PFW: 10 free agents to watch

[MichaelWinicki]

Ratliff is not better than Ferg, he wouldn't be starting if Ferg wasn't injured

I bet right now there are a lot of people that think Ratliff is playing the nose better than Ferguson.

And what do you think after being gone a year and being a year older? That Ferguson is going to improve? Not at his age. Jebus Bob this isn't wine we're talking about.

 

[Rack]

Why would we need a FA NT?

I'm thinking Tank and Ratliff will be our NT next season.

As well as Ferguson has played why would want to basically bench Ratliff? I mean you aren't going to bench Spears or Canty for Ratliff (as much as I'd like to see Spears benched ).

And are you going to pay Ferguson $4 mill to ride the bench? I don't think so.

An in shape "Tank" is also better than Ferguson.

Ratliff is a better DE then NG. Wade said himself he almost started Ratliff at DE this year. It would be better to keep Ferg (you are severely underrating him) at NG rotating with Tank, and start/rotate Ratliff with Spears.

Don't know why anyone would think Ratliff is better then Canty. If he's gonna start at DE, it'd be in place of Spears, not Canty.

That's not exactly what Wade said...


With Ellis playing more 3-4 DE and Tank here-- Ferguson has become expendable. Especially at his age and salary.

Since when has Ellis been playing 3-4 DE?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He's not that good.

And he'll be that much older come next season.

My God, Joe Fans don't think these guys (30 some year-old football players) will ever wear out.

he's pretty good that he would be starting over a pretty good player

NTs can play quite a long time

 

[MichaelWinicki]

he's pretty good that he would be starting over a pretty good player

NTs can play quite a long time

We heard the same thing about guards... *cough*Rivera*cough*

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I bet right now there are a lot of people that think Ratliff is playing the nose better than Ferguson.

Michael Myers is a better NT than Ferg is right now

Ferg is injured

And what do you think after being gone a year and being a year older? That Ferguson is going to improve? Not at his age. Jebus Bob this isn't wine we're talking about.

Ferg doesnt' need to improve, and his skills aren't going to drastically decrease

 

[Rack]

We heard the same thing about guards... *cough*Rivera*cough*

Rivera's ineffectiveness was due to a back injury, not his age.


And NG's DO play a long time in the NFL. In no way is Ferguson "old" by nose guard standards.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ratliff is a better DE then NG. Wade said himself he almost started Ratliff at DE this year. It would be better to keep Ferg (you are severely underrating him) at NG rotating with Tank, and start/rotate Ratliff with Spears.

Don't know why anyone would think Ratliff is better then Canty. If he's gonna start at DE, it'd be in place of Spears, not Canty.

it's pretty simple actually, Ratliff is better against the run, at worst comparable, and is a much better pass-rusher

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Ratliff is a better DE then NG. Wade said himself he almost started Ratliff at DE this year. It would be better to keep Ferg (you are severely underrating him) at NG rotating with Tank, and start/rotate Ratliff with Spears.

Don't know why anyone would think Ratliff is better then Canty. If he's gonna start at DE, it'd be in place of Spears, not Canty.

Who says Ratliff is better at the DE than he is at NT?


I don't know why anyone would think Ratliff is better than Canty.


And remember... Ferguson is coming off of a major injury and is a year older.

Since when has Ellis been playing 3-4 DE?

I never said, "3-4 DE". I said, DE. Ellis has been playing some DE in a 4-man front.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We heard the same thing about guards... *cough*Rivera*cough*

*cough* back *cough*

have you touched weights before? it's pretty hard to lift when your back is out of wack, and that's a death-knell for a OG who relies on finesse cuz he has even less strength, which pretty much did Rivera in

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Rivera's ineffectiveness was due to a back injury, not his age.


And NG's DO play a long time in the NFL. In no way is Ferguson "old" by nose guard standards.

Who says this isn't the start of Ferguson's body breaking down?

This was a major injury Rack.

