PFT: Parsons has gone 38 straight quarters w/o drawing a holding penalty

[advent11]

These are the same officials who purposely ruled incorrectly on PI calls because they were butthurt.

 

[MarcusRock]

By the way, did y'all know that Zack Martin has had consecutive stretches of no holding calls for this many quarters during his career:

181 quarters (45 games!)
118 quarters (29 games)
120 quarters (30 games)

That's a stretch of 2 holds in 104 games, or almost 6 and a half seasons for those of you keeping score at home. How is that humanly possible? He's currently on a 37 quarter streak. 1 less than Parsons. If the above is not odd, yet Parsons is, how do you reconcile that? Lol.

 

[Teague31]

By the way, did y'all know that Zack Martin has had consecutive stretches of no holding calls for this many quarters during his career:

181 quarters (45 games!)
118 quarters (29 games)
120 quarters (30 games)

That's a stretch of 2 holds in 104 games, or almost 6 and a half seasons for those of you keeping score at home. How is that humanly possible? He's currently on a 37 quarter streak. 1 less than Parsons. If the above is not odd, yet Parsons is, how do you reconcile that? Lol.

Zack is a hall of fame player. Not the same as the stiffs Micah is seeing most weeks

 

[MarcusRock]

Zack is a hall of fame player. Not the same as the stiffs Micah is seeing most weeks

If QBs are getting the ball out early or teams are running the ball down our throats, they don't need to be HOFers. I mean, until I see some consistent video, how do we know that this isn't just overblown frustration on his part? Produce the videos, not still shots that tell you nothing!

 

[DripTooHard]

If QBs are getting the ball out early or teams are running the ball down our throats, they don't need to be HOFers. I mean, until I see some consistent video, how do we know that this isn't just overblown frustration on his part? Produce the videos, not still shots that tell you nothing!

Here is one…

https://x.com/mickeyforge3/status/1739061304021680208?s=46&t=EPNWIY8OlXbP3x2RuyVmTw

 

[MarcusRock]

Here is one…

That is not holding. If you look, Micah beats the RG at the snap. So to recover, the RG partially pushes Micah into the RT who leans back in as he's blocking his guy who retreats and makes Micah have to maneuver through the both of them. Micah actually curls his right arm around the RG's right arm draped across and engaged under Micah's neck. As Micah starts to break through, he straightens his arm to push off the RG and the RG lets go of the front of Micah. I see restriction but not to the level of a "material restriction" that "alters the path or angle of pursuit" because Micah got to go where he wanted to go. He just had to contort through 2 guys to do it.

P.S. - I liked that the poster said Parsons was being held in the name of parody. Lol.

 

[Cowboy_svt]

By the way, did y'all know that Zack Martin has had consecutive stretches of no holding calls for this many quarters during his career:

181 quarters (45 games!)
118 quarters (29 games)
120 quarters (30 games)

That's a stretch of 2 holds in 104 games, or almost 6 and a half seasons for those of you keeping score at home. How is that humanly possible? He's currently on a 37 quarter streak. 1 less than Parsons. If the above is not odd, yet Parsons is, how do you reconcile that? Lol.

Gonna injure your fingers grasping at straws that hard.

Show us some vids hes holding and not called for it for your comparison to even work.

 

[Cowboy_svt]

That is not holding. If you look, Micah beats the RG at the snap. So to recover, the RG partially pushes Micah into the RT who leans back in as he's blocking his guy who retreats and makes Micah have to maneuver through the both of them. Micah actually curls his right arm around the RG's right arm draped across and engaged under Micah's neck. As Micah starts to break through, he straightens his arm to push off the RG and the RG lets go of the front of Micah. I see restriction but not to the level of a "material restriction" that "alters the path or angle of pursuit" because Micah got to go where he wanted to go. He just had to contort through 2 guys to do it.

P.S. - I liked that the poster said Parsons was being held in the name of parody. Lol.

At 5 seconds literally once he passes the Tackle you see the guards hand is holding him back and when he releases it then Parsons accelerates, thats not holding?

 

[MarcusRock]

Gonna injure your fingers grasping at straws that hard.

Show us some vids hes holding and not called for it for your comparison to even work.

