PFT: Wade might not last long

[Hypnotoad]

I am THIS close from removing PFT from my bookmarks. They never have anything about us nor the NFC east. And whenever they have anything its to trash us and jump on the bash TO bandwagon.

I must mention, Out of all the divisions the NFC east is the only one without any turd points.

 

[CF74]

POSTED 8:17 a.m. EDT, May 16, 2007

WADE MIGHT NOT LAST LONG

Though there's currently a love-fest happening between Cowboys players and their new coach Wade Phillips, there also is persistent talk in league circles that Phillips might not last long in the job.

There's a strong belief in some quarters that, if the Cowboys falter in 2007, Phillips will get the heave-ho -- and owner Jerry Jones will then pursue former Steelers coach Bill Cowher.

Whether Cowher and Jones can coexist is a legitimate question, however. Jones presumably has had his fill of hard-headed coaches, with Bill Parcells more recently and Jimmy Johnson a decade ago. But, in the end, Jones wants to win, and Cowher has shown that, despite regular roster changes in Pittsburgh, he can always get his teams ready to compete.

We're also hearing that Jones doesn't care much for the recent sound bites regarding Phillips' reputation for being a "players' coach." The thinking is that being a "players' coach" caused Wade to fail in two prior head-coaching stints, and we're hearing that Jones would prefer that Phillips be a little tougher on the Cowboys than he has been in past NFL stops.

I hate this rumor...:bang2:

 

[big dog cowboy]

I am THIS close from removing PFT from my bookmarks.

You can do better. Delete asap.

 

[TNCowboy]

Hold on a sec.... before it came down to re-signing players... they LOST playoff games in bunches.... AFC title games at home... the players were STILL on the team when THEY LOST all those playoff games and the SuperBowl to us.... AND if not for the Zebra's - THEY LOSE the last SB.

I aint now and never have bought off on that excuse and the love for Cowher.

Buy off or not, Cowher's an exceptional coach. He was with one of the NFL's cheapest franchises for 15 years, made the playoffs 10 times, won a super bowl, and averaged 10 wins a season. IIRC, no other team won as many games as the Steelers did during Cowher's time there. All the while being held back by the notoriously cheap Rooney's. Other franchises could load up on free agents, but Cowher was usually stuck with the guys they drafted, and often had to watch the good ones leave after 4 or 5 seasons.

When he gets the largest salary ever paid to a head coach next season, it'll be obvious how talented owners think he is.

 

[AbeBeta]

Nothing. Because Garrett pretty much knows that he's next in line for the Dallas HC position if he does well (which is when other teams come sniffing).

He's got ties to the Giants as well. Don't assume that because he's here that this is some sort of dream job that he'd pass up another job for. He'd be stupid to say no. Those opportunities don't come along often.

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

Wow. Already talk of Wade getting the axe? Hell, Tony Banks was on the Cowboys roster longer before he got cut.

 

[AbeBeta]

Wow. Already talk of Wade getting the axe? Hell, Tony Banks was on the Cowboys roster longer before he got cut.

see this post a couple of months ago

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1417105&postcount=7

 

[Silverstar]

POSTED 8:17 a.m. EDT, May 16, 2007

WADE MIGHT NOT LAST LONG

Though there's currently a love-fest happening between Cowboys players and their new coach Wade Phillips, there also is persistent talk in league circles that Phillips might not last long in the job.

There's a strong belief in some quarters that, if the Cowboys falter in 2007, Phillips will get the heave-ho -- and owner Jerry Jones will then pursue former Steelers coach Bill Cowher.

Whether Cowher and Jones can coexist is a legitimate question, however. Jones presumably has had his fill of hard-headed coaches, with Bill Parcells more recently and Jimmy Johnson a decade ago. But, in the end, Jones wants to win, and Cowher has shown that, despite regular roster changes in Pittsburgh, he can always get his teams ready to compete.