And different players break down at different points. Ferguson is 30 some years old... there is no hiding that fact as much as you want to think he just jumped out of the fountain of youth and he will have been away from the game for almost a year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Who says Ratliff is better at the DE than he is at NT?

drafted to play DE, I wouldn't say though that he's a better DE than NT, he's just not big enough to play alot of snaps at NT, but he can play it quite well, which was why Phillips was so confident w/ him being his backup NT

I don't know why anyone would think Ratliff is better than Canty.

it's not rocket science, Ratliff plays the run better, and can penetrate better

And remember... Ferguson is coming off of a major injury and is a year older.

a torn biceps isn't a major injury, we're not talking ACL here, Pete Kendall suffered a biceps injury last year, and he's fine now

 

[MichaelWinicki]

*cough* back *cough*

have you touched weights before? it's pretty hard to lift when your back is out of wack, and that's a death-knell for a OG who relies on finesse cuz he has even less strength, which pretty much did Rivera in

How do you know Ferguson's body isn't breaking down? He suffered a major injury.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

drafted to play DE, I wouldn't say though that he's a better DE than NT, he's just not big enough to play alot of snaps at NT, but he can play it quite well, which was why Phillips was so confident w/ him being his backup NT



it's not rocket science, Ratliff plays the run better, and can penetrate better




a torn biceps isn't a major injury, we're not talking ACL here, Pete Kendall suffered a biceps injury last year, and he's fine now

The injury knocked Ferguson out for the year-- that's major in my book.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

drafted to play DE, I wouldn't say though that he's a better DE than NT, he's just not big enough to play alot of snaps at NT, but he can play it quite well, which was why Phillips was so confident w/ him being his backup NT



it's not rocket science, Ratliff plays the run better, and can penetrate better




a torn biceps isn't a major injury, we're not talking ACL here, Pete Kendall suffered a biceps injury last year, and he's fine now

And I don't know where you're getting your perception of Canty from.

You must watch different games.

 

[Doomsday]

Randy Moss is the most dominant, game-changing offensive player ever. He is the only player who opposing coaches and players genuinely fear. I would sign him in a heartbeat. It was predictable that he would resume his dominant play once he got out of purgatory in Oakland.

I would let Glenn and Crayton walk, (although I really love Crayton and would welcome him as the 3rd receiver),and I would sign Moss. For those that say he and T.O. couldn't get along, I disagree. They are perfect compliments to each other with T.O. running the crossing routes and Moss running the deep routes.

I can't even imagine how good our offense would be if we added Moss. Just say hello to #6 and #7. :lombardi:

I was just going to post the same thing, only I couldnt of said it as well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How do you know Ferguson's body isn't breaking down? He suffered a major injury.

a biceps injury isn't a yearly, lingering injury, he'll probably feel no signs of it next year, which is probably why they put him on IR, they didn't want to risk him re-injuring it this year, where it would be a major injury

and right back at you, how do you know his body is breaking down?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

a biceps injury isn't a yearly, lingering injury, he'll probably feel no signs of it next year, which is probably why they put him on IR, they didn't want to risk him re-injuring it this year, where it would be a major injury

and right back at you, how do you know his body is breaking down?

That's easy Bob.

I see a player of his age whose just missed virtually the whole season.

Like I said before 30 year-olds don't suddenly get healthier.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And I don't know where you're getting your perception of Canty from.

You must watch different games.

I watch the same games you do and I see a more explosive up-field player in Ratliff

and he's playing NT, instead of Canty, so that pretty much speaks to his against the run-abilities being better

I also said that Ratliff could beat out Canty and/OR Spears

 

[Big Dakota]

How do you know Ferguson's body isn't breaking down? He suffered a major injury.

A torn biceps is usually a 4-6 month injury before you can lift, depending on the severity. It's a bad injury but not career ending by any means. Not sure if you remember Bill talking about Fergy in one of his PCs. He compared Fregy to an old Merc. He said it's in his legs and that the guy could probably play till he's 40 if he wanted too. I know he had a torn rotator with the Jets, and now the biceps. I don't think he's ever had a major injury to his legs. I don't think this will slow him down and as far as him breaking down, i saw no evidence of that before the injury. This amounts to a year off for the guy. He'll probably be fresher than he's been in years after he gets in shape.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's easy Bob.

I see a player of his age whose just missed virtually the whole season.

Like I said before 30 year-olds don't suddenly get healthier.

tearing a major muscle such as a bicep, usually takes awhile to heal

again, this injury won't affect Ferg in the future if it's given proper time to heal, which it is