Player You Wish Was Never a Cowboy

[TheSport78]

he was able to drive so he couldnt have been too out of it. If two peple are drinking together and one gets poisoning and the other realizes it and does nothing to help him and he dies, i feel that person is partially responsible.

But how far away was the house he drove him and Tuinei to? People get wasted off of alcohol and still drive, it doesn't mean they do it with a clear mind.

 

[JustDezIt]

Spoken like someone that has zero experience with drug culture at all.

First of all with hardcore users, its not uncommon to have to give CPR to a buddy until the drug wears off and they start breathing again.

One would think that at that point they would want to be taken them to the hospital. Not so. I have known people that will shoot up later that same night. This clearly was not those twos first rodeo.

Sualua was high on ex and probably smack. What I am saying is expecting logical thinking is wishful thinking. Its not like Tui did not know this and was putting his life in Sualuas hands. They are two junkies getting high.

Now this is not to say that Sualua is anything more than a junkie loser. He most certainly was but to say that he is responsible for a 300+ lbs man taking enough heroin to kill himself is absurd.

if you check my earlier post you would know that i had a good friend who died in this exact same manner. so unfortunately i have a lil more experience in the area than you think. if he was too high and scared to drive his buddy, or too stupid, or too high, or thought because he came out of it the first time he was ok, that does not absolve him from some blame in the incident in my opinion. it is still partially his fault. he could have acted differently. he didnt. no one said he was responsible, only that he played a role in his death. which he did. if he fell asleep and was unable to see that he had slipped away again, that is partially his fault. just because he was high you wont give him any blame, what if he was sober and had done the same thing. so because he took drugs we cant say that he played a role in his death but we could if he was sober?

 

[TrueBeliever007]

You wouldn't know "real" if it fell out of the sky, landed on your face and wiggled.

:laugh2: :laugh1:

 

[casmith07]

Life is so much easier when Internet experts are able to discern the how and why of historical events.

Next I'd like to see an explanation on how it had to be Lee Harvey Oswald that killed Kennedy.

 

[UnoDallas]

how about David LaFluer

 

[Biggems]

I am being very matter of fact. There's no emo crap at all.

The only way I could dislike another player more is premeditated murder. it is just that simple.

Rae Carruth?

 

[rkell87]

geez you guys are saying the same things to each other over and over again....whats the definition of insanity again?

one side thinks suala is partly responsible cause of his actions leading up to the death such even being able to drive the car anywhere ect.

the other side thinks that it is ludacris to expect any rational thought from someone thats high.

its all in how you percive it.

 

[Hostile]

Rae Carruth?

I detest him. I am glad he was never a Cowboy.

 

[UnoDallas]

how about Ray Lewis

A regular guy named Ray Lewis who wasn't a pro football player would have been convicted on two counts of murder.

It isn't fair that because a guy is a good football player that he can get away with killing people, i.e. Ray Lewis and OJ Simpson. I am surprised Rae Carruth got convicted, he should have got Ray's lawyer.

I agree with your assessment. Ray Lewis is a criminal and should be in jail. Do you really think someone else would have been able to plead to a lesser charge?

 

[Hostile]

how about Ray Lewis

A regular guy named Ray Lewis who wasn't a pro football player would have been convicted on two counts of murder.

It isn't fair that because a guy is a good football player that he can get away with killing people, i.e. Ray Lewis and OJ Simpson. I am surprised Rae Carruth got convicted, he should have got Ray's lawyer.

I agree with your assessment. Ray Lewis is a criminal and should be in jail. Do you really think someone else would have been able to plead to a lesser charge?

I really do not think so.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Spoken like someone that has zero experience with drug culture at all.

First of all with hardcore users, its not uncommon to have to give CPR to a buddy until the drug wears off and they start breathing again.

One would think that at that point they would want to be taken them to the hospital. Not so. I have known people that will shoot up later that same night. This clearly was not those twos first rodeo.

Sualua was high on ex and probably smack. What I am saying is expecting logical thinking is wishful thinking. Its not like Tui did not know this and was putting his life in Sualuas hands. They are two junkies getting high.

Now this is not to say that Sualua is anything more than a junkie loser. He most certainly was but to say that he is responsible for a 300+ lbs man taking enough heroin to kill himself is absurd.

Exactly, you just can't reasonably expect Sualua to be a responsible junkie. That's why their junkies. They're not responsible and both were abusing drugs. It's unfortunate that this happened, but to say that Sualua could have been thinking clearly because he drove is absurd. If you need proof of this, just go down to the local jail on almost any night of the week and take the BAC of a drunk driver. Being able to drive doesn't equal thinking clearly and responsibly.

