Player You Wish Was Never a Cowboy

[Hostile]

Man, TO hate is crazy on this board. I mean you have a guy that killed someone and didnt even stop (goodrich) Pacman who was involved in a man getting paralyzed and a woman getting beat and a man that stood on your teams star is player you hated the most on your team. Dont get me wrong I was pumped when Emmitt ran to the star slammed the ball down kneeled and took the star back, and I was even more pumped when Teague plugged him for trying to go back to the star, but c'mon.....

TO's Female traits (and he does have some) brings out the estrogen in you guys as well.

Why would anyone be surprised at any player other than our Hall of Famers making this list? People have mentioned Terrence Newman, Roy Williams, and several other players who are good guys but not performing to a level they want. They've mentioned guys like Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Troy Hambrick, and several others who just weren't very good.

but you have to single out amazement that some hate Owens the most? Enjoying that estrogen in your system?

 

[Established1971]

In the interest of fairness to the other thread of guys you wish had been Cowboys. What player do you wish had never darkened the sidelines of our stadiums with his shadow?

For me, Nicky Sualua. I cannot get over his role in the death of Mark Tuinei.

I have a different approach then you in answering this, for me its guys I couldnt stand before they were Cowboys -

Deion Sanders
Keyshawn Johnson
Bill Parcells
Terrell Owens

it was also weird when we had Harold Charmicheal for a few games, remember that?

 

[Established1971]

Man, TO hate is crazy on this board. I mean you have a guy that killed someone and didnt even stop (goodrich) Pacman who was involved in a man getting paralyzed and a woman getting beat and a man that stood on your teams star is player you hated the most on your team. Dont get me wrong I was pumped when Emmitt ran to the star slammed the ball down kneeled and took the star back, and I was even more pumped when Teague plugged him for trying to go back to the star, but c'mon.....

TO's Female traits (and he does have some) brings out the estrogen in you guys as well.

You are confusing some completely different things. It is one thing to judge a person for bad things they did off the field, some of which were even after they were a Cowboy. It is another to recall a player who you didnt lilke, mostly for football related reasons being acquired by the Cowboys when you already disliked him and then seeing him as a Cowboy thinking, in real time at that time, "boy Id really prefer we didnt have this guy." The first scenario is completely hindsight, depending on who we are talking about, you didnt necessarily dislike that guy when he actually was a Cowboy.

 

[jem88]

Rafael Septien is another.

He's the first that comes to mind. Loved him at the time, but later conduct means he wasn't fit to wear the star.

 

[CATCH17]

I don't see how so many can put TO on your short list.

His problem was his mouth and not stuff he did off the field. He fought his butt off for our team.

 

[LucaBrasi]

Septien or Goodrich is probably my answer. I'll throw another out there: Larry Bethea. Dude shot himself after being convicted of stealing $64,000 from his own mother.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Why would anyone be surprised at any player other than our Hall of Famers making this list? People have mentioned Terrence Newman, Roy Williams, and several other players who are good guys but not performing to a level they want. They've mentioned guys like Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Troy Hambrick, and several others who just weren't very good.

but you have to single out amazement that some hate Owens the most? Enjoying that estrogen in your system?

No its just that Newman, Roy Williams, chutch, even Quincy shouldnt, and dont deserve to even be on the list. I defend TO b/c he gets too much blame, but I understand why some dont like him, although he belongs noooooo where at the top of the list. See you responding to the comment demonstrates what im talking about. That was not directed at you. You see it wasnt you hostile that made the comment "out of anyone that has been on the team TO is who I hated being on here the most." Whatever Hookems reason for hating him that much, his priorities in hate are quite out of order. Point Blank!!!! And your coming to that line of reasoning's defense is asinine as someone not understanding why nicky doesnt deserve some hate in the death of tuinei.

The list should begin with Nicky, goodrich, pacman, and possibly septien (if he did it). We know what those other *******s did. They played a part in ruining someone elses life forever.

Thats all.

