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[Staubacher]

No, I implied nothing. I am telling you that that post was with another poster and it was in reference to me posting, yesterday, before any of the video or any of the discussion between the commentators that I had said that Escobar had run a poor route. That was a quote, from what I had originally posted.

Basically, I'm telling you that you don't know what the hell is going on in that post so please, do not try to explain to me what you don't understand and no, MODs are not the only ones how can point out to you that you don't know what is being discussed so don't try and explain it to me. Pretty much anybody can tell you that.

Honest input - you are the rudest and least professional of the staff members here. And you have a Romo obsession that equals the worst hit and run guys that post here.

Now freak out on me if you wish. Not responding already made my comment.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Honest input - you are the rudest and least professional of the staff members here. And you have a Romo obsession that equals the worst hit and run guys that post here.

Now freak out on me if you wish. Not responding already made my comment.

Good to know. Lets move on now.

 

[BAT]

I thought you said he was suppose to read the defense at the beginning of the play and go to Murray, just like Manning throws to the open man all the time based upon the pre-snap read. Now your saying he should have looked deep and if it wasn't there should have gone to Murray.

The only time a pre-snap read would displace a QB's progressive reads after the snap if he recognizes a blitz a audibles. Romo would throw to Murray without going thru his progressions in this instance, IF Murray was the hot read.

That could be what Manning was doing. He certainly audibled a ton during the game. But ABQ thinks Romo should pre-snap read, NOT audible, then throw the check down without going thru his progressions. Unless of course the progression does not include ever throwing to Escobar. Throw to everyone else, even a receiver (Witten), that was bracketed but never Escobar who was singled covered (but seemingly triple covered).

And only check down when the score is tied, with under 2 minutes to go, when Romo has been sacked once already, and if Manning is the QB on the other team. Did I miss anything?

 

[khiladi]

No. You do a pre-snap read, you check the Safeties and see what the LBs are doing and you go to the guy you know is open. That's how you play football in the NFL. It's not a series of reads that you simply go to without deviation. Sometimes, because of the coverages, you simply don't even look to one side of the field, even if that is where the 1st read is. You already know that the matchup is elsewhere on the field.

Maybe I misunderstand, but this looks to me like you were saying he should go to Murray right away. This is why I brought up the issue of an audible.

 

[Clove]

It was a bad decision. End of story

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The only time a pre-snap read would displace a QB's progressive reads after the snap if he recognizes a blitz a audibles. Romo would throw to Murray without going thru his progressions in this instance, IF Murray was the hot read.

No, this just is not accurate. Any QB, in any offense can make this kind of determination and should if he's worth his salt. Example, on the Boot Leg play Manning last Sunday, I'd bet you that Manning made a pre-snap read on the Defense and decided to disregard the called play and keep on his own. I'll bet you that nobody on the offense new he was going to do that and there was no audible called. The same with Romo on the pass to Beasly, I believe it was, where we faked the run to Murray and Romo decided, on his own, with no Audible to go to Beasly with the pass. You don't have to call an audible and you don't have to stick to the script if you know that the Defense has missed something. That happens all the time.

That could be what Manning was doing. He certainly audibled a ton during the game. But ABQ thinks Romo should pre-snap read, NOT audible, then throw the check down without going thru his progressions. Unless of course the progression does not include ever throwing to Escobar. Throw to everyone else, even a receiver (Witten), that was bracketed but never Escobar who was singled covered (but seemingly triple covered).

I think it depends on the situation. If the Audible is going to cause the defense to adjust and the advantage is to the offense if they stay in a certain alignment then why cause a change to the Defensive? How does that make sense but the part about a pre-snap read, yeah, I do. In that situation, I think it's obviously better to throw to the open guy, the guy who is uncovered and gain positive yards rather then know he's open but still go through your progressions until you run out of time and then end up with a pick. Tell me, how does it make sense to know a guy will be open but simply wait too long to get the ball to him and end up with a failed play. Please do explain how that makes sense to you.

And only check down when the score is tied, with under 2 minutes to go, when Romo has been sacked once already, and if Manning is the QB on the other team. Did I miss anything?

I'm afraid, based on what I've read in this last post, you've missed almost all of it.

 

[Sarge]

Watch the insults please and stay on topic. Thank you.

 

[BAT]

No, this just is not accurate. Any QB, in any offense can make this kind of determination and should if he's worth his salt. Example, on the Boot Leg play Manning last Sunday, I'd bet you that Manning made a pre-snap read on the Defense and decided to disregard the called play and keep on his own. I'll bet you that nobody on the offense new he was going to do that and there was no audible called. The same with Romo on the pass to Beasly, I believe it was, where we faked the run to Murray and Romo decided, on his own, with no Audible to go to Beasly with the pass. You don't have to call an audible and you don't have to stick to the script if you know that the Defense has missed something. That happens all the time.