We're also hearing that Jones doesn't care much for the recent sound bites regarding Phillips' reputation for being a "players' coach." The thinking is that being a "players' coach" caused Wade to fail in two prior head-coaching stints, and we're hearing that Jones would prefer that Phillips be a little tougher on the Cowboys than he has been in past NFL stops.

Just another insignificant piece of tripe.

Complete hearsay.

 

[SultanOfSix]

He's got ties to the Giants as well. Don't assume that because he's here that this is some sort of dream job that he'd pass up another job for. He'd be stupid to say no. Those opportunities don't come along often.

So. He's got much stronger ties to the Cowboys. What's your point?

If given the opportunity to coach the Giants or the Cowboys, I'm 99.99% certain Garrett would choose the Cowboys.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

He's got ties to the Giants as well. Don't assume that because he's here that this is some sort of dream job that he'd pass up another job for. He'd be stupid to say no. Those opportunities don't come along often.

'Cowboy' comes home.... then leaves to coach the Giants... I dont think so.... He is biased. Dallas is his dream team.... coaching the Cowboys WOULD be his dream job...

I believe if he were offered Giants job next year... he would turn it down... knowing that he could get Cowboys HC job a year or two after that....

 

[Doctor32]

one mini camp and he is fired?

wow.

Besides cowher is going to be running the good ship cleveland browns in a year or two.

Theebs is always a solid voice of reason.

If the 'Boys even sniff 3/4ths of what San Diego Defense did last year by way of QB pressure, they will be very tough to beat - anywhere. Let's get to Thanksgiving before we talk of firing Wade, or how long he will last. Good Lord it's MAY!

 

[AbeBeta]

So. He's got much stronger ties to the Cowboys. What's your point?

If given the opportunity to coach the Giants or the Cowboys, I'm 99.99% certain Garrett would choose the Cowboys.

You are moving away from the original point -- my point was the if next year the Giants -- or even some other team -- wants to make Garrett the Head Coach it will be very difficult for him to pass that up when what the Cowboys would be offering was not a HC job for 2008 but a HC job PROMISE sometime in the future. That is a completely uneven playing field.

What you miss is that most owners/gms would never make that sort of promise -- unless they were dealing with a situation wherein the coach had been there for a long while, had hand-picked his successor, and had a definite timetable for retirement.

Do you REALLY think it is a good idea to promise Garrett a position with Wade still as the HC. You don't think that creates some sort of division? Keep in mind that Wade likely wants to coach another 6-8 years. He doesn't want to be a lame duck. And I don't think any young coach would want to be in that position.

 

[AbeBeta]

'Cowboy' comes home.... then leaves to coach the Giants... I dont think so.... He is biased. Dallas is his dream team.... coaching the Cowboys WOULD be his dream job...

I believe if he were offered Giants job next year... he would turn it down... knowing that he could get Cowboys HC job a year or two after that....

Tell me, would you prefer a RB who WANTED to be a backup for a few more years before moving on to be a starter or a guy who wants to start NOW?

HC jobs are hard to come by. Thinking that someone is going to pass a good one up for a chance with another team later isn't realistic.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Tell me, would you prefer a RB who WANTED to be a backup for a few more years before moving on to be a starter or a guy who wants to start NOW?

HC jobs are hard to come by. Thinking that someone is going to pass a good one up for a chance with another team later isn't realistic.

RB is not a good analogy IMO.

I think Garrett's situation is unique. Special. So, Yes I think its realistic.

Players/coaches have OFTEN talked about the Cowboys organization as a DREAM job and I believe they mean it.

Did Whisenhunt say that becoming HC of the Cardinals was a lifelong dream job? I think not.... he took it because it was there... Garrett has atleast 2 choices... Gianst and Cowboys... he will take or wait for the latter IMO

 

[AbeBeta]

RB is not a good analogy IMO.

I think Garrett's situation is unique. Special. So, Yes I think its realistic.

Players/coaches have OFTEN talked about the Cowboys organization as a DREAM job and I believe they mean it.