The whole premise of the OP is skewed by wishful and "should" thinking. Being that things should be one way, but that's not how they are. It's the text book definition of a thinking distortion.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'll never forget his quote on Hard Knocks when made some random play in a pre-season game and kept saying he just got his "swagga back!"

That didn't last long.

The guy made a terrible mistake. I doubt he was ever proud of it and I doubt a day goes by that he doesn't think about it.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Just like I said ..... you could not help yourself from taking a shot at the Boys even when trying to lie about not always talking negatively.


And that picture (if really you) explains a lot.

I didn't see the picture. Help me out here, Zrin.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

geez you guys are saying the same things to each other over and over again....whats the definition of insanity again?

one side thinks suala is partly responsible cause of his actions leading up to the death such even being able to drive the car anywhere ect.

the other side thinks that it is ludacris to expect any rational thought from someone thats high.

its all in how you percive it.

The definition was stated by Einstein. Last time I checked he was a theoretical physicist and not a psychiatrist. Einstein was also a staunch socialist amongst other things. Lets just say that he should have stuck to physics.

That behavior would be attributable to obsessive compulsive disorder.

Psychosis which is what is generally referred to as insanity would not result in someone repeating themselves in and of themselves. Delusional and hallucinatory behavior seldom does.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

if you check my earlier post you would know that i had a good friend who died in this exact same manner. so unfortunately i have a lil more experience in the area than you think. if he was too high and scared to drive his buddy, or too stupid, or too high, or thought because he came out of it the first time he was ok, that does not absolve him from some blame in the incident in my opinion. it is still partially his fault. he could have acted differently. he didnt. no one said he was responsible, only that he played a role in his death. which he did. if he fell asleep and was unable to see that he had slipped away again, that is partially his fault. just because he was high you wont give him any blame, what if he was sober and had done the same thing. so because he took drugs we cant say that he played a role in his death but we could if he was sober?

Again you miss the point. My point is that once he came out of the initial overdose then there would have been no expectation to take him to tthe hospital. IE no junkie in any condition would have done that. Tuinei would not have expected it nor done any different had the roles been reversed.

You may have a friend that died in similar circumstances but he obviously did not share that part of his life with you. Like I said I knew a couple of guys that would take death shots and then use CPR to keep themselves alive. I have known other people whose homes you would walk into and there would be hypos on the floor. A junkies biohazard box of gauze and blood and hypos and who knows what else is one of the more disgusting things on the universe.

I have never stuck a neeedle in my arm because despite everything else that was just a line that I wold not cross. Tuinei crossed that line and he entered that world. Saying that Sualua was supposed to take him to that hospital just means you don't really understand the world that he was in. The moment that Tui looked like he was doing better was the moment that was that. If Sualua was trying to blow him off then he would have just left him. He tried to get him home instead.

 

[JVita17]

Roy Williams

 

[goshan]

I must say Fuzzy is pretty convincing here...seems to know his junkies.

 

[Eskimo]

I'll use my own experience in the ER to answer a few questions.

The fact that you appear not to be breathing according to someone in a high state does not mean that he was dead or too foregone to be saved. many such people go into a severe hypometabolic state and can survive for quite a prolong period in marked respiratory depression. The only proper treatments are to reverse the action of the drug (naloxone) and intubate/ventilate/monitor as necessary in a hospital setting. Whether there would be permanent brain damage due to hypoxia is uncertain and not known until treatment is completed.

As some of you have experienced in your personal lives, doped up people do not think clearly and make horrible decisions that they might not ordinarily make. The fact that Nicky drove does not mean he could safely drive.

It honestly sounds to me like Nicky wanted to help his friend out by avoiding detection. He did not seem to understand there was a good chance Tooie would die if he did not get him to medical attention. Perhaps the two of them had been through this before.

I would agree that Nicky's inaction in terms of getting Tooie to medical attention may have contributed to his death. I doubt his intentions were malicious in this instance.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Terrell Owens. Can't stand the guy. I'll never forgive him for disrespecting the star, but I didn't like him before that happened.

Spot on and agree 100%

If there were ever a guy that I could not stand wearing the star. It was him.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Spot on and agree 100%

If there were ever a guy that I could not stand wearing the star. It was him.

Man, TO hate is crazy on this board. I mean you have a guy that killed someone and didnt even stop (goodrich) Pacman who was involved in a man getting paralyzed and a woman getting beat and a man that stood on your teams star is player you hated the most on your team. Dont get me wrong I was pumped when Emmitt ran to the star slammed the ball down kneeled and took the star back, and I was even more pumped when Teague plugged him for trying to go back to the star, but c'mon.....

TO's Female traits (and he does have some) brings out the estrogen in you guys as well.