PFT: Rumors swirl of Jason Campbell trade

[ThreeSportStar80]

Word on the street is that St. Louis might draft Bradford number one IF he tests well.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jason Campbell is not terrible. He completed 65% of his passes and had a QB rating of 86 despite injuires to Jansen, Samuels, Portis, Cooley and Betts.

Eli did only marginally better with a significantly better supporting cast. An argument certainly can be made.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Jason Campbell is not terrible. He completed 65% of his passes and had a QB rating of 86 despite injuires to Jansen, Samuels, Portis, Cooley and Betts.

Eli did only marginally better with a significantly better supporting cast. An argument certainly can be made.

Campbell doesn't let loose, he doesn't know how to let it go!

 

[rkell87]

I'm not going to sit and debate Jason Campbell and why he is so terrible with you for very long, but you need to ask yourself how a QB with no former NFL experience like Sanchez in 2009 and Flacco and Ryan in 2008 can have so much success in their first NFL season and yet a guy who has been around as long as Campbell can't overcome playing in the second season of Zorn's west coast offense.

Having a new offense simply isn't an excuse.

I guarantee you if the Commanders WR's had a different QB throwing them the ball... nobody would think they are so terrible.

By the same token, if the Commanders O-Line wasn't trying to protect a guy who takes 60 seconds to diagnose what a defense is doing on any given play, their sacks and pressures given up would drop significantly. Do you remember how terrible our O-Line was at protection when Bledsoe was at QB? Did you see how better they looked with a quick thinking, hair trigger QB started playing?

As for how terrible the offense looks (#4 on your list)... well, again you can't expect anyone on that offense to look good with Campbell playing QB. It isn't an accident that you said the only thing they gave him was a half-decent running game, because Jason doesn't have to make a decision in handing the ball off. Heck, he still manages to hurt the run game though because the defense can crowd the line of scrimmage to stop the run. All coordinators have to do is to take away Campbell's first read and then they can focus on stopping the run.

Your view that Campbell has reasons for his immense suckitude is an overly-simplified, short-sighted way of making excuses.

ill answer the first paragraph...they were good because all three of them had a tremendous running game to take the pressure off them....not saying they arent still better than campbell but that is the reason they were all so successful in their first seasons in the nfl

 

[DanTanna]

So the Skins are offering a 1st and 3rd for someone to take Cambell off their hands? Count me in.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Campbell doesn't let loose, he doesn't know how to let it go!

His receivers didn't get open too often. Defenses keyed on Moss and no one else could make them pay. Throw in no running game and you can play coverage and no one can make them pay either.

Campbell basically played not to lose and with that defense it was there best shot because if they turned the ball over they simply could not overcome that but they could count on the defense. He only threw 10 picks and at least three of them were off the hands of receivers.

If Moss is getting coverage over the top are you really going to throw there. Hes diminutive and asking him to fight and win for the ball over and over again isn't a recipe for success. Randell-El, Kelly, Thomas and Davis are not guys that you can count on throwing to if they look covered. He was screwed the moment Cooley went down.

 

[silverbear]

Dale was tha man. I wouldn't have found this site without him. So you have him to blame. :laugh2:

If he was still around, I'd organize the lynch mob...

 

[silverbear]

Not a chance, but lets say Eli was moved to the Commanders I don't believe that would do much better than with Campbell taking the snaps and if Campbell was on the Giants and Eli went down with an injury I don't believe that they would do much worse. (Im not saying they wouldn't do worse, they would but it wouldn't be as extreme as everyone is implying)

Ahhh, but your original claim was that Campbell is better than Eli... and if that's true, they he WOULD start, while Manning would ride the bench...

So, you're backtracking from your original, ridiculous opinion... the critics who have pointed out Campbell's flaws are right-- he doesn't make quick, good decisions (IOW, he's not football-smart), and he doesn't see the field well... these are fatal flaws in a QB... basically, Campbell has become the king of the dumpoff pass...

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

His receivers didn't get open too often. Defenses keyed on Moss and no one else could make them pay. Throw in no running game and you can play coverage and no one can make them pay either.

Campbell basically played not to lose and with that defense it was there best shot because if they turned the ball over they simply could not overcome that but they could count on the defense. He only threw 10 picks and at least three of them were off the hands of receivers.

If Moss is getting coverage over the top are you really going to throw there. Hes diminutive and asking him to fight and win for the ball over and over again isn't a recipe for success. Randell-El, Kelly, Thomas and Davis are not guys that you can count on throwing to if they look covered. He was screwed the moment Cooley went down.

Campbell needs to trust his WRs to make plays on the ball... It's the NFL, WRs are hardly ever wide open, you have to make throws in tight windows.

 

[silverbear]

I edited the post again.


My point is that they need to get O-LINE in this draft, thankfully they wont

If that was your point, you're right... but if that was indeed your point, why did you state that "Hes a better QB than Eli Manning"??

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Campbell needs to trust his WRs to make plays on the ball... It's the NFL, WRs are hardly ever wide open, you have to make throws in tight windows.

Not so much. Thats why receivers who can get separation are so sought after. Outside of Moss no Commanders receiver was winning one one one matchups consistently.

When you look Moss' way and hes got a safety over the top of him and the rest of his receivers have a DB in their hip pocket. Davis --when he wasn't missing blitz pickups- and Randall-El would get open occasionally and they would get the ball but the way people around here are talking you would think he was missing wide open receivers.

The Commanders receiving corp was awful.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ahhh, but your original claim was that Campbell is better than Eli... and if that's true, they he WOULD start, while Manning would ride the bench...