I think it depends on the situation. If the Audible is going to cause the defense to adjust and the advantage is to the offense if they stay in a certain alignment then why cause a change to the Defensive? How does that make sense but the part about a pre-snap read, yeah, I do. In that situation, I think it's obviously better to throw to the open guy, the guy who is uncovered and gain positive yards rather then no he's open but still go through your progressions until you run out of time and then end up with a pick. Tell me, how does it make sense to know a guy will be open but simply wait too long to get the ball to him and end up with a failed play. Please do explain how that makes sense to you.



I'm afraid, based on what I've read in this last post, you've missed almost all of it.

LOL. Manning's non-audible on that play was once every 5 years, ie very rare. Even he admitted to that. And that situation was completely different from making sure the receiver's were on the same page on a blitz. Recognizing coverages is also important to communicate to your teammates.

Making changes pre-snap without communicating those changes to your teammates is a recipe for disaster. I thought you were just being stubborn earlier, now I am starting to think it may be something deeper. Be well.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Maybe I misunderstand, but this looks to me like you were saying he should go to Murray right away. This is why I brought up the issue of an audible.

If I have explained it poorly, then you have my apologies.

Here is what I believe should happen in a situation like the one Romo faced last Sunday. Every QB makes a pre-snap read correct? When this happens, you usually locate the Safeties and make mental notes of which receivers may be getting too much cushion etc. All these things are what a QB looks for. You look at the front seven alignment and try to determine which LBs or DBs might be coming on any given play. Now, you can audible to another play if you think the defense has the right play called to defend the call but sometimes, if you know that, because of the defensive alignment, you have a receiver that will be uncovered, you don't call an audible. You simply allow the defense to stay in that alignment and you take advantage of it. I believe that Romo should have been able to determine this from the snap. I believe that Romo should have seen that the Safeties were not moving. They stayed in a two deep shell alignment. Romo had the time to look down field to see if anybody had broken free in coverage. Had somebody done that, then I have no issue with him going to that guy but that didn't happen. What we had was Escobar covered and Romo breaking late. I believe that Romo believed he saw Escobar open and if you go by what is considered open in the NFL, then maybe he was but that does not mean that it was the smart play or even a high percentage play. Still, Romo should have known, based on the coverage, that he had Murray wide open I'm assuming that Murray ran the correct pattern and I think we can safely assume this because of the statements Garrett made). I have no problem with Romo looking down field to check for the broken play receiver running free. He had time for that but, I think you have to understand down and distance and what is important in that situation. Getting positive yards is the more important thing there. If Romo knows he has Murray and he still elects to stick to his reads, to the point where time is running out then doesn't that seem like the wrong thing to do?

I don't know if this is any more clear but I hope that I am at least explaining to you why I see it as a bad decision on Romo's part. Maybe you don't agree but this is what I see and this is what I believe should have happened. Had it happened, I think we maybe win that game.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

LOL. Manning's non-audible on that play was once every 5 years, ie very rare. Even he admitted to that. And that situation was completely different from making sure the receiver's were on the same page on a blitz. Recognizing coverages is also important to communicate to your teammates.

Making changes pre-snap without communicating those changes to your teammates is a recipe for disaster. I thought you were just being stubborn earlier, now I am starting to think it may be something deeper. Be well.

OK, well, how often do you think Romo is going to see 48-48 tie with 2.36 left, the ball on our own 14 and 2nd and 16? Do you think that's something that's going to happen every season? How often or infrequently it happens has no barring on anything. It's about how you handle yourself in situations. The examples were only to show that you don't need to call an audible to go off the script and you don't need a blitz to make certain calls. Look at the play and tell me what Romo could have done to make communicate something to Murray that would have helped him get more open. Sometimes, yeah, you need to communicate things but sometimes, it's not necessary. I see nothing to be gained on that play with an audible. The receivers didn't need Romo to recognize the coverages. They all understood them and they all ran the right routes. The play actually produced what the coaching staff wanted out of it. It produced a wide open receiver and an opportunity to put yourself into a manageable 3rd down situation. We just didn't execute but there was nothing dangerous in that play about not calling an audible. Pre-snap reads are not about just calling audibles. They are about reading the defense and finding matchups. No reason at all for an audible in that situation.

 

[Kevinicus]

The play to Escobar would be a high percentage play if the throw isn't affected by the pressure. Still the right call IMO.

 

[theogt]

No. You do a pre-snap read, you check the Safeties and see what the LBs are doing and you go to the guy you know is open. That's how you play football in the NFL. It's not a series of reads that you simply go to without deviation. Sometimes, because of the coverages, you simply don't even look to one side of the field, even if that is where the 1st read is. You already know that the matchup is elsewhere on the field.

This is completely and utterly wrong. No presnap read dictates that you automatically check down to a back coming out of the backfield -- ever. In fact, it may be the case that a blitzing rusher would prevent the back from leaking out. Regardless, the presnap read here should indicate a likely one-on-one coverage on Escobar by a linebacker, which is exactly what happened.

Romo made the right read and threw the perfect pass (despite having his foot stepped on screwing up his throwing motion). Also, it's impossible to tell if the holding/illegal contact resulted in the poor route by Escobar.

