News: PFT: Stephen Jones says Cowboys are looking for value, not splash

[Nightman]

Not a matter of cheap I'm tired of over paying for FA who never live up to the price they get. Dallas has done well by getting mid level hungry players as opposed to shooting the wad on over priced players who start coasting after they get what they want. You can have it, I'm glad Cowboys are getting away from that.

There isn't anything to get away from. The only big time FA they have signed is Carr. If they are going to base their entire philosophy off of one failed signing that is very short sighted.

They missed in the draft with Claiborne, should they never draft a top player again
They missed on mid level guys like Livings and Bern
They missed on trades like RWilliams
They missed on signing their own FAs like Austin, Barber, Ratliff, Free and Hamlin
They missed on cheap guys like Costa, Hayden, Weeden and Selvie(year 2)
They missed on the Franchise Tag with Spencer

There are many ways to build a team and they shouldn't give up on any of the methods because they failed in the past.

 

[Doomsday101]

There isn't anything to get away from. The only big time FA they have signed is Carr. If they are going to base their entire philosophy off of one failed signing that is very short sighted.

They missed in the draft with Claiborne, should they never draft a top player again
They missed on mid level guys like Livings and Bern
They missed on trades like RWilliams
They missed on signing their own FAs like Austin, Barber, Ratliff, Free and Hamlin
They missed on cheap guys like Costa, Hayden, Weeden and Selvie(year 2)
They missed on the Franchise Tag with Spencer

There are many ways to build a team and they shouldn't give up on any of the methods because they failed in the past.

I see 2 guys who are top pass rushers one is Suh and no way in hell would I pay him what he is seeking. The other Hardy who is dealing with off the field issues, if Dallas could swing a deal with Hardy without over paying great but I think throwing money around is not going to win us anything. Being smart with the resources you have strengthen more than 1 area and providing quality backup will go much further than 1 player. I think there are some guys who could provide more of a pass rush than we have currently and could be brought in on a good deal.

 

[cowboyvic]

I see 2 guys who are top pass rushers one is Suh and no way in hell would I pay him what he is seeking. The other Hardy who is dealing with off the field issues, if Dallas could swing a deal with Hardy without over paying great but I think throwing money around is not going to win us anything. Being smart with the resources you have strengthen more than 1 area and providing quality backup will go much further than 1 player. I think there are some guys who could provide more of a pass rush than we have currently and could be brought in on a good deal.

Yea let's go into the season with no pass rush again. we had no pass rush this past season. that's why Rodgers beat us on one leg. NO PASS RUSH WILL GET YOU BEAT!

 

[skinsscalper]

I'm referring to the Minceys of the team.

You mean the same Mincey that produced 6 sacks with a $2.2 million cap hit? Every GM in the league would race to the phone for that deal. Remind me again who the dominant pass rushers were for the Patriots or Seahawks. Hell, who was that dominating pass rusher for the Colts again, damn his name slips my mind....................

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for improving the pass rush. Sign me up. But every poster who references the Mincey deal and somehow manages to try and use that as an illustration of a bad signing is just flexing their ignorance. It's that simple.

 

[cowboyvic]

You mean the same Mincey that produced 6 sacks with a $2.2 million cap hit? Every GM in the league would race to the phone for that deal. Remind me again who the dominant pass rushers were for the Patriots or Seahawks. Hell, who was that dominating pass rusher for the Colts again, damn his name slips my mind....................

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for improving the pass rush. Sign me up. But every poster who references the Mincey deal and somehow manages to try and use that as an illustration of a bad signing is just flexing their ignorance. It's that simple.

Mincy or no Mincy. this team had very little pass rush this past season. and it caught up to them in the playoffs. you have to have players up front who can create pressure on the QB.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So much for "all in".

 

[Doomsday101]

Yea let's go into the season with no pass rush again. we had no pass rush this past season. that's why Rodgers beat us on one leg. NO PASS RUSH WILL GET YOU BEAT!

Dallas had no pass rush and went 12-4. I want to improve the pass rush never said I didn't I sure as hell do not want to over pay for a player. Suh is sure as hell not worth what he is demanding as for Hardy I have not heard any figures. Let see where the bidding starts but again I think there are limits to what Dallas should do

 

[cowboyvic]

Denver and everyone is freeing up money to get more cap space.but the Cowboys are not. in fact when they franchised Dez, that took up almost all the 19 million cap space the team had. notice you don't see the cowboys in a hurry to clear cap space. they don't plan to do much of anything in Free-Agency.

 

[skinsscalper]

Mincy or no Mincy. this team had very little pass rush this past season. and it caught up to them in the playoffs. you have to have players up front who can create pressure on the QB.