Did Whisenhunt say that becoming HC of the Cardinals was a lifelong dream job? I think not.... he took it because it was there... Garrett has atleast 2 choices... Gianst and Cowboys... he will take or wait for the latter IMO

But you are ignoring the Wade angle -- Do you honestly think Wade would be at all happy knowing that regardless of his performance, he'd be out the door after the 2nd or 3rd year of his contract? If he was highly successful and then not retained, how do you think the defensive players would react if a successful Wade got canned? What if Wade gets us to the SB 2 or 3 times? Could you really justify not extending his contract?

 

[WV Cowboy]

But you are ignoring the Wade angle -- Do you honestly think Wade would be at all happy knowing that regardless of his performance, he'd be out the door after the 2nd or 3rd year of his contract? If he was highly successful and then not retained, how do you think the defensive players would react if a successful Wade got canned? What if Wade gets us to the SB 2 or 3 times? Could you really justify not extending his contract?

I agree, if Wade wins a Super Bowl, it would be hard for Jerry to change coaches.

And stupid.

 

[Vintage]

But you are ignoring the Wade angle -- Do you honestly think Wade would be at all happy knowing that regardless of his performance, he'd be out the door after the 2nd or 3rd year of his contract? If he was highly successful and then not retained, how do you think the defensive players would react if a successful Wade got canned? What if Wade gets us to the SB 2 or 3 times? Could you really justify not extending his contract?

That would be a GOOD problem to have.

In other words, why even worry about this? We'll either be fortunate enough to have this problem or we'll need a replacement for Wade in a couple of years.

 

[AbeBeta]

I agree, if Wade wins a Super Bowl, it would be hard for Jerry to change coaches.

And stupid.

And that's exactly the situation where Garrett is going to draw lots of interest for vacant HC positions.

 

[SultanOfSix]

You are moving away from the original point -- my point was the if next year the Giants -- or even some other team -- wants to make Garrett the Head Coach it will be very difficult for him to pass that up when what the Cowboys would be offering was not a HC job for 2008 but a HC job PROMISE sometime in the future. That is a completely uneven playing field.

What you miss is that most owners/gms would never make that sort of promise -- unless they were dealing with a situation wherein the coach had been there for a long while, had hand-picked his successor, and had a definite timetable for retirement.

Do you REALLY think it is a good idea to promise Garrett a position with Wade still as the HC. You don't think that creates some sort of division? Keep in mind that Wade likely wants to coach another 6-8 years. He doesn't want to be a lame duck. And I don't think any young coach would want to be in that position.

Jerry Jones isn't your ordinary GM. He hired Garrett with the intention that he would be the future HC, and that is why he gave Wade a 3 yr contract.

I don't see Wade staying past his contract term. Either he's outstanding and wins 1-2 SBs and retires a success. Or he fails, and then leaves and Garrett takes over.

Now, if Garret isn't as good as advertised, then suitors for a head coaching vacancy won't come knocking. So, the point is moot.

I'm willing to bet if Garrett is as good as JJ thinks he is, he's not going to let him go anywhere, because he's going to make sure that he is the head coach of the Cowboys within a few years, because there is strong evidence pointing to the notion that was his original intention anyways.

There is the possibility that Wade will simply be outstanding and want to continue coaching. Then there wouldn't be a problem if Garrett left for a HC position elsewhere.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

But you are ignoring the Wade angle -- Do you honestly think Wade would be at all happy knowing that regardless of his performance, he'd be out the door after the 2nd or 3rd year of his contract? If he was highly successful and then not retained, how do you think the defensive players would react if a successful Wade got canned? What if Wade gets us to the SB 2 or 3 times? Could you really justify not extending his contract?

Did you forget that Jimmy Johnson was let go after winning back to back SB's?....

I hear ya... but... Wade has no leverage... its Jerry's show... Wade is just one of the acts...thats reality. Jerry doesnt care if Wade is happy? Jerry wants/needs wins...