressive statistics.

He never scored more than 8 TDs in a season. He averaged 56 yds/game. He was never a guy who scared you. IMO, the HOF should be for elite players. Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor and so forth. Art Monk - no matter how classy a guy Commanders fans think he is - isn't in their ballpark.
 

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Allowing writers to be the sole judge of who get into the HOF was a joke from the start. Too may of them have favorites and/or are biased against players from certain other teams. Agree that a small number of HOF players should be included in the judging committee & they should revolve every 4-6 years so cliques don't develop nor favortism shown.
 

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It shouldn't send any message.

How about this one? Those that are really good make it sooner? Those that were not gamebreakers that were just solid players should have to wait.

Art Monk was not a first ballot, second, third or even fourth ballot Hall of Famer. I don't see anything wrong with letting more deserving players in first.

There is more to playing at a Hall of Fame level than simply piling up the statitstics. He wasn't a gamebreaker.

And cry me a river about his wait. Bob Hayes is still waiting and that is a disgusting shame.
 

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I think though, something like this needs to be done, or at least, choose a couple of Hall of Famers, legit ones, say a Terry Bradshaw or a Roger Staubach or Troy Aikman, then a offensive linemen or defensive linemen that has played the game, knows what it is, isnt biased. Then, let the Commissioner kinda way in some way, along with some writers.

Every 10 years or 20, you change the hall of fame players with new ones that have made the Hall of Fame.

Then, go from there.
 

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I have an idea....

let only the following vote for future HOFers.

1. NFL Commissioner
2. NFL Deputy Commissioner
3. All living members of the HOF
4. All 32 NFL Owners

Ballots...

1. Make a list of potential player inductees, let's say 30.
2. Each voter ranks inductees by putting a number value 1-30 next to each name.
3. Count up the total points earned, and the top 10 move on to the second round of voting.
4. Revote, this time 1-10.
5. The 5 players who receive the most points will be inducted into the HOF

1. Make a list of potential coach inductees, let's say 10.
2. Rank the coaches 1-10.
3. Whichever coach tallies the most points, will be inducted into the HOF.

This same thing can be done with broadcasters, if any of them actually get inducted into the HOF


I guarantee a lot of wrongs will be righted pretty quickly with my system.
 

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Biggems;2173473 said:
I have an idea....

let only the following vote for future HOFers.

1. NFL Commissioner
2. NFL Deputy Commissioner
3. All living members of the HOF
4. All 32 NFL Owners

Ballots...

1. Make a list of potential player inductees, let's say 30.
2. Each voter ranks inductees by putting a number value 1-30 next to each name.
3. Count up the total points earned, and the top 10 move on to the second round of voting.
4. Revote, this time 1-10.
5. The 5 players who receive the most points will be inducted into the HOF

1. Make a list of potential coach inductees, let's say 10.
2. Rank the coaches 1-10.
3. Whichever coach tallies the most points, will be inducted into the HOF.

This same thing can be done with broadcasters, if any of them actually get inducted into the HOF


I guarantee a lot of wrongs will be righted pretty quickly with my system.
Interesting. It certainly is better than the current system since it takes the voting completely OUT of the media's hands.
 

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Alexander;2173437 said:
It shouldn't send any message.

How about this one? Those that are really good make it sooner? Those that were not gamebreakers that were just solid players should have to wait.

Art Monk was not a first ballot, second, third or even fourth ballot Hall of Famer. I don't see anything wrong with letting more deserving players in first.

There is more to playing at a Hall of Fame level than simply piling up the statitstics. He wasn't a gamebreaker.

And cry me a river about his wait. Bob Hayes is still waiting and that is a disgusting shame.
Preach it Brother Alex!
 

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here is the bottom line...if you think Monk was a HOFer then Keyshawn Johnson will be in the HOF. If you don't think Keyshawn Johnson is NOT a HOFer (and I do NOT think he is)...then Art Monk is not a HOFer
 

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bbailey423;2173664 said:
here is the bottom line...if you think Monk was a HOFer then Keyshawn Johnson will be in the HOF. If you don't think Keyshawn Johnson is NOT a HOFer (and I do NOT think he is)...then Art Monk is not a HOFer
That isn't the bottom line.

I think Monk was a HOFer, but I do not think Keyshawn is.
 

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To me a HOF player should be someone that was considered the best at his position in the league for several years. Monk was never close to that. Frankly a whole lot of those in the HOF are not that. I think the HOF is already diluted. Bob Hayes certainly should go in. Howley is a closer decision- not sure he was considered the best in the league. Every Cowboy who has been inducted up to now has fit the description. Several steelers that have gotten in like Swann, Stallworth and Bradshaw have no business being in.
Moon should not have gotten in. He was NEVER considered the best in the League any year. Steve Young was considered the best maybe one or two years at most and frankly should not have gotten in.
 

