Pick Buehler's PK USC profile *Merged*

[TonyRomo#9]

what other places are you talking about?

the fact that he played some safety and linebacker in high school and juco means nothing when it comes to the NFL

dude was signed by USC as a SS. thats gotta say something.

 

[Audiman]

LOL that will be cool watching the kicker running down the field looking to jack someone up...could give the Cowboys quite a unique advantage on kickoffs

dude, I stood up and got all excited when Paulescu ***** that Bucs player up last year.

what other places are you talking about?

the fact that he played some safety and linebacker in high school and juco means nothing when it comes to the NFL

Buehler, the 172nd overall pick, played linebacker, running back and kicker in junior college. He practiced at safety and fullback after transferring to USC

no, he's not a starter at those positions, but atleast he'll be an option if we need him.

 

[ZB9]

dude was signed by USC as a SS. thats gotta say something.

true...he's obviously an athlete, but I would doubt they even think about trying him at backup LB or safety or if so I will be really worried. I hope their linebacker depth isnt that terrible

I bet he would be one hell of a rugby player lol...I wonder if he played that at SC

 

[ZB9]

dude, I stood up and got all excited when Paulescu ***** that Bucs player up last year.

HA me too...one of the rare good hits by the Cowboys on special teams all year unfortunately

that will be awesome if Bueller can make a habit of making hits like that...too bad John Madden retired from the booth because it would be cool listening to him go on and on about a kicker for the first time lol

 

[RoadRunner]

This guy has lots of upside in my opinion. Kickoff specialist, backup FG kicker, and then teach him other roles like backup punter, extra WR or TE, holder, hell he could even run down and assist tackle on kickoffs since the wedge is now outlawed.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Folk kicked off almost 75 times last year.

If Beuhler's the real deal (some kickers just don't transition well with the different football) and only gets Dallas to the league average as far as distance and opponent starting field position, it would be an increase of around 4 yards a kick. Take those 75 kick offs and times it by 4 yards, and we get 300 yards.

Dallas returned 37 punts last year. To get 300 more yards of field position, Dallas would have to find someone to average just over 8 yards more a return.

If Dallas would have drafted that returner in the 5th round, no one would be complaining and Beuhler is a much safer bet to improve on Folk's kickoff average than any return specialist would be.

 

[Silverstar]

Folk sucks on kickoffs and that's a problem we don't want....enter Buehler.

May the best kicker win.


Memo to folk......"BOOOOOOYAAAAHHHHHH!!!!"

 

[Oh_Canada]

Folk is a great kicker, just not at kickoffs...a little early but a good move.

 

[Hostile]

In college on of Folk's strengths was kickoffs. I saw him put most of them clear out of the endzone.

In college Buehler's specialty was kickoffs. I have never thought he was a good FG kicker, but his kickoffs were almost as deep as Folk's.

That's right, I said almost as deep.

I hope it isn't a Pac-10 thing for deep kickoffs. It certainly isn't elevation like Colorado and Utah Schools.

I've been shocked that Folk hasn't had a lot of touchbacks.

I'll appreciate any advantage. I wonder if it will work.

 

[Silverstar]

In college on of Folk's strengths was kickoffs. I saw him put most of them clear out of the endzone.

In college Buehler's specialty was kickoffs. I have never thought he was a good FG kicker, but his kickoffs were almost as deep as Folk's.

That's right, I said almost as deep.

I hope it isn't a Pac-10 thing for deep kickoffs. It certainly isn't elevation like Colorado and Utah Schools.

I've been shocked that Folk hasn't had a lot of touchbacks.

I'll appreciate any advantage. I wonder if it will work.

Buehler had 41 of his 92 career kickoffs within the 20-yard line, with 21 touchbacks. I think Folk had like 10 touchbacks on kickoffs and 2 more on punts at Arizona State. Not sure how many of his kicks were within the 20 yard line. Fair to say, Buehler does have more touchbacks coming out of college though.

 

[chinch]

assuming he's actually activated for games this will be our most useful pick for 2009.

Folk's KOs are dreadful, and anyone blaming directional kicking or coaching is blind.

 

[Hostile]

Buehler had 41 of his 92 career kickoffs within the 20-yard line, with 21 touchbacks. I think Folk had like 10 touchbacks on kickoffs and 2 more on punts at Arizona State. Not sure how many of his kicks were within the 20 yard line. Fair to say, Buehler does have more touchbacks coming out of college though.

Folk played at Arizona, not Arizona State.

USC would kick off more than Arizona, so "more" means very little. % is the key.

He had 31 touchbacks his Senior year at Arizona. Not 10. I have no idea where that number came from.

