PFT: Ovation for Monk a Message to Selection Committee

[TNCowboy]

Tell that to his sister who manages his charitable foundation. I got to know her fairly well when I was trying to help raise money for him to not be in an unmarked grave. I know for a fact she would not agree with you. If the HOF voters ever pull their heads out of a dark, smelly place she will accept for him. I promised her I would be there when that happens. It matters a lot.

Too many here are obsessed with the HOF.

Hayes is gone and can't receive the recognition he deserved.

I'd find it almost insulting to put him in now.

 

[Hostile]

Too many here are obsessed with the HOF.

Hayes is gone and can't receive the recognition he deserved.

I'd find it almost insulting to put him in now.

His sister would not.

 

[DallasEast]

Too many here are obsessed with the HOF.

Hayes is gone and can't receive the recognition he deserved.

I'd find it almost insulting to put him in now.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame is where the greatest players who ever played the game are immortalized forever.

In my opinion, Bob Hayes was one of the greatest to play the game. Ergo...

 

[DallasEast]

Perhaps someone could explain to me why people who have never played football at any level because they were physically incapable of it are the only ones who can determine who gets into the hall?

The reasoning is that their separation from the sport makes them the most ideal impartial judges of who gets in and who does not. Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[FCBarca]

Whoosh!


Right over your head.

More like ignored

 

[YosemiteSam]

Too many here are obsessed with the HOF.

Hayes is gone and can't receive the recognition he deserved.

I'd find it almost insulting to put him in now.

Shut the hell up.

...man, what an idiot.

 

[Hostile]

More like ignored

:laugh2:

Soccer fans are so tender about their sport being lampooned.

 

[Sandyf]

THe problem with the HOF is that you wait 5 years before you are even eligible which means that the game has changed somewhat, by the time you are eligible usually their are others in the limelight, etc, etc.

So what should be done and who should get in, from the replies here, we see great injustice to many Cowboys, Hayes, Howley, Waters, Harris, etc. And whether we like it or not ever team's fans will have their list of who should and should not be there.

Some think the HOF is diluted, I see it as unjust for far to many players and unfair to many positions. Ray Guy should be in the Hall, the guy was a weapon with that leg. Bob Hayes changed the game completely.

The biggest problem is that sportswriters have absolutely no business being the only decision makers. It should be a multiple groups, i.e. sportswriters, HOF members, coaches, fans, and probably a group of owners that rotate. Each with a percentage but not the same percentage. It also should be spots for owners, referees, contributors, and players but not limited to 6 for all of them at once. Maybe 1 owner, 1 contributor, 1 referee and 6 players.

As bad as I believe the HOF is unjust in football, it is far, far worse in baseball, enough so that I consider it a non-HOF because of the exclusion of far to many players.

 

[percyhoward]

Too many here are obsessed with the HOF.

Hayes is gone and can't receive the recognition he deserved.

I'd find it almost insulting to put him in now.

You know what I find insulting? When an award-winning columnist like Ray Didinger, who's got no allegiances to the Cowboys, but who actually saw Hayes play, having covered Philly sports for decades, puts Hayes "higher than top 5" of the guys who should be in the HOF but aren't.

And younger guys like Peter King, who was not even yet a teenager when Hayes was playing, vote against Hayes like they know what the hell they're talking about.

King doesn't even know 2008 football, much less 1966. That's the real insult.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I knew Cris Carter was not going to be a first ballot enshrinee. Should he go in ? Absolutely, but not before Monk.

However better than Monk ? Not really.

As someone else stated, when you have a team that runs, and runs, and runs...That go to guy was Art Monk.
And he rarely disappointed when given the opportunity, he was so selfless for the greater cause of winning, and still led the league for receptions at his time of retirement.

 

[rk_bailey]

The HOF is too inclusive as it is.

Monk was never an elite player. He was a good player who was fortunate enough to be able to play 15 years and amass impressive statistics.

He never scored more than 8 TDs in a season. He averaged 56 yds/game. He was never a guy who scared you. IMO, the HOF should be for elite players. Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor and so forth. Art Monk - no matter how classy a guy Commanders fans think he is - isn't in their ballpark.

He was the epitome of what a HOF player should be. If you look at his first 12 seasons (2 strike shortened) his numbers are pretty much = to Irvin's twelve. Its a bad argument to say longevity should penalize you. He was the ultimate possession WR in his era. and put his team before himself. No WR is in Rice's ballpark. So your HOF would have no WR's with your argument.

here is the bottom line...if you think Monk was a HOFer then Keyshawn Johnson will be in the HOF. If you don't think Keyshawn Johnson is NOT a HOFer (and I do NOT think he is)...then Art Monk is not a HOFer

You can't compare the two. They played in two different eras. Mee-shawn is the anti-Monk. Monk did it with class and just did his job, very very well. Everyone on the field knew where the ball was going on 3rd and 9. Yet no one could stop it. I guess since no one "gameplanned" for him it came back and bit them on the ***.

Here's the message that should have been sent by the standing O - there were a ton of Commanders fans in Canton.

For 7 out of his 14 years in the league, Art Monk averaged less than 50 ypg.

Actually, 9 of his 14 years he averaged 50+, 11 of 14 (49.8+) You also have to take into account that for 8 of his 14 years he played with both Ricky Sanders (48 ypg/career) and Gary Clark (65 ypg/career) in a run first offense, and that particular argument is moot as well. Put Monk on a team with no other WR's in the pass happy 90's and he would have just as easily put up the 75 ypg that Mr. Irvin did, in my opinion. (not to take anything away from Irvin, I hated the guy because he was that damn good and as HOF worthy as anyone, but I would have hated Monk if I was not a Skins fan and had to play against him every year because he was that good as well)

I agree with other poster earlier too...Bob Hayes is very Hall worthy...he changed the position.

 

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I hear many of you using the argument that Art Monk wasn't even the most dangerous WR on his team.

So assuming that is true, is Gary Clark worthy of HOF consideration?

 

[Hostile]

I hear many of you using the argument that Art Monk wasn't even the most dangerous WR on his team.

So assuming that is true, is Gary Clark worthy of HOF consideration?

No one who has claimed that Clark was better than Monk has said Gary Clark is a HOFer.

 

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

No one who has claimed that Clark was better than Monk has said Gary Clark is a HOFer.

I disagree. IMO Clark is worthy of HOF consideration. But you have the right to your opinion.

 

[Hostile]

I disagree. IMO Clark is worthy of HOF consideration. But you have the right to your opinion.

I never said it was my opinion. I said anyone who has argued that Monk was not even better than Clark has not argued that Clark is a HOFer.

I am among the "Monk was a HOFer" believers.

I have not expressed an opinion one way or ther other on Gary Clark.

 

[KLJ]

i don't think monk or clark are hall of fame players

 

[superpunk]

Put Monk on a team with no other WR's in the pass happy 90's and he would have just as easily put up the 75 ypg that Mr. Irvin did, in my opinion.

Objection, your honor - speculation.

(a) Michael played in a run first offense, too.

(b) as for the "pass-happy 90s" - in 1984, Monk's best statistical season, the average number of pass attempts per team was 511. In Michael's best season, 1991, the average attempts per team was 498. From my brief look, I don't think the average ever topped 513 during Michael's career, so let's not pretend these guys were playing in two entirely different eras, and Monk had just come on the scene after the invented the forward pass.

(c) It's just as easy to say if Monk hadn't had the run game taking all the attention off him, he would have struggled to get open and would have just been a mediocre receiver. So let's leave that sort of speculation out of it. Monk is what he is - a 57 ypg receiver who took 14 years to nab 68 TDs. That's pretty "ok".