PFT: Union asks Commish to reduce Pacman's Sentence

[theogt]

such as?

Establish clear policies regarding severity and only punish those according to the policies in place at the time of the actions.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Sigh this is truly pathetic. Why can't he be a man, take his punshiment, and move on. He did the crime, now do the time

I agree, because of this noise, the league should ban him "in best interest of the league".

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's not necessarily about severity of punishment, but rather about the process. Goodell could have instituted infinitely better process without any trouble whatsoever, but he didn't seem to care.

Pretty much what ive been saying. Instead of just going with the rabid fanbase do whats right. I have no idea what i would want done specifically. I would need to see a list of penalies and transgressions from the past.

What i find really funny in all this is I have never said that I do not believe that Jones should not be punished but rather he be punished fairly.

What i really really find funny is the quote of a precedent where an employer cannot just be arbitrary despite the legal scholars of this board saying otherwise.

Goodell better do something or hes going to have a lawsuit on his hands and rightfully so.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Pretty much what ive been saying. Instead of just going with the rabid fanbase do whats right. I have no idea what i would want done specifically. I would need to see a list of penalies and transgressions from the past.

What i find really funny in all this is I have never said that I do not believe that Jones should not be punished but rather he be punished fairly.

What i really really find funny is the quote of a precedent where an employer cannot just be arbitrary despite the legal scholars of this board saying otherwise.

Goodell better do something or hes going to have a lawsuit on his hands and rightfully so.

no he's not, he's not violating any rights, not breaking any laws

of course there will be idiots who think they have a case, but it won't go very far

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Pretty much what ive been saying. Instead of just going with the rabid fanbase do whats right. I have no idea what i would want done specifically. I would need to see a list of penalies and transgressions from the past.

What i find really funny in all this is I have never said that I do not believe that Jones should not be punished but rather he be punished fairly.

What i really really find funny is the quote of a precedent where an employer cannot just be arbitrary despite the legal scholars of this board saying otherwise.

Goodell better do something or hes going to have a lawsuit on his hands and rightfully so.

The problem, as I see it, is that the NFL doesn't want to fall back on what has happened traditionally. What has been done in the past is clearly not having the effect the league would like it to have. I think this is why Goodell is not looking at what has happened in the past and sort of setting a new standard, if you will.

To me, Goodell has already done something. He has raised the price of poker and I seriously doubt if he is worried about lawsuits. I have to believe that this was pretty well thought out prior to it's inception.

 

[Doomsday101]

The problem, as I see it, is that the NFL doesn't want to fall back on what has happened traditionally. What has been done in the past is clearly not having the effect the league would like it to have. I think this is why Goodell is not looking at what has happened in the past and sort of setting a new standard, if you will.

To me, Goodell has already done something. He has raised the price of poker and I seriously doubt if he is worried about lawsuits. I have to believe that this was pretty well thought out prior to it's inception.

I agree with you.

 

[theogt]

The problem, as I see it, is that the NFL doesn't want to fall back on what has happened traditionally. What has been done in the past is clearly not having the effect the league would like it to have. I think this is why Goodell is not looking at what has happened in the past and sort of setting a new standard, if you will.

To me, Goodell has already done something. He has raised the price of poker and I seriously doubt if he is worried about lawsuits. I have to believe that this was pretty well thought out prior to it's inception.

If he wanted to minimize the potential for lawsuits, he went about this whole ordeal in the worst possible way.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree with you.

Hey Dooms, how's it going this afternoon?


Good Lord I hate the off season. :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

Hey Dooms, how's it going this afternoon?


Good Lord I hate the off season. :laugh2:

Doing good
as for the off season, It just makes me appreciate the season when it gets here. What is the old saying "Absence Makes The Heart Grow Fonder" :laugh2:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

no he's not, he's not violating any rights, not breaking any laws

of course there will be idiots who think they have a case, but it won't go very far

Now I realize that you take time to grasp things summer so im going to quote the two salient points in the NFLPA arguments.

It says that Jones was disciplined under the 2006 Personal Conduct Policy that “clearly provides that a player will not be disciplined until the player is ‘convicted of or admit(s) to a criminal violation.’”