 

[Hostile]

No its just that Newman, Roy Williams, chutch, even Quincy shouldnt, and dont deserve to even be on the list. I defend TO b/c he gets too much blame, but I understand why some dont like him, although he belongs noooooo where at the top of the list. See you responding to the comment demonstrates what im talking about. That was not directed at you. You see it wasnt you hostile that made the comment "out of anyone that has been on the team TO is who I hated being on here the most." Whatever Hookems reason for hating him that much, his priorities in hate are quite out of order. Point Blank!!!! And your coming to that line of reasoning's defense is asinine as someone not understanding why nicky doesnt deserve some hate in the death of tuinei.

The list should begin with Nicky, goodrich, pacman, and possibly septien (if he did it). We know what those other *******s did. They played a part in ruining someone elses life forever.

Thats all.

People have their opinions. It really is just that easy. I knew he would make some people's lists when I started the thread. Your list, mine, and the near 25,000 other peoples will not likely agree.

Why the need for mock shock? You knew he would be in this thread or you were delusional to begin with.

 

[5Stars]

People have their opinions. It really is just that easy. I knew he would make some people's lists when I started the thread. Your list, mine, and the near 25,000 other peoples will not likely agree.

Why the need for mock shock? You knew he would be in this thread or you were delusional to begin with.

I was happy when TO first came here because I thought he REALLY WANTED to change.

However, he reverted back to his ways that he was when he was with those other teams that finally kicked him to the curb.

"I can't throw and catch the ball all by myself"...after Romo threw to him 16 or 17 times during a game?

Yeah, he was never involved with the law, but he was, and still is, a pain in the *** of any team he plays for...therefore, he belongs on the list.

I wonder if the Bills are keeping him?

Also, there are a lot of names mentioned in this thread about players that I hated to see on the Cowboys, Crankcase being one of them along with Goodrich.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I wish Bum Bright had never bought the team from Clint Murchison. Clint cared about winning. Bum cared about money. He refused to support Landry or Schramm and as such Landry's final years look awful.

How true!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

This has been a very interesting and lively thread. I'm glad it was posted.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Tuinei bought the drugs and shot up over a gram of heroin knowing very well what he was doing. He was chasing the dragon and it caught him.

He might as well have shot himself in the head.

Factor in the time before he was found and the ten+ minutes that it would have taken him to drive to the hospital or wait for a ambulance and hes dead anyway. The only shot he had was getting CPR. Sualua was high and dumb but he did not abandon him.

That does not mitigate the fact that Tuinei went to his pusher, bought the smack and then went to the bathroom to shoot it up. Sualua was a bystander to that and that is what killed him.

You can blame Tuinei or Sualua, but the truth is even if Sualua carried him on his back to the hospital, the next day or the next week or next month Tuinei would have done the same thing, with the same results.

That's what drug addicts do.

Clearly Sualua should have done something, but Tuinei should not have stuck the needle in his own arm.

In this scenario, I don't see how we can absolve Tuinei and blame Sualua.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

sorry everyone the correct answers are:
Roy Williams
Joey Galloway

 

[DallasEast]

No, never thought she was attractive. Not even a little bit. Can't dig chicks with hair shorter than mine.

In other news, yes, TO standing on the star still makes me angry.

Okay. I got nuthin'. :drunk:

Man, TO hate is crazy on this board. I mean you have a guy that killed someone and didnt even stop (goodrich) Pacman who was involved in a man getting paralyzed and a woman getting beat and a man that stood on your teams star is player you hated the most on your team. Dont get me wrong I was pumped when Emmitt ran to the star slammed the ball down kneeled and took the star back, and I was even more pumped when Teague plugged him for trying to go back to the star, but c'mon.....

TO's Female traits (and he does have some) brings out the estrogen in you guys as well.

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[thechosen1n2]

People have their opinions. It really is just that easy. I knew he would make some people's lists when I started the thread. Your list, mine, and the near 25,000 other peoples will not likely agree.

Why the need for mock shock? You knew he would be in this thread or you were delusional to begin with.

