Player You Wish Was Never a Cowboy

[Hostile]

Tuinei bought the drugs and shot up over a gram of heroin knowing very well what he was doing. He was chasing the dragon and it caught him.

He might as well have shot himself in the head.

Factor in the time before he was found and the ten+ minutes that it would have taken him to drive to the hospital or wait for a ambulance and hes dead anyway. The only shot he had was getting CPR. Sualua was high and dumb but he did not abandon him.

That does not mitigate the fact that Tuinei went to his pusher, bought the smack and then went to the bathroom to shoot it up. Sualua was a bystander to that.

I will say this one last time. Nothing will trump the fact he let his friend die. My mind is closed. You aren't doing anything to change it and you can't.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I will say this one last time. Nothing will trump the fact he let his friend die. My mind is closed. You aren't doing anything to change it and you can't.

Obviously and if you want to get all emo about it then fine but letting him die assumes he could have saved him and that is tenuous at best.

Let me ask this who do you hold more responsible: Tuinei or Sualua?

 

[Hostile]

Obviously and if you want to get all emo about it then fine but letting him die assumes he could have saved him and that is tenuous at best.

Let me ask this who do you hold more responsible: Tuinei or Sualua?

I am being very matter of fact. There's no emo crap at all.

The only way I could dislike another player more is premeditated murder. it is just that simple.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am being very matter of fact. There's no emo crap at all.

The only way I could dislike another player more is premeditated murder. it is just that simple.

Uh huh.

Are you not going to answer the question? TBH, it seems to me you're unwilling to blame a guy who was an anchor at LT of those great Cowboys lines and want to blame the scrub player.

All I see are two junkies.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

kickers.

 

[Hostile]

Uh huh.

Are you not going to answer the question? TBH, it seems to me you're unwilling to blame a guy who was an anchor at LT of those great Cowboys lines and want to blame the scrub player.

All I see are two junkies.

I see no need to. To make you happy I will say Tuinei is more to blame. I don't care if he is or isn't.

It does NOT change a thing. He let his friend die. You could be my worst enemy in the whole world. I am not going to sit by and watch you die. I don't care if we have just exchanged punches and I stand a chance of going to jail. It is not going to happen. I will risk going to jail to get you help rather than walk away and let the last witness die.

It has nothing to do with Tuinei being a Dallas Cowboy. If he wasn't. If he was an Eagles or a Commanders player. If he never played, I would feel the same.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see no need to. To make you happy I will say Tuinei is more to blame. I don't care if he is or isn't.

It does NOT change a thing. He let his friend die. You could be my worst enemy in the whole world. I am not going to sit by and watch you die. I don't care if we have just exchanged punches and I stand a chance of going to jail. It is not going to happen. I will risk going to jail to get you help rather than walk away and let the last witness die.

It has nothing to do with Tuinei being a Dallas Cowboy. If he wasn't. If he was an Eagles or a Commanders player. If he never played, I would feel the same.

You're acting just like parents whose kids OD when they blame their friends. Of course you don't feel the need to when in fact Tuinei dying was all on him. I realize that you probably don't have a lot of experience with junkies but give me a break.

Again he did not abandon him. He dragged him to his car drove him home and then slept in the car with him. It wasn't the right thing to do but expecting the best reaction out of a junkie who is high in the middle of a crisis is absurd.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I have no idea what you guys are discussing. Please explain to the R2A

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I always thought Drew Henson was a bozo. I never could get over that goofy look on his face. It was worse than Eli. Parcells said it best, if it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk, then it's probably a skunk.

I never liked it when there was so much speculation about that clown being #1 behind center. I just couldn't believe we'd do something that stupid. Thankfully, that's not what went down. Parcells yanked Bledsoe, but when he did he plugged in Romo.

