News: PFT: Stephen Jones expresses disappointment in Randy Gregory

[CyberB0b]

No more a sham than any other support network, they can help players but 1st the player has to be able to help himself. Cowboys can't be with players 24/7 at what point does the player have responsibility for their own actions?

Sure, but the organization takes risks assuming they have the support group to mitigate these risks. It's obvious that they're incapable of doing this. Let's spend resources on real football players.

 

[CCBoy]

Sure, but the organization takes risks assuming they have the support group to mitigate these risks. It's obvious that they're incapable of doing this. Let's spend resources on real football players.

That isn't obvious at all...unless one uses stereotype without data reflections.

 

[CyberB0b]

That isn't obvious at all...unless one uses stereotype without data reflections.

There's plenty of data reflections. From this season. Greg Hardy, Randy Gregory, Joe Randle, Ro McClain.

 

[Idgit]

Yes it is. The Cowboys themselves sent ST holders emails about The Star, where it said, "where football meets the country club", or something like that.

Not sure what you're referring to, but even if it were true, you're confusing the stadium that they're marketing with the team itself.

 

[CCBoy]

There's plenty of data reflections. From this season. Greg Hardy, Randy Gregory, Joe Randle, Ro McClain.

I realize that you present this as a fan, and not an investigative reporter.

Randle needs intense anger management help...but he wasn't beyond hope until he started to take lightly his role as a starter.

Greg Hardy had an attached bundle of problems that included not playing for over an entire season. He contributed at a starter's level, but not at a top shelf level he was previously.

Rolando McClain has a group of mixed reviews, but on the whole has been a stable influence as a middle linebacker. He has some old baggage that he drags along, but the evaluations of staff are paramount as to his future stop gap or role with the present Cowboys.

Randle gone and should be closely monitored for anger issues.
Hardy, is probably gone, with too many locker room distractions for level of play being paid. Unless he comes as a lower end journeymen stTheatus.
Gregory has to now enter a team directed system that monitors him, both on the field and off...but he could swing wildly back around and be a legitimate positive. I'm not holding my breath, but he was described as a real person prior to the pee tests.

But this effect will be negligable when only McClain and Gregory continue into the summer.

The team will need to sign at least two free agent defensive linemen...and four defensive linemen in the draft would be a strong addition to this and next season.

That would project to two outside pass rushers and two defensive tackles that are very strong candidates via the draft.

I don't know where a DE will be taken in the draft. Myself, at the top and with a trade down if needed.

The Cowboys board will have to determine BPA, and whether that is additionally a QB...we all shall see in a couple of months

 

[DandyDon1722]

The only thing you can blame the Cowboys for was drafting him because they knew what they were getting. It was obvious to everyone when Gregory tested positive for pot at the combine he has a dependency on it which is why he dropped so far in the draft. Despite the Cowboys support system he once again tested positive. Don't think it's going to end well between Gregory and the team.

It might not end well but it's certainly too early to give up on him.

The scouting report-

Just 24 years old.
A pass rusher with some good raw ability.
Stage 3 substance abuse, the next violation gets him a year suspension.
Selfish player who can't put down the pipe.

The record-

In 2012, he was arrested for failing to appear in court on a driving infraction
In 2013, he was arrested for trying to guy a gun when his background check showed he had a warrant.
In 2013, he was suspended six games for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
He tried to appeal it, but it was upheld and it was discovered that he tried to cheat the drug test.

The player?

Von Miller.

 

[Bullflop]

There's plenty of data reflections. From this season. Greg Hardy, Randy Gregory, Joe Randle, Ro McClain.

Agreed. One can make all kinds of possible excuses for the mind-boggling conduct of the misfits but in the end, those sporting red flags fittingly need to be culled out in the first place. This is one reason why successful teams manage to do so well to begin with -- they take care to pursue those with good character and mental makeup and avoid welcoming the knuckleheads.