So, you're backtracking from your original, ridiculous opinion... the critics who have pointed out Campbell's flaws are right-- he doesn't make quick, good decisions (IOW, he's not football-smart), and he doesn't see the field well... these are fatal flaws in a QB... basically, Campbell has become the king of the dumpoff pass...

The king of the dumpoff was 15th in the league in YPA. Those dumpoffs sure went a decent length.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 25, 2010 1:58 PM ET

Rumors of trades and free-agent signings abound every year at the NFL scouting combine, but most years the sports writers at the combine don't share those rumors with their readers until they move out of the "rumor" category and actually become news.

So it was a little surprising (and refreshing) to read Jason Reid of the Washington Post write today about a rumor that he and Jason La Canfora of NFL Network "both were busy checking out" in Indianapolis.

Reid writes that the rumor is that the Commanders would send quarterback Jason Campbell to the Buffalo Bills for safety Donte Whitner and a draft pick.

The rumor isn't actually likely to come to fruition, and the Commanders are indicating publicly that they plan to bring Campbell back. Still, Reid writes that he wouldn't be surprised if Campbell isn't back with the Commanders in 2010.

Campbell becomes a restricted free agent next week, and the Commanders are expected to tender him an offer of $3.268 million, which would entitle them to first- and third-round draft picks as compensation if he signs elsewhere.

Jason Campbell . . . :thumbdo:

 

[bbgun]

If that was your point, you're right... but if that was indeed your point, why did you state that "Hes a better QB than Eli Manning"??

Keep it up, and I'll report you for child abuse.

 

[silverbear]

The king of the dumpoff was 15th in the league in YPA. Those dumpoffs sure went a decent length.

Look beyond the numbers, Fuzzy-- I watched the Skins games when they didn't conflict with the the Cowboys game, and virtually every time they had a completion for a big gain, it was a case of run after the catch...

Jason Campbell was pretty much afraid to look downfield... he did more of that this past season than in earlier seasons, which is why his interception percentage was noticeably higher...

I stand behind what I said about Campbell being the king of the dumpoff pass... his modus operandi was to drop back, look the field over, then (often even when he had receivers open downfield) either dump the ball off or take off running... even the Skins' mediots were ripping him for this...

 

[silverbear]

Keep it up, and I'll report you for child abuse.

C'mon, I'm just tryin' to educate the lad... is it my fault if he's like the old mule who needs a two by four across the noggin to get his attention??

This is a classic case of tough love...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Look beyond the numbers, Fuzzy-- I watched the Skins games when they didn't conflict with the the Cowboys game, and virtually every time they had a completion for a big gain, it was a case of run after the catch...

Jason Campbell was pretty much afraid to look downfield... he did more of that this past season than in earlier seasons, which is why his interception percentage was noticeably higher...

I stand behind what I said about Campbell being the king of the dumpoff pass... his modus operandi was to drop back, look the field over, then (often even when he had receivers open downfield) either dump the ball off or take off running... even the Skins' mediots were ripping him for this...

I watched them at least half a dozen times myself and I never go the impression that he was missing open receivers consistently but rather the receivers aren't getting open.

Its arguable who had the worst receiving corps last year, Chicago, Washington or Cleveland. I give the nod to Cleveland on that but they were amongst the worst.

And you know better than to refer to the local media for unbiased QB opinions.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 25, 2010 1:58 PM ET

Rumors of trades and free-agent signings abound every year at the NFL scouting combine, but most years the sports writers at the combine don't share those rumors with their readers until they move out of the "rumor" category and actually become news.

So it was a little surprising (and refreshing) to read Jason Reid of the Washington Post write today about a rumor that he and Jason La Canfora of NFL Network "both were busy checking out" in Indianapolis.

Reid writes that the rumor is that the Commanders would send quarterback Jason Campbell to the Buffalo Bills for safety Donte Whitner and a draft pick.

The rumor isn't actually likely to come to fruition, and the Commanders are indicating publicly that they plan to bring Campbell back. Still, Reid writes that he wouldn't be surprised if Campbell isn't back with the Commanders in 2010.

Campbell becomes a restricted free agent next week, and the Commanders are expected to tender him an offer of $3.268 million, which would entitle them to first- and third-round draft picks as compensation if he signs elsewhere.

I take Whitner and give them McGee or Kitna or both...

 

[silverbear]

I watched them at least half a dozen times myself and I never go the impression that he was missing open receivers consistently but rather the receivers aren't getting open.

I'll repeat, the folks who covered the Commanders for the local media commented on it with some frequency...

And you know better than to refer to the local media for unbiased QB opinions.

And why exactly would they make something like that up??

I think Sonny Jurgenson knows a LITTLE something about playing QB...

 

[Hoofbite]

Jason Campbell is not terrible. He completed 65% of his passes and had a QB rating of 86 despite injuires to Jansen, Samuels, Portis, Cooley and Betts.

Eli did only marginally better with a significantly better supporting cast. An argument certainly can be made.

I've thought for a while that Campbell has gotten a seriously raw deal in DC. New staff, coordinators, systems and players every damn year. I can't imagine any QB doing anything in such a scenario.

Campbell has an arm and I think if he was given time to develop in a system that he could be a decent QB.

He seriously needs out of DC. Part of me wants to see him get out because I feel bad for the kid. Seems like a nice guy but is just getting the poop end of the stick but at the same time he will never develop in DC and will remain mediocre as long as he is there.