You have to give BP credit for that. It was probably the best coaching move he ever made with the Cowboys.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have no idea what you guys are discussing. Please explain to the R2A

Heroin reported in Tuinei's death
By C. Bryson Hull, Associated Press writer

McKINNEY, Texas -- Former Dallas Cowboys star Mark Tuinei went to an apartment to obtain heroin the night before he died and apparently used it as well as the drug Ecstasy, one of the team's players told police in a court document.
The document, which investigators filed to get a warrant to search Tuinei's house, contains information from Cowboys running back Nicky Sualua, who said he spent Wednesday evening with Tuinei in a Dallas apartment. Sualua said he and Tuinei went to the apartment to get the heroin and "Mark went into the bedroom, and he said, 'Here it is.'"
"When Mark came back to the living room, he looked as if he was passing out. Nicky advised (that) Mark started having problems and stopped breathing," the affidavit said.
Sualua said Tuinei was alive when he dragged the 6-foot-5, 320-pound ex-offensive lineman from the apartment to his car. Sualua then drove to Tuinei's house in Plano, suburban Dallas.
Sualua got two blankets from the house and slept in the car with Tuinei until about 5:30 a.m. Thursday, he told police.
"When Nicky woke up, Mark was not breathing," the document said.
In a 911 tape released Friday, a man identified as "Nicky" told the dispatcher that his friend had stopped breathing. "I can't feel a pulse," he said.
The 39-year-old Tuinei was pronounced dead at the hospital. The preliminary autopsy report was inconclusive and further toxicology tests were expected today.
Dallas police said yesterday that since Thursday, they have arrested three people at the apartment on various charges, ranging from heroin possession to public intoxication.
Tuinei's death and Sualua's report of drug use were just the latest blows to the Cowboys, whose image has been tarnished by a series of court cases and off-the-field problems in the last few years.
In addition to heroin, Sualua said Tuinei had used Ecstasy, a hybrid of the hallucinogen mescaline and the stimulant amphetamine, at Tuinei's house earlier Wednesday evening, according to the document filed with Collin County Court-at-Law Judge Mark Rusch, who issued the search warrant. McKinney is the Collin County seat.
Police seized marijuana pipes, a marijuana cigarette, a white tablet, a cell phone and papers with phone numbers from Tuinei's house, according to an inventory attached to the affidavit, details of which were first reported by TV station KDFW.
Police sought a search warrant because Tuinei's wife, Pono, was in their home state of Hawaii. The couple planned to move there so Tuinei could be an assistant football coach at his old high school.
Tuinei played 15 seasons for the Cowboys before retiring in 1998 and was a key player on three Super Bowl championship teams.
Cowboys spokesman Rich Dalrymple and NFL spokesman Greg Aiello declined to comment on Sualua's situation. Under NFL rules, players involved in drug-related violations of the law can be disciplined.
Tuinei was arrested a number of times in college for drunken brawling and he admitted to mixing alcohol with marijuana when he was young. In 1993, he told The Dallas Morning News that he could not say he had turned his life around.
"It's a day-to-day, year-to-year battle," he said. "I know that I'm always going to run into trouble of some kind. I just need to make sure I handle it."
Among other cases that have tarnished the Cowboys' image, All-Pro receiver Michael Irvin was suspended by the NFL in 1996 after a cocaine charge, and then-coach Barry Switzer was arrested in 1997 for taking a gun to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport. In between, several other Cowboys faced drug- or alcohol-related league suspensions.
Last year, there was a mysterious training-camp scuffle in which lineman Everett McIver was stabbed in the neck with scissors by another player, reportedly Irvin.
Also, Pro Bowl defensive tackle Leon Lett has failed an NFL drug test for the third time, league sources said. The violation could carry a lifetime ban.

http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/05-99/05-11-99/d05sp161.htm

 

[Hostile]

You're acting just like parents whose kids OD when they blame their friends. Of course you don't feel the need to when in fact Tuinei dying was all on him. I realize that you probably don't have a lot of experience with junkies but give me a break.

Again he did not abandon him. He dragged him to his car drove him home and then slept in the car with him. It wasn't the right thing to do but expecting the best reaction out of a junkie who is high in the middle of a crisis is absurd.

Point any finger you want at me to judge me. Point all 10 of them. I haven't stuttered. HE LET HIS FRIEND DIE. If you can't understand that I will not be swayed then I cannot help you.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/05-99/05-11-99/d05sp161.htm

holy crap

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Point any finger you want at me to judge me. Point all 10 of them. I haven't stuttered. HE LET HIS FRIEND DIE. If you can't understand that I will not be swayed then I cannot help you.