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The Commissioner should NOT have any say in the matter. The HOF is independent of the league and should stay that way. There is no perfect system, but a committee of rotating writers, HOF members and ex-players/coaches should do.

I personally think Art Monk was long overdue. Longevity and consistency means a lot in a physical sport like football. He did retire the all-time leader in receptions and since then the passing game has exploded.
 

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Alexander;2173437 said:
It shouldn't send any message.

How about this one? Those that are really good make it sooner? Those that were not gamebreakers that were just solid players should have to wait.

Art Monk was not a first ballot, second, third or even fourth ballot Hall of Famer. I don't see anything wrong with letting more deserving players in first.

There is more to playing at a Hall of Fame level than simply piling up the statitstics. He wasn't a gamebreaker.

And cry me a river about his wait. Bob Hayes is still waiting and that is a disgusting shame.

Damn Skippy!!!

As I was reading your post I got to your reasoning about the gamebreakers and before finished reading I thought of Bullet Bob Hayes...

You're right on the money there Alexander...
 

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bkight13;2173860 said:
The Commissioner should NOT have any say in the matter. The HOF is independent of the league and should stay that way. There is no perfect system, but a committee of rotating writers, HOF members and ex-players/coaches should do.

I personally think Art Monk was long overdue. Longevity and consistency means a lot in a physical sport like football. He did retire the all-time leader in receptions and since then the passing game has exploded.
Actually he didn't. His last season was 1995. He had 940 career receptions. At the end of 1995 Jerry Rice had 942 career receptions. It would have been true if he had retired after 1994 as he planned.
 

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My problem is these guys are writers.

Not peers, not coaches, not HOF'ers.

There is going to be bias from the writers, and pressure from the teams they represent. It's almost as if teams are forced to give access based on voting enabled writers.
 

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SkinsandTerps;2173874 said:
My problem is these guys are writers.

Not peers, not coaches, not HOF'ers.

There is going to be bias from the writers, and pressure from the teams they represent. It's almost as if teams are forced to give access based on voting enabled writers.
Great post. Totally agree. If inclusion in the HOF was up to the honorees already in the Hall a lot of bypassed guys would already be in.

The problem with the writers is there is no questioning their vote. They do not have to explain themselves and there is complete autonomy. That is flat out wrong.
 

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I don't know how to fix the current problem.

But it's very clear the system they use is pretty screwed up.
 

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Alexander;2173437 said:
It shouldn't send any message.

How about this one? Those that are really good make it sooner? Those that were not gamebreakers that were just solid players should have to wait.

Art Monk was not a first ballot, second, third or even fourth ballot Hall of Famer. I don't see anything wrong with letting more deserving players in first.

There is more to playing at a Hall of Fame level than simply piling up the statitstics. He wasn't a gamebreaker.

And cry me a river about his wait. Bob Hayes is still waiting and that is a disgusting shame.


No truer words were ever spoken.

Here is how I would like to see the selection committee made up.

There should be 32 sports media personnel, one from each team market. The criteria should be that they should ave covered football in that market for at least 15 years.

Then the living members of the HOF should have a ballot and they should be allowed to elect 2 players per year for inclusion in the HOF, Ones that have been out of the league for at least 25 years.

The Writers would then make their selections and present them to the players for inclusion on their ballot. They should bring a total of 15 players to the ballot. Each member would be allowed to vote for the final 5 for inclusion, plus their 2 Member choices. They would then tabulate the ballots and those who have at least 51% of the votes would be included in that years class. Sometimes there may only be 2 or 3 players but other times there may be 5 or 7. Depending on the senior choice.

Either way, the final decision need to be taken out of the hands of the writers and finally given to those who really earned it. Those who are actually in the HOF.
 

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Hostile;2173888 said:
Great post. Totally agree. If inclusion in the HOF was up to the honorees already in the Hall a lot of bypassed guys would already be in.

Thank you. Did you catch "The top 10 players not in the hall" ? One was indeed Hayes. Not to mention Derrick Thomas. Listening to the writers and their lame excuses was pitiful.

Hostile;2173888 said:
The problem with the writers is there is no questioning their vote. They do not have to explain themselves and there is complete autonomy. That is flat out wrong.

Absolutely. It's funny because many teams fans hate Lenny P, yet he is rewarded ? Based on what ? He is an agitator. He fuels fires, and that's it. He reports opinions more than facts.
 
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