 

[joseephuss]

In college on of Folk's strengths was kickoffs. I saw him put most of them clear out of the endzone.

In college Buehler's specialty was kickoffs. I have never thought he was a good FG kicker, but his kickoffs were almost as deep as Folk's.

That's right, I said almost as deep.

I hope it isn't a Pac-10 thing for deep kickoffs. It certainly isn't elevation like Colorado and Utah Schools.

I've been shocked that Folk hasn't had a lot of touchbacks.

I'll appreciate any advantage. I wonder if it will work.

Elevation
Tucson-2584 ft
Dallas-431 ft
LA-330 ft

The elevation may make some difference, but not too much.

I think stadiums make some difference to kickers as they transition from college to the NFL. The stadiums in the NFL are more closed off than college stadiums. College stadiums tend to get more wind and a good tail wind can add distance on kick offs.

I am not looking at this pick to do anything other than be a kick off specialist and then back up Folk and McBriar. It sounds good that he can run and is strong, but those things really don't matter for a kick off specialist. Just boot the ball as far as you can.

 

[TheSkaven]

I hate the idea of "kickoff specialists". It's absurd to have three kickers on the active roster each week.

As others have mentioned, the college game kicks off from the 35 yard-line, the pro's kick off from the 30. How many of those touchbacks will still be touchbacks when he has to kick 5 yards deeper?

Sad to say, but this is a wasted pick. I don't see him making the roster.

 

[joseephuss]

I hate the idea of "kickoff specialists". It's absurd to have three kickers on the active roster each week.

As others have mentioned, the college game kicks off from the 35 yard-line, the pro's kick off from the 30. How many of those touchbacks will still be touchbacks when he has to kick 5 yards deeper?

Sad to say, but this is a wasted pick. I don't see him making the roster.

As others have mentioned, the college game moved their kick offs back to the 30 yard line a few years back, so it is now the same as the NFL.

I hate the idea of a kick off specialist as well. Still it looks as if Dallas may need one.

I don't see it as a wasted pick. He was the 10th player drafted by Dallas. How many 10th guys drafted by Dallas in the past made the team? The draft pick used to get him was a compensatory pick at the bottom of the 5th round. It essentially is a 6th round pick, which is where you would take a kicker or punter.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I actually love this pick, field position wins games fellas.

 

[Silverstar]

Folk played at Arizona, not Arizona State.

USC would kick off more than Arizona, so "more" means very little. % is the key.

He had 31 touchbacks his Senior year at Arizona. Not 10. I have no idea where that number came from.

I got those numbers from here...all I could find.

http://www.arizonaathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/042406aaa.html


Do you have a better link?

 

[JBell]

In college on of Folk's strengths was kickoffs. I saw him put most of them clear out of the endzone.

In college Buehler's specialty was kickoffs. I have never thought he was a good FG kicker, but his kickoffs were almost as deep as Folk's.

That's right, I said almost as deep.

I hope it isn't a Pac-10 thing for deep kickoffs. It certainly isn't elevation like Colorado and Utah Schools.

I've been shocked that Folk hasn't had a lot of touchbacks.

I'll appreciate any advantage. I wonder if it will work.

Yeah but here's the thing.

When Folk was kicking off at Arizona, he was kicking off from the 35.

They implemented the rule where kickoffs start off at the 30 after Folk graduated.

Buehler had a ridiculous 55% touchback rating while kicking off from the 30.

Compare that to Rhys Lloyd of the Panthers who led the NFL with a 34.1% touchback rating.


There shouldn't be any argument on who has the stronger leg.

Buehler, hands down.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah but here's the thing.

When Folk was kicking off at Arizona, he was kicking off from the 35.

They implemented the rule where kickoffs start off at the 30 after Folk graduated.

Buehler had a ridiculous 55% touchback rating while kicking off from the 30.

Compare that to Rhys Lloyd of the Panthers who led the NFL with a 34.1% touchback rating.


There shouldn't be any argument on who has the stronger leg.

Buehler, hands down.

It changed in 2007. Good call. I was unaware of that.

Edit...I would like to say though that many of Folk's kickoffs at Arizona went clear out the back of the endzone. He kicked low, but he could really thump it.

 

[Tyronosaurus77]

I like this pick. I dont think its absurd to have 3 kickers on the roster espcecially when 2 of the 3 are pro bowlers.

This guy can absolutly kill the ball to the endzone on his kickoffs I hope this will translate.

I think Folks kick offs were one of the bigger problems from last year, and we solved that. Not to mention this guy did the bench at the combine 26 times i believe and ran a 4.55.