The letter also alleges that the punishment is a violation of “clearly established principles of employment and labor law.” It quotes Elkouri & Elkouri that “An employee must receive clear notice of both what the employer expects as well as the range of penalties to be imposed for failing to meet the employer’s expectations.”

The first is a violation of contract which is able to be litigated. The second is a violation of a precedented interpretation of labor law. Its sitting there bright as day.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The first is a violation of contract which is able to be litigated.

what you have quoted is under the old law, the new law doesn't require a conviction

The second is a violation of a precedented interpretation of labor law. Its sitting there bright as day.

the labor law doesn't protect law-breakers

if you break the law while under employment, you pay the penalty, which isn't just dealt through the courts, but is also meted out by your employers

just like if I was caught selling drugs at my job, I would get arrested, and then fired, or viceversa

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

To me, Goodell has already done something. He has raised the price of poker and I seriously doubt if he is worried about lawsuits. I have to believe that this was pretty well thought out prior to it's inception.

if he is not worried bout a lawsuit then he is foolish. if goodell plays chicken with this and loses in court then he is opening up a whole ball of mess.

it would be a legal precendent for a legal court to decide league discipline or even jeopardize the entire CBA.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

what you have quoted is under the old law, the new law doesn't require a conviction



the labor law doesn't protect law-breakers

the punishments were handed down under the old system.

and youre right labor laws protect employees. jones is an employee. perhaps you dont like or more likely dont understand equal protection but I and many others hold it very dear.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you added in an old rehash of an old baseless argument. goodell cannot be arbitrary and has to follow clear punishment guidelines that the employee must be privy too. he cannot just make up punishments to please the DVS.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

the punishments were handed down under the old system.

no, the new one

and youre right labor laws protect employees. jones is an employee. perhaps you dont like or more likely dont understand equal protection but I and many others hold it very dear.

labor laws don't protect employees who break the law

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you added in an old rehash of an old baseless argument. goodell cannot be arbitrary and has to follow clear punishment guidelines that the employee must be privy too. he cannot just make up punishments to please the DVS.

the employees were privy to Goodell's new plan, it's just an extension of the old plan, but w/ stiffer penalties and more guidelines

 

[WoodysGirl]

the punishments were handed down under the old system.

and youre right labor laws protect employees. jones is an employee. perhaps you dont like or more likely dont understand equal protection but I and many others hold it very dear.

According to the CBA, he can. They agreed to it being at the discretion of the Commish.

Their bad.

 

[lockster]

The NFL being a private entity can do whatever it wants it legally. With that being said. I personally think ppls. private lives should be just that. He has been a great player on the field. Not that I think his off field issues aren't a problem. But I want to watch the greatest athletes in the world compete not the ones that the NFL says, I'll let you play, I guess. If the judgement of the people is not to imprison the guy, then why shouldn't he be able to play at a game that he has played fairly, and worthy of being a star. The problem with americans is that they don't ever realize their own faults and deficiencies. And somehow turn hypocritical and forget all of their mistakes especially at such a young age. Man, punishment should be to help not to knock the living #$##$ out of someone and ruin their lives in so many ways and in such a permanent way! It should be about helping people turn their lives around and helping them get that accomplished! When does punishment end? In america, it doesn't. Commit a felony, and you can pretty much kiss any good job working for someone else goodbye, no matter how easily or unintentionally, it was to get to that point. Don't forget it's easier and easier to commit a crime today than 30 years ago. New laws are enacted everyday at an alarming rate!! Ask those hall of famers about all things they use to do a few years ago after hours. Heck, the pro athlete is a target to all the greedy and glory seeking americans that haven't accomplished enough with their own life so that they feel some need to get it from the professional athlete. Ask Ray Lewis!! If this trend continues, only priests and pastors will be able to play in the NFL. I dread the day, but see it on the horixzon!!
HE WHO RULES LEAST RULES BEST!!!!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If he wanted to minimize the potential for lawsuits, he went about this whole ordeal in the worst possible way.

I would not be surprised if the whole point of this thing was to challenge these players, if you will. For all we know, that might not be such a bad thing in the eyes of the NFL. If you get these things challenged and your confident in your position, you probably discourage future challenges from players. All of a sudden, the penalties handed down have real teeth to them when the perception is that it's not going to be overturned.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

btw, fuzzy, I wouldn't want to incorporate a lawsuit that didn't win into my argument