I am not judging you. I am just saying that despite your claims to the contrary you are emotional about it. Just because we don't agree on the subject doesn't mean we cannot discuss it.

Despite your use of capitalization, Sualua could not have saved Tuinei. When he found him he already wasn't breathing. Driving him to the hospital would have been a DOA anyway.

 

[Hostile]

I am not judging you. I am just saying that despite your claims to the contrary you are emotional about it. Just because we don't agree on the subject doesn't mean we cannot discuss it.

Despite your use of capitalization, Sualua could not have saved Tuinei. When he found him he already wasn't breathing. Driving him to the hospital would have been a DOA anyway.

Whatever. Yeah, I am real emotional. That is a cop out because you don't agree.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Whatever. Yeah, I am real emotional. That is a cop out because you don't agree.

You wouldn't admit that you are even if you are but whatever. And how can I be copping out when all you are saying is 'HE LET HIS FRIEND DIE' and then personalize it by saying you would never do that?

If anything what you are doing is the epitome of a cop out. Its the equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and going LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It's not funny at all but I can kind of relate. My brother has been a drug addict for over 30 years and you just cannot depend on the person or trust them. No one is really ever a victim because they are their own demise. Tuinei and the others are equally to blame for what happened in my opinion.

I agree with this. For instance, if you have two guys that are using alcohol to the point that they could both die, you can't blame the survivor for the death of the one who died from alcohol poisoning. That's wishful, and unrealistic, thinking that the other abuser would come to the others' rescue. It's just not how these things happen. And we're talking about heroine here, not a drug where people could still have their wits about them, such as cocaine.

 

[JustDezIt]

You wouldn't admit that you are even if you are but whatever. And how can I be copping out when all you are saying is 'HE LET HIS FRIEND DIE' and then personalize it by saying you would never do that?

If anything what you are doing is the epitome of a cop out. Its the equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and going LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

so let me get this straight? he has no blame because he was high also? so if he wasnt high would you allow any blame for him? noone is sayin that tupei wasnt at fault and ultimately responsible for his own demise. but he had already had to revive him once, was capable of driving, and instead of taking him to the hospital he drove him home and went to sleep? you have to admit that he played a role in his death. if he had acted differently there was a chance that he lived. thats what im saying.

 

[TheSport78]

I agree with this. For instance, if you have two guys that are using alcohol to the point that they could both die, you can't blame the survivor for the death of the one who died from alcohol poisoning. That's wishful, and unrealistic, thinking that the other abuser would come to the others' rescue. It's just not how these things happen. And we're talking about heroine here, not a drug where people could still have their wits about them, such as cocaine.

No doubt.

 

[JustDezIt]

I agree with this. For instance, if you have two guys that are using alcohol to the point that they could both die, you can't blame the survivor for the death of the one who died from alcohol poisoning. That's wishful, and unrealistic, thinking that the other abuser would come to the others' rescue. It's just not how these things happen. And we're talking about heroine here, not a drug where people could still have their wits about them, such as cocaine.

he was able to drive so he couldnt have been too out of it. If two peple are drinking together and one gets poisoning and the other realizes it and does nothing to help him and he dies, i feel that person is partially responsible.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

so let me get this straight? he has no blame because he was high also? so if he wasnt high would you allow any blame for him? noone is sayin that tupei wasnt at fault and ultimately responsible for his own demise. but he had already had to revive him once, was capable of driving, and instead of taking him to the hospital he drove him home and went to sleep? you have to admit that he played a role in his death. if he had acted differently there was a chance that he lived. thats what im saying.

Spoken like someone that has zero experience with drug culture at all.

First of all with hardcore users, its not uncommon to have to give CPR to a buddy until the drug wears off and they start breathing again.

One would think that at that point they would want to be taken them to the hospital. Not so. I have known people that will shoot up later that same night. This clearly was not those twos first rodeo.

Sualua was high on ex and probably smack. What I am saying is expecting logical thinking is wishful thinking. Its not like Tui did not know this and was putting his life in Sualuas hands. They are two junkies getting high.

Now this is not to say that Sualua is anything more than a junkie loser. He most certainly was but to say that he is responsible for a 300+ lbs man taking enough heroin to kill himself is absurd.