Martin actually being guilty of holds is not the point. It's the sheer numbers of quarters argument people are trying to make. So I'm showing sheer numbers that favor us and how that's not supposed to be odd (unless it was an Eagles player).

 

[MarcusRock]

At 5 seconds literally once he passes the Tackle you see the guards hand is holding him back and when he releases it then Parsons accelerates, thats not holding?

He is being pinned between 2 players and maneuvering through until he finally breaks through. But Parsons too has his right arm curled around the Guard's arm. Once he flattens it, the Guard lets go. Again, where is Parsons prevented in his path from where he wants to go?

 

[Motorola]

I can't believe there hasn't been a thread about this topic already.

I ain't exactly been keepin' count...but I reckon a half dozen have been put up here in CZ over the last week or so.

 

[Cowboy_svt]

Martin actually being guilty of holds is not the point. It's the sheer numbers of quarters argument people are trying to make. So I'm showing sheer numbers that favor us and how that's not supposed to be odd (unless it was an Eagles player).

it is, people are complaining about parsons not getting a holding call after seeing him being held and not being called for it., and its an issue with a lot of top rushers around the league for w/e reason.
Calling out Martin for not having a hold without saying/showing hes getting away with a lot of holding isnt really the same thing.

He is being pinned between 2 players and maneuvering through until he finally breaks through. But Parsons too has his right arm curled around the Guard's arm. Once he flattens it, the Guard lets go. Again, where is Parsons prevented in his path from where he wants to go?

So the guard can hold as long as parsons has his arm holding the guards arm, and why would parsons be trying to hold himself back? Even tho cause of the positioning his arm is trapped between him and the guard initially? Cause im still seeing once the guard "lets go" parsons collar he accelerates, that wasnt blocking, thats a hold on the guard. And at 5 seconds hes past the tackle so hes out of the equation but the guard is still restricting him from his path while not even in front of him anymore.

 

[MarcusRock]

it is, people are complaining about parsons not getting a holding call after seeing him being held and not being called for it., and its an issue with a lot of top rushers around the league for w/e reason.
Calling out Martin for not having a hold without saying/showing hes getting away with a lot of holding isnt really the same thing.

So the guard can hold as long as parsons has his arm holding the guards arm, and why would parsons be trying to hold himself back? Even tho cause of the positioning his arm is trapped between him and the guard initially? Cause im still seeing once the guard "lets go" parsons collar he accelerates, that wasnt blocking, thats a hold on the guard. And at 5 seconds hes past the tackle so hes out of the equation but the guard is still restricting him from his path while not even in front of him anymore.

Again, not what I'm saying with Martin. People say Parsons is held almost every play (not true) and that it's been 38 quarters hinting that it's odd to be that high a number. Well, what about 2 holds in 419 quarters is what I'm saying. I'm talking about the oddity of a large number. As for holds "people have seen," there's been like literally 2 or 3 actual videos posted here detailing them and I've agreed with a few. Where are the boxes footage if it's happening almost every play? I would sit down and review every one of them just like the one we're discussing.

Look at the footage again to see where Parsons wanted to initially go. Once he beats the RG he attempts to get past him leading in with his right shoulder, correct? After the RG counters by pushing him into the Tackle, Micah has to change tactics to get through and turns himself the other way, using his left hand/arm to push off the Tackle while using his curled right arm on the RG for turning leverage (that's my guess as to why he did it). Once he adequately gets past the Tackle using that left hand, he straightens the right arm to leave the RG behind. He is still being pressed against by the Tackle using his left hip to obstruct Parsons while the RG disengages. Then, yes, of course Parsons can accelerate because he's no longer being blocked. He just had to redirect through a maze before being able to do so. If the RG pulling on Parsons' front caused him to change his lead shoulder then you could cite a hold, but Parsons angling himself the opposite way was all his own doing once the RG countered. The fact the RG still has a grip when Parsons is just about through doesn't make it a hold unless he yanks back on him. He had a grip and then let go. "Materially restrict" means some restriction is okay. This did not rise to the level of "material" to me. It was a decent counter after being beat.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