 

[CowboyRoy]

ARE YOU DRUNK???
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2597408-bleacher-reports-2015-nfl-all-rookie-team/page/7

An all rookie team with 3 guards eh? He apperently didnt even make a starter in that one. Any others?

So is this all you got? One all rookie team as a backup guard? Started 12 games and was the weak link on the line? Im sorry, but your not very convincing.

Here is NFL.com and nothing for either him or Jones.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000626136

 

[CowboyRoy]

Agreed. One can make all kinds of possible excuses for the mind-boggling conduct of the misfits but in the end, those sporting red flags fittingly need to be culled out in the first place. This is one reason why successful teams manage to do so well to begin with -- they take care to pursue those with good character and mental makeup and avoid welcoming the knuckleheads.

I dont think there is any harm in giving a guy a second chance. Now if you have Tom Brady and you have a great coach like Bellicheck then maybe you can act more picky because you know you are going to be great every year. But for the Cowboys, I believe giving a guy like the Kraken a shot is worth the risk. But after this one year, we can plainly see he is not worth it and he should NOT be resigned. The mistake would be to bring him back this year, not give him a shot last year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

the weak link on the line?

When did we start talking about Doug Free?

 

[CowboyRoy]

jones is not any more disappointed in Gregory than I am him for drafting him.

Lets be realistic here. This guy is not a bad seed. He is just a moron that cant stop smoking weed. Its not like he is getting into fights, trouble with the law. He is a good kid. So what does this guy really have to do? He has to stop smoking weed. Not the biggest obstacle. If he cant do it, then really, that is on him. We owe it to him to support him. One more and he gets suspended for a year. If that happens, then the kid is all but done anyway. Its all up to Gregory now.

 

[CowboyRoy]

When did we start talking about Doug Free?

Now I would have to agree with you. I think Doug Free is the weak link. Certainly going foward. But he graded out higher than Collins his rookie year. Not a big deal. Love Collins and I think he is going to be a pro bowler very soon. But you could have stuck Berdeau or Leary in there and they may have done a similar or better job than the rookie Collins. That was my only point here. Collins was no earth shattering rookie. And neither was Jones or Gregory. If all 3 of those guys sat on the bench their rookie years, this team would have still be 4-12.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure, but the organization takes risks assuming they have the support group to mitigate these risks. It's obvious that they're incapable of doing this. Let's spend resources on real football players.

As I pointed out a player is not going to change unless the player himself want to, it has nothing to do with a support group it has to do with the player themselves. Cowboys can help players those who have been here and seeked help have said as much I think they would know what they are talking about. Those who choose to continue to live a life of partying, drinking or getting high will not change period unless they want to seriously change it starts with them not the Cowboys.

I do agree this is why I feel when getting a player his past behavior should be looked at closely instead all I hear around here is this BS of we don't want choir boys.

 

[bsheeern]

An all rookie team with 3 guards eh? He apperently didnt even make a starter in that one. Any others?

So is this all you got? One all rookie team as a backup guard? Started 12 games and was the weak link on the line? Im sorry, but your not very convincing.

Here is NFL.com and nothing for either him or Jones.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000626136

I Swear man you must drink during the early mornings or you are in a time zone outside the US.

Where do you see 3 Guards????
Winners: Brandon Scherff, Washington Commanders (7 votes); La'el Collins, Dallas Cowboys (5 votes)
Go back and look at the article and actually read it.

You stated that YOU looked at bleacher report and he didn't make their all rookie team. WRONG yet again. (I doubt you even looked)
Then you stated there are 3 guards on this list. WRONG yet again.... ( now I'm wondering what is it that are you drinking that's so toxic)

 

[manster4ever]

Agreed. One can make all kinds of possible excuses for the mind-boggling conduct of the misfits but in the end, those sporting red flags fittingly need to be culled out in the first place. This is one reason why successful teams manage to do so well to begin with -- they take care to pursue those with good character and mental makeup and avoid welcoming the knuckleheads.

Yep. He was trouble in Lincoln with all his dope smoking and SOME guys grow out of that, but most don't. He looks like most right now

 

[Sydla]

It might not end well but it's certainly too early to give up on him.