I knew he would be on some list as well, but Dang, on top of the most hated player ever. If I was an owner, TO wouldnt be on this team this year either (i would have kept him last year) but he was a huge part of 2 playoff runs ( 2 of 3 in a four year span) that we simply werent use to seeing as dallas fans for a long time. So any key part of those playoff runs dont deserve to be on the list...TO, quincy, newman, juilus, roy williams (s, or wr) Romo, Ellis.

Its similiar to this. If someone made a post about the most hated posters on this board. Hostile you would be on the list because of your hard non budging sarcastic stances. If I posted more, I may be as well because I take hard stances, but at least there is reasoning behind the stances, but even if they dont like you they cant say you dont bring anything to the board. You bring reasoning and a basis behind your reasoning (even if i dont agree with your reasoning all the time). That is so different than I hate him and I hate him more than drunken killers, gun shooting, child molesters. So its not delusion, or mock shock of him being on a list, its more of a shock where on the totem pole he is placed.

 

[DallasEast]

sorry everyone the correct answers are:
Roy Williams
Joey Galloway

Correct for yourself? Yes. Correct for everyone else? Not necessarily.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Man, TO hate is crazy on this board. I mean you have a guy that killed someone and didnt even stop (goodrich) Pacman who was involved in a man getting paralyzed and a woman getting beat and a man that stood on your teams star is player you hated the most on your team. Dont get me wrong I was pumped when Emmitt ran to the star slammed the ball down kneeled and took the star back, and I was even more pumped when Teague plugged him for trying to go back to the star, but c'mon.....

TO's Female traits (and he does have some) brings out the estrogen in you guys as well.

The guy brings nothing out in me except anger. I have never liked him, and never will. I care about what is going on "football" wise in a player's life. Their lives , while maybe very bad and inhumane have nothing to do with the "player", that is all I know is the player, no one personally.

And I hate the PLAYER T-blow. Always will. Closest I have ever got to quitting on this team was the day that puke was sitting in Texas Stadium alongside Jerry.

I don't see how so many can put TO on your short list.

His problem was his mouth and not stuff he did off the field. He fought his butt off for our team.

He wouldn't even be on my list if I had my way. He played hard for the Cowboys, so what. Got them nothing and he was still and is a whiner. A guy that never will change and Dallas should of known better.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Correct for yourself? Yes. Correct for everyone else? Not necessarily.

3 first round picks a 3rd and 6th.

We got useless and even more useless out of them.

 

[Rampage]

No its just that Newman, Roy Williams, chutch, even Quincy shouldnt, and dont deserve to even be on the list. I defend TO b/c he gets too much blame, but I understand why some dont like him, although he belongs noooooo where at the top of the list. See you responding to the comment demonstrates what im talking about. That was not directed at you. You see it wasnt you hostile that made the comment "out of anyone that has been on the team TO is who I hated being on here the most." Whatever Hookems reason for hating him that much, his priorities in hate are quite out of order. Point Blank!!!! And your coming to that line of reasoning's defense is asinine as someone not understanding why nicky doesnt deserve some hate in the death of tuinei.

The list should begin with Nicky, goodrich, pacman, and possibly septien (if he did it). We know what those other *******s did. They played a part in ruining someone elses life forever.

Thats all.

he disrespected the star and this franchise as a 49er,an Eagle and as a Cowboy. he's up near the top of my list along with the guy who signed him.

 

[jterrell]

You can blame Tuinei or Sualua, but the truth is even if Sualua carried him on his back to the hospital, the next day or the next week or next month Tuinei would have done the same thing, with the same results.

That's what drug addicts do.

Clearly Sualua should have done something, but Tuinei should not have stuck the needle in his own arm.

In this scenario, I don't see how we can absolve Tuinei and blame Sualua.

Not sure why this is so hard to follow. Tui didn't get absolved ... he got dead.

He paid the ultimate price while his "buddy" got scared straight and lived on ... but all he had to do was drop Tui off at a Hospital or call 911 but leaving a dude foaming at the mouth in the throes of an OD is unforgivable IMHO. He made a judgment and a guy died. That's neglect at best.

BTW, there are thousands upon thousands of former drug users who almost died from OD's that later cleaned up their act. Assuming Tui would have died anyway is hollow.