By the way, did y'all know that Zack Martin has had consecutive stretches of no holding calls for this many quarters during his career:

181 quarters (45 games!)
118 quarters (29 games)
120 quarters (30 games)

That's a stretch of 2 holds in 104 games, or almost 6 and a half seasons for those of you keeping score at home. How is that humanly possible? He's currently on a 37 quarter streak. 1 less than Parsons. If the above is not odd, yet Parsons is, how do you reconcile that? Lol.

do you have evidence Zach held?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

T.J. Watt has gone 47 quarters without drawing a Hold

ok and is equally atrocious

 

[BigWillie]

Of course I know. I've posted the rules several times. But in this still shot, where do you see the material restriction of Parsons' path to the ball, making something a hold? Are the OLinemen retracting their arms, extending them more, or about to step to the side after this frame? If you can't answer those questions, you too need video. I haven't even opined whether it is or isn't a hold. I'm just saying a still picture tells you nothing just like a DB's hand on a receiver's shoulder in a still shot doesn't make it PI.

You cannot bring up a ‘loophole’ without giving the full context of that rule.

The rule is rather clear about double team blocks — once Micah split the double team, and got beyond the shoulder or either blocker, the blockers can no longer hold the defensive player.

The picture clearly shows Micah splitting the double team. The picture clearly shows Micah beyond the shoulder of both players. So yes, the picture does show enough in that the continued restriction, given what we already see in this picture, is holding.

 

[MarcusRock]

You cannot bring up a ‘loophole’ without giving the full context of that rule.

The rule is rather clear about double team blocks — once Micah split the double team, and got beyond the shoulder or either blocker, the blockers can no longer hold the defensive player.

The picture clearly shows Micah splitting the double team. The picture clearly shows Micah beyond the shoulder of both players. So yes, the picture does show enough in that the continued restriction, given what we already see in this picture, is holding.

Not even close. Just to be clear, are you saying that once Micah splits a double team, they need to let go of him completely? The rule states that any holding is not called if a double team unless one splits and gets to the outside of one of them. Again, a picture doesn't show anything in regards to a motion penalty. Where can you even tell a hold actually even took place on the play? You can't even for sure say what directions their hands are going in, let alone if his path to the ball was altered or any of the other questions I asked. A pic is just a point on a continuum where you actually need to observe the entire continuum to opine. The rule tells you it's looking for motion and the response is to show a still shot? Not to go all 'spiracy but that makes me think it's less of a hold than an actual one if people don't want to post videos to be critiqued.

And what is this new video supposed to show? This is not a double team on Parsons (Lawrence is being double teamed) and the OL is allowed to block from the side just like in the other video I'm discussing. You can't even see the OL's right hand to even see what he's doing there. To boot, Parsons doesn't even complain about a hold afterwards. Most likely because there wasn't one.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

do you have evidence Zach held?

Of course not.. Zach Martin is a dallas cowboy.

The Cowboys have never committed a legit Hold....which means Martin has never committed a legit Hold

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I've watched NFL football all of my life and still don't understand what a hold is, apparently.

It seems like, at least during Dallas games, the only time it is flagged is if a player is tackled or if you're caught with your hands underneath the shoulders on a bull rush.

or if we get a 10+ yard run

Of course not.. Zach Martin is a dallas cowboy.

The Cowboys have never committed a legit Hold....which means Martin has never committed a legit Hold

yawn

 

[DandyDon52]

Sorry if repost.........

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ve-quarters-without-drawing-a-holding-penalty

Micah Parsons has gone 38 consecutive quarters without drawing a holding penalty​

• By
• Charean Williams

Published December 27, 2023 10:46 PM

Browns edge rusher Myles Garrett was fined $25,000 for criticizing officials after a game against the Jaguars. That’s likely what prompted Micah Parsons on Wednesday to express little interest in talking about the lack of holding calls he’s gotten this season.

Parsons then talked about the lack of holding calls he’s gotten this season.

this says to me the nfl does not want dallas to have the first seed, or be in the SB.
They have their teams picked out with alternates, and dallas aint one of em.

The team from the nfc may be new team and the SB wont have eagles or KC this year. No telling which teams it will be, but 2 new teams.