 

[percyhoward]

Great play by the LB.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The play to Escobar would be a high percentage play if the throw isn't affected by the pressure. Still the right call IMO.

I concur. The problems started by allowing a 3 man rush to get that much pressure on Romo.

 

[jobberone]

The only person open is Murray. Any other throw is too risky. I don't think Witten was an option at all as Romo didn't have time for the throw and he's going to have to throw perfectly between two defenders. It's just too risky. I agree Escobar may have been open if the route was run correctly but that is a much riskier play than going to Murray who is wide open. There is no need to make that throw and that's on Romo. There's not a bigger fan on this board but it is what it is. That throw should never have been made even if he completed it.

Presnap reads is a way difficult discussion. Romo should know what the coverage is going to be with his eyes closed but certainly after looking at a three man rush and how deep they are in a special package with that yardage needed. He knows there is going to be two levels of zone with at least one guy over the top of that. I'm sure he made all his counts and identified the M and W as well as where the DBs were. He knows that underneath is going to be open and they are prepared to give him 5-8 yards easy. If Murray makes a play then great otherwise you are still in a much more makable position at 3rd and say 8 than 3rd and 16.

This is a no brainer unless there is blown coverage which with that defense is extremely unlikely anyway. If someone slips and falls then sure take it o/w you go to Murray and protect the ball.

Besides didn't Garrett already say that.

 

[Wood]

The most depressing thing about it was that everyone in world saw it (interception) coming. Its almost expected at this stage and that is part thats disheartening because no matter what Dallas does they still have 500 pound pink elephant sitting in room that Romo might not have mental capacity to process big situations.

 

[theogt]

The only person open is Murray. Any other throw is too risky. I don't think Witten was an option at all as Romo didn't have time for the throw and he's going to have to throw perfectly between two defenders. It's just too risky. I agree Escobar may have been open if the route was run correctly but that is a much riskier play than going to Murray who is wide open. There is no need to make that throw and that's on Romo. There's not a bigger fan on this board but it is what it is. That throw should never have been made even if he completed it.

Presnap reads is a way difficult discussion. Romo should know what the coverage is going to be with his eyes closed but certainly after looking at a three man rush and how deep they are in a special package with that yardage needed. He knows there is going to be two levels of zone with at least one guy over the top of that. I'm sure he made all his counts and identified the M and W as well as where the DBs were. He knows that underneath is going to be open and they are prepared to give him 5-8 yards easy. If Murray makes a play then great otherwise you are still in a much more makable position at 3rd and say 8 than 3rd and 16.

This is a no brainer unless there is blown coverage which with that defense is extremely unlikely anyway. If someone slips and falls then sure take it o/w you go to Murray and protect the ball.

Besides didn't Garrett already say that.

Escobar was open by any possible definition of the word. What he does after the pass is thrown is irrelevant to that determination.

 

[jobberone]

Escobar was open by any possible definition of the word. What he does after the pass is thrown is irrelevant to that determination.

He was open in a tight window if he runs the route correctly and stays on his feet and Romo throws it properly. That didn't happen though did it. That pass is owned by the QB and receiver. Thats a pass until someone catches it or its incomplete.

 

[theogt]

He was open in a tight window if he runs the route correctly and stays on his feet and Romo throws it properly. That didn't happen though did it. That pass is owned by the QB and receiver. Thats a pass until someone catches it or its incomplete.

He had a step on the linebacker which is why the linebacker was pulling his left arm. That's anything but a tight window. Romo can literally place the ball anywhere but behind him. He probably had an 8 foot by 6 foot window (at a minimum) to put the ball into without any defender having a chance at it.

Also, I'm not sure why you're making reference to him running the right route or not falling down. That's true of every pass to every receiver.

 

[Zman5]

The only person open is Murray. Any other throw is too risky. I don't think Witten was an option at all as Romo didn't have time for the throw and he's going to have to throw perfectly between two defenders. It's just too risky. I agree Escobar may have been open if the route was run correctly but that is a much riskier play than going to Murray who is wide open. There is no need to make that throw and that's on Romo. There's not a bigger fan on this board but it is what it is. That throw should never have been made even if he completed it.

Presnap reads is a way difficult discussion. Romo should know what the coverage is going to be with his eyes closed but certainly after looking at a three man rush and how deep they are in a special package with that yardage needed. He knows there is going to be two levels of zone with at least one guy over the top of that. I'm sure he made all his counts and identified the M and W as well as where the DBs were. He knows that underneath is going to be open and they are prepared to give him 5-8 yards easy. If Murray makes a play then great otherwise you are still in a much more makable position at 3rd and say 8 than 3rd and 16.

This is a no brainer unless there is blown coverage which with that defense is extremely unlikely anyway. If someone slips and falls then sure take it o/w you go to Murray and protect the ball.

Besides didn't Garrett already say that.

He also said Escobar ran a good route. I won't take everything JG says as gospel.

As far as throwing to Murray, as I posted earlier, Murray doesn't come in to Romo's view until split second before Romo starts to throw to Escobar. Murray is going across the LOS right in front of a defender and Frederick as Romo is going through his reads.