I absolutely agree. 100%. My point is that several people on this board have referenced Mincey in parallel to a bad signing. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Like I said before every GM in the league would have had fire coming out of their *** racing for the phone if they had known that they could have added 6 sacks to their team for $2.2 million. The Summer's Eve crew somehow manages to use that as a launching point as a bad signing when nothing could be farther from the truth. Lest we all forget that we were tight against the cap last year and had to make some major adjustments just to field a defense at all. We had to release Ware who, by the way, managed a whopping 40 tackles (7 of them assists and 10 of the sacks) banked $13 million+ IIRC. Hmm let's see........6 sacks for $2.2 million or 10 sacks for $13 million plus? Yeah that Mincey was a horrible signing.

 

[skinsscalper]

Denver and everyone is freeing up money to get more cap space.but the Cowboys are not. in fact when they franchised Dez, that took up almost all the 19 million cap space the team had. notice you don't see the cowboys in a hurry to clear cap space. they don't plan to do much of anything in Free-Agency.

And they won't until they have to. They can create space in a matter of minutes with teh stroke of a pen and fax to the league office. If the right deal comes around they'll have enough cap space in the wink of an eye but why create the cap space when you don't have to? The Cowboys have an idea of what they will spend and on whom. If a deal comes around that's favorable to the team it will get done and it has nothing to do with the current cap space available.

Peyton restructured his deal because he knows if he doesn't that he's a goner on Denver. They weren't going to pay him that much this season one way or the other. Elway already said this off-season that they are prepared to go into next season with Brock Osweiler (sp?) as the starter. That's when Peyton was still mulling retirement. It was a subtle shot across the bow to Peyton and his reps that it wasn't an all Peyton or nothing approach this year.

 

[cowboyvic]

I absolutely agree. 100%. My point is that several people on this board have referenced Mincey in parallel to a bad signing. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Like I said before every GM in the league would have had fire coming out of their *** racing for the phone if they had known that they could have added 6 sacks to their team for $2.2 million. The Summer's Eve crew somehow manages to use that as a launching point as a bad signing when nothing could be farther from the truth. Lest we all forget that we were tight against the cap last year and had to make some major adjustments just to field a defense at all. We had to release Ware who, by the way, managed a whopping 40 tackles (7 of them assists and 10 of the sacks) banked $13 million+ IIRC. Hmm let's see........6 sacks for $2.2 million or 10 sacks for $13 million plus? Yeah that Mincey was a horrible signing.

This team is so close to winning it all. but the people in charge don't seem willing to all out for it. Hardy of Suh, should be top options. but we are not clearing any money to make that happen. which means no big time F-Agent help again this year.

 

[skinsscalper]

This team is so close to winning it all. but the people in charge don't seem willing to all out for it. Hardy of Suh, should be top options. but we are not clearing any money to make that happen. which means no big time F-Agent help again this year.

No need to clear cap space until it's needed. It's the stroke of a pen not rocket surgery.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Anyone else miss the days when free agency started and we tracked Jerry's plane? Good times.

 

[DoctorChicken]

You mean the same Mincey that produced 6 sacks with a $2.2 million cap hit? Every GM in the league would race to the phone for that deal. Remind me again who the dominant pass rushers were for the Patriots or Seahawks. Hell, who was that dominating pass rusher for the Colts again, damn his name slips my mind....................

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for improving the pass rush. Sign me up. But every poster who references the Mincey deal and somehow manages to try and use that as an illustration of a bad signing is just flexing their ignorance. It's that simple.

I'm just fine with Mincey as a rotational guy.

He should not be a starting DE.

 

[cowboyvic]

Anyone else miss the days when free agency started and we tracked Jerry's plane? Good times.

Yes i do miss those days. looks like after the mistake of Brandon Carr, those days are never coming back. it's going to be players like Mincy or no one. i just don't think players like this can put a team over the top. i really don't.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Anyone else miss the days when free agency started and we tracked Jerry's plane? Good times.

Made for some interesting threads.

 

[Seven]

Way to be Stevie.

You keep pops filled to the brim.............

 

[skinsscalper]

I'm just fine with Mincey as a rotational guy.

He should not be a starting DE.

I hear ya bro. I do. I'm just sick of people referencing Mincey as a bad signing or even a bad addition to the squad. It's simply not true. I would LOVE to add some fire to the pass rush. I'm also fine with having a guy with cheap contracts on the team that are producing 60% of what the biggest FA pass rusher last year did at roughly 17% of the cost.

 

[Nightman]

No need to clear cap space until it's needed. It's the stroke of a pen not rocket surgery.

You can roll over any unused cap space. It is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not be able to get it. Once the season starts it's a lot harder to create cap space.

 

[LatinMind]

Journeymen level of additions have often proved to be productive for the Cowboys. If realistic, strength in a rotational sound group makes a lot of sense as well as doable with concerns of cap developments.

Last yr they went after melton and allen, they arent Jag's. They had to settle for Mincey because of money restrictions. I dont expect them to go after Jerry Hughes or Devin McCourty or Suh or Fairley. But going after Sheard or Graham would be more value then splash. Solid vets with a medium price tag. At a spot they need and wouldnt have to rely on the draft to fill it.