Philosophical question for the day...

[mmohican29]

Revisionists. Watch the end of regulation again and then tell me who got screwed.

You lost. Twice in the same game. Get over it.

Miami won the game in the 3rd OT when OSU failed to convert 4th Down. They were sereptitiously bailed out by an egregious non-foul for PI.

You are the only person in the country who saw this differently. That was the worst singular call in a championship game I have ever seen. I don't know how anyone could say different, and I've never heard anyone say different- until now.

As for the end of regulation if you're referring to the non-holding call on the Jenkins reception, well OSU had gotten every call prior to and after that incident, and almost ruined Willis McGahee's NFL future in the process with their dirty play.

Keep your "revisionist" National Championship. Everyone knows who the better team was.

 

[jterrell]

Excluding a bad call by a ref, is there such a thing as a team losing a game it should have won or do they lose the game because well, they lost.

love philosophical stuff....

anytime you key one word; in this case should, the entire argument comes down to the meaning of that word.

i think in our case and looking at the webster's choices for the word, it means what is expected or most probable. and that is troubling because in football terms that would be two totally different things.

most probable: buffalo should have beaten dallas after all those turnovers the cowboys committed.

expected: dallas should have beaten buffalo badly.

so i do believe it is just semantics.

how do you want to take the word....

is it possible for teams to play below expectations and not wins games they "should"//were expected to// -of course.

is it possible for team to avoid the most probably outcome and lose games they "should" have won//most probable outcome// -harder call and different discussion. one that leads down that path of karma, pre-determination and other nasty segueways.

enough zaniness happens week in and week out that in game probability is fluid, yet there are expected outcomes of each game to the extent bookmakers make a living at it.

 

[jackrussell]

Miami won the game in the 3rd OT when OSU failed to convert 4th Down. They were sereptitiously bailed out by an egregious non-foul for PI.

You are the only person in the country who saw this differently. That was the worst singular call in a championship game I have ever seen. I don't know how anyone could say different, and I've never heard anyone say different- until now.

As for the end of regulation if you're referring to the non-holding call on the Jenkins reception, well OSU had gotten every call prior to and after that incident, and almost ruined Willis McGahee's NFL future in the process with their dirty play.

Keep your "revisionist" National Championship. Everyone knows who the better team was.

And they would have simply run out the clock from there, and there would have been no OT for any perceived controversy. Game over.

So as I see now you call the Bucks play dirty (I mean really, when it comes to Miami?) so you definitely have the loser's excuse stance on the whole thing. So bitter after so long, let it go and accept the choke job.

 

[masomenos]

The simplest way to think about the question is to start on a smaller level. As an example, let's say that a QB and a WR are warming up together before a game. During the warm-up, we select a random throw and freeze time before it reaches the WR's hands and ask the question, "Should the WR catch the ball?". Assuming that the pass is on target, everyone would agree that the WR should catch the ball. By that we would mean that a successful reception is consistent with the WR's ability. He should catch the ball because he is easily capable of doing so. Of course, we've all thrown the football around enough to know that you don't always catch the ones you should catch. Even if your hands are in the right place, even if it's a well thrown ball, even if you look the catch in, sometimes the ball just falls incomplete. Sometimes, what should happen just doesn't.

 

[Foolhardy]

Excluding a bad call by a ref, is there such a thing as a team losing a game it should have won or do they lose the game because well, they lost.

Yeah, its possible. 4th and 26 probably should have went the other way. Monday night football eagles dallas in 05 should have gone the other way