Philosophical question for the day...

[Yakuza Rich]

How about a non-call?

It happened against Wade Phillips Bills against the Titans on the forward pass during a kick return. I think it was dubbed "The Music City Miracle".

Probably not the greatest example. Physicists have studied it and their conclusion from research and analysis was that it was indeed a legal lateral. Barely, but still legal. However, if the refs called it an illegal lateral, I doubt replay would've overturned it.




YAKUZA

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Excluding a bad call by a ref, is there such a thing as a team losing a game it should have won or do they lose the game because well, they lost.

I think a team can clearly lose a game it should have won. Think about that famous NYG/Philthy game where the G's only had to run out the clock but their QB fumbled the snap and Herm Edwards took it in for the winning score.

 

[mmohican29]

see Steelers Seattle Superbowl

also see Cards Steelers superbowl last season.

when a play comes down to THE call then yes, and yes.

Ohio State was handed the national championship on a horrific call. Give the Buckeyes credit for hanging in there and outlasting Miami in OT, but the game was indeed DECIDED on the field in regulation time by the Hurricanes and was stolen from them outright.

 

[Juke99]

I think a team can clearly lose a game it should have won. Think about that famous NYG/Philthy game where the G's only had to run out the clock but their QB fumbled the snap and Herm Edwards took it in for the winning score.

But isn't that bad playing calling and poor execution? And given that, shouldn't they have lost because of it?

 

[Temo]

Sure there is. Luck plays a huge factor in a ton of sports, and football is no exception.

 

[Future]

I'd say the Cowboys should have won over half the games that they have lost over the last couple years.

 

[jobberone]

Again SB V

The 1980 NFC Championship game. No one will ever convince me that Montana wasn't trying to throw that ball away and avoid the sack.

 

[jackrussell]

when a play comes down to THE call then yes, and yes.

Ohio State was handed the national championship on a horrific call. Give the Buckeyes credit for hanging in there and outlasting Miami in OT, but the game was indeed DECIDED on the field in regulation time by the Hurricanes and was stolen from them outright.

Revisionists. Watch the end of regulation again and then tell me who got screwed.

You lost. Twice in the same game. Get over it.

 

[Hostile]

Excluding a bad call by a ref, is there such a thing as a team losing a game it should have won or do they lose the game because well, they lost.

Of course a team can lose a game it should have won. They can lose on a miracle play, a stupid mistake, or a momentary letdown.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Probably not the greatest example. Physicists have studied it and their conclusion from research and analysis was that it was indeed a legal lateral. Barely, but still legal. However, if the refs called it an illegal lateral, I doubt replay would've overturned it.

YAKUZA

LOL. Whu??

Physicists have actually studied the lateral? I'm not doubting you, but this is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing.

 

[Juke99]

Of course a team can lose a game it should have won. They can lose on a miracle play, a stupid mistake, or a momentary letdown.

I dunno Miguel...Momentary letdown is the fault of the team letting down...if they let down, they shouldn't win.

Stupid mistakes aren't an act of God. Ya make a stupid mistake, you have earned your loss.

"Miracle plays" Hard to define. Was Staubach's "Hail Mary" a miracle play?

 

[Hostile]

I dunno Miguel...Momentary letdown is the fault of the team letting down...if they let down, they shouldn't win.

Stupid mistakes aren't an act of God. Ya make a stupid mistake, you have earned your loss.

"Miracle plays" Hard to define. Was Staubach's "Hail Mary" a miracle play?

Yeah, it was a miracle.

Joe Pisarcek's fumble wasn't an earned win for the Eagles. The game was over and he handed it back to them.

Leon Lett's slide in the snow into the football. Miami didn't earn that win. They had it handed to them.

What about the Lions kicking a FG with 12 men on the field? How is that earned?

Many things can cause a win besides one team earning it.

 

[sonnyboy]

Best team doesn't always win. Sometimes an inferior team out plays the better team on that one day.

But sometimes the better team actually plays better and loses. Yes I'm thinking about the 2007 Giants play-off game.

We had mistakes for certain but I can live with those because they're ours. It was in our control and we blew it.

What I can't live with or at least except are the things outside the teams control.

We had just enough questionable/incorrect calls go against us in that game to swing it in the Giants favor.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Excluding a bad call by a ref, is there such a thing as a team losing a game it should have won or do they lose the game because well, they lost.

I think the answer lies in the leaf of a cashew tree on the side of a mountain in Java. Upon the leaf are millions of microrganisms that each comprise separate little universes.
The answer is not why it is why not every atom a separate universe in a separate reality dictated by randomness of time and genetics and past light . . . whoa!

dang. . . . time for a busch light and a bowl of . . . cereal. And maybe an episode of "Cops."

 

[Hoofbite]

I think this video makes a strong case for the answer being "yes".

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[jobberone]

I dunno Miguel...Momentary letdown is the fault of the team letting down...if they let down, they shouldn't win.

Stupid mistakes aren't an act of God. Ya make a stupid mistake, you have earned your loss.

"Miracle plays" Hard to define. Was Staubach's "Hail Mary" a miracle play?

No. He pushed off but the ball was underthrown so................ It's a miracle play if you perceive it to be.

 

[Juke99]

Yeah, it was a miracle.

Joe Pisarcek's fumble wasn't an earned win for the Eagles. The game was over and he handed it back to them.

Leon Lett's slide in the snow into the football. Miami didn't earn that win. They had it handed to them.

What about the Lions kicking a FG with 12 men on the field? How is that earned?

Many things can cause a win besides one team earning it.

I didn't ask if a game could be won by a team that didn't earn it...I asked can a team lose a game that it "should" have won.

Pisarcek's fumble was the result of poor execution and a bad play call. . The Giants shouldn't have won that game because they couldn't excute the simplest of plays, which shouldn't even have been called in the first place.

The Lions. That's a blown call be a ref...which I excluded as a "should" have won in my question.

And imo, the Cowboys absolutetly SHOULD have lost the game that Lett slid into the ball because he was a moron for doing so...team intelligence is part of what makes a team win and or lose. He didn't accidentally slide into the ball, he dove on it.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

LOL. Whu??

Physicists have actually studied the lateral? I'm not doubting you, but this is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing.

Yeah, I think I saw it on NFL Films or something along those lines. They studied the tape, ran a bunch of the math and the conclusion was that it was a legal lateral.



YAKUZA

 

[Kevinicus]

I think the Chiefs game this year was almost a clear example of a team losing a game it should have won. You have one team that beats the other team on both sides of the ball all day, double their yardage and all. But because of stupid mistakes such as dropped TDs, unforced fumbles, stupid penalties (not going to mention the refs here), etc. If the Cowboys had lost, that would have been a game that was lost but should have been won. Now, they certainly wouldn't have deserved to win if they had lost, but they still should have won. There's a difference between a game a team should win, and a game a team deserves to win.

 

[Seven]

Excluding a bad call by a ref, is there such a thing as a team losing a game it should have won or do they lose the game because well, they lost.

Mr. 99. I give you the Seahag/Stealer Super Bowl.(1 example) IMO..........sometimes the Refs dictate a game and what we percieve as a 'bad call' is nothing more than a conglomoration of 'bad calls'.