The scouting report-

Just 24 years old.
A pass rusher with some good raw ability.
Stage 3 substance abuse, the next violation gets him a year suspension.
Selfish player who can't put down the pipe.

The record-

In 2012, he was arrested for failing to appear in court on a driving infraction
In 2013, he was arrested for trying to guy a gun when his background check showed he had a warrant.
In 2013, he was suspended six games for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
He tried to appeal it, but it was upheld and it was discovered that he tried to cheat the drug test.

The player?

Von Miller.

And there were rumors that he had failed a few tests that Denver knew about as well. Additionally, there were rumors he failed a couple of tests at A&M as well.

Gregory is on a very short string now, no question about that. But there's no reason to just cut an uber talented kid like this right now. See if you can get him help, see how the next few months go, and if say in the summer you don't see any real improvement or commitment from him, then sure, you can then think about cutting him (personally, I'd wait at least one full season more before cutting him).

 

[DandyDon1722]

And there were rumors that he had failed a few tests that Denver knew about as well. Additionally, there were rumors he failed a couple of tests at A&M as well.

Gregory is on a very short string now, no question about that. But there's no reason to just cut an uber talented kid like this right now. See if you can get him help, see how the next few months go, and if say in the summer you don't see any real improvement or commitment from him, then sure, you can then think about cutting him (personally, I'd wait at least one full season more before cutting him).

Absolutely right. If they could keep Dez out of trouble they can provide the resources for Gregory. From what I understand he's really not a party guy like Dez, just a smoker. I am optimistic they can save him from himself.

 

[CCBoy]

When did we start talking about Doug Free?

About three years ago?

 

[Bullflop]

Yep. He was trouble in Lincoln with all his dope smoking and SOME guys grow out of that, but most don't. He looks like most right now

I'm reasonably certain they'll do all they can to get him the kind of help he'll need to kick a habit that shouldn't be all that hard to shake. Especially so with all that's at stake like his career in football and all the money and benefits it offers. If he has bipolar disorder as has been reported lately, there are medications that can help remove him from the excessive ups and downs that this disorder entails. The problem comes when many of those with this disorder tend to miss the highs that come to them normally and avoid the medication that'll take them down from it. Then they're sorely desperate for help when the lows take them on a downward spiral that makes them miserable. One of my best friends had that curse. It educated me about it by learning from his problems. My friend was miserable enough during his lows so as to at times be strongly tempted to commit suicide. It's nothing to take lightly nor be considered as undisciplined or stupid. A chemical imbalance is involved.

 

[KJJ]

It might not end well but it's certainly too early to give up on him.

The scouting report-

Just 24 years old.
A pass rusher with some good raw ability.
Stage 3 substance abuse, the next violation gets him a year suspension.
Selfish player who can't put down the pipe.

The record-

In 2012, he was arrested for failing to appear in court on a driving infraction
In 2013, he was arrested for trying to guy a gun when his background check showed he had a warrant.
In 2013, he was suspended six games for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
He tried to appeal it, but it was upheld and it was discovered that he tried to cheat the drug test.

The player?

Von Miller.

Not saying give up on him but it's not going to end well with him. Von Miller didn't test positive at the combine and again after his rookie season. Gregory is stupid and seems bent on ruining his NFL career before it even gets off the ground. He had a disappointing rookie year missing a number of games with an injury and his 4 game suspension to start the 2016 season is going to further impede his development. All the fears about him have come to light and he's going to end up broke in a back alley somewhere looking for ways to get high if someone in his life doesn't get through to him quick.

If that's the way he wants his life to end up he's on the right track. Pot addiction is rare it's something he should be able to get off of unless he can't deal with stress or life's daily challenges without it or maybe it means more to him than playing in the NFL. His pot problem already cost him a lot of money on draft day and it's going to cost him his career if he keeps it up. I'm sure the Cowboys have laid it out with him that one more failed test and it's adios!