Please Explain This To Me About Brady

[Miller]

I admit I jumped to conclusions. I'm willing to let the NFL complete its investigation before drawing any final conclusions. But we know two facts:

1. All of the Patriot balls were under inflated by halftime; 11 of them by 2PSI
2. None of the Colt balls were under inflated

The game time temp was 51 °F.

Unless the laws of physics are different on the Pats sideline than the Colts sideline, its hard to explain the pressure difference without human intervention. Even if we assume the Colts balls were initially inflated to the maximum (13.5PSI), a 2PSI reduction due to the temps would bring the final pressure below the minimum allowed. But that is not what the refs found.

If these facts were presented to a grand jury, they would certainly vote to indict (i.e., allow the case to go to court).

But an indictment is not a guilty verdict.

I agree with everything here except the one variable we don't know...the refs and ball Boys. The refs said they did their job but so did Brady and Hoodie. What if the refs knew that Brady liked his balls light and deflated without testing? I'm not saying it's plausible but right now I want to hear all facts from start to finish before jumping in. I'm not sure a grand jury would have enough. They'd have enough to say balls were under inflated but not by who

 

[DFWJC]

The room tempera

I admit I jumped to conclusions. I'm willing to let the NFL complete its investigation before drawing any final conclusions. But we know two facts:

1. All of the Patriot balls were under inflated by halftime; 11 of them by 2PSI
2. None of the Colt balls were under inflated

The game time temp was 51 °F.

Unless the laws of physics are different on the Pats sideline than the Colts sideline, its hard to explain the pressure difference without human intervention. Even if we assume the Colts balls were initially inflated to the maximum (13.5PSI), a 2PSI reduction due to the temps would bring the final pressure below the minimum allowed. But that is not what the refs found.

If these facts were presented to a grand jury, they would certainly vote to indict (i.e., allow the case to go to court).

But an indictment is not a guilty verdict.

ture of were the balls were inflated is just as important as the game day temp.
I'm not saying this how it happened, but the Colts inflating to 13.5 in a cooler room vs Pats balls inflated to 12.5 in a warmer room would give the results of Pats being below by nearly 2 psi and Colts still all being within range.

I do find it interesting that all but one of the Pats balls were under inflated ....so maybe one was for the kicker?

 

[Rogah]

Still waiting for someone to tell me why the Patriots should be punished more than the Vikings when they got caught tampering with the balls against Carolina. Vikings got nothing more than a letter of warning.

It's a $5 crime, should be a $5 fine. Instead, people want to give them 20 years in federal penitentiary for doing 75 in a 65 zone.

 

[fgoodwin]

The room tempera

ture of were the balls were inflated is just as important as the game day temp.
I'm not saying this how it happened, but the Colts inflating to 13.5 in a cooler room vs Pats balls inflated to 12.5 in a warmer room would give the results of Pats being below by nearly 2 psi and Colts still all being within range.

I do find it interesting that all but one of the Pats balls were under inflated ....so maybe one was for the kicker?

Kicking balls are separate and are under control of the refs. They are marked with a "K" to be easily identifiable. I doubt if the 12th ball was a K-ball.

 

[Rogah]

This should be pretty self explanatory.

It is very obvious Pats are doing this for a few years now.

I've seen many haters post this chart as if it proves something, but the stats simply looked wrong to me. 33 fumbles since 2010??? That's about 6 fumbles a year. Gimme a break.

Sure enough I did some checking and that stat is completely bogus. Tom Brady alone has fumbled the ball 27 times since 2010. The team has fumbled it over 100 times.

So whoever said the Patriots have fumbled 33 times since 2010 is simply wrong. People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

 

[Rogah]

If they suspended Sean Payton for 1 yr then Belicheat should get the same + draft picks.

Poor analogy. A better one is the Vikings. They got caught tampering with the ball against Carolina. They got a letter of warning. So the Patriots should get the same.

 

[Rogah]

I know you weren't addressing me..but...
I think we are going discover the psi of each ball was not measured....though the balls were inspected visually and by hand.

That's what I think too. It has come out that it is quite customary for referees to inspect the balls but giving them the squeeze test and moving on.

 

[fgoodwin]

Poor analogy. A better one is the Vikings. They got caught tampering with the ball against Carolina. They got a letter of warning. So the Patriots should get the same.

Are the Vikings repeat offenders? The Saints weren't; OTOH, player safety (i.e, bounties) is a more serious issue than ball pressure.

 

[fgoodwin]

That's what I think too. It has come out that it is quite customary for referees to inspect the balls but giving them the squeeze test and moving on.

"According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots’ footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch."

This snippet is referring to the pre-game inspection

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-title-game/FxnyFsD2KjSEWETZKLTqeL/story.html

 

[Rogah]

Are the Vikings repeat offenders? The Saints weren't; OTOH, player safety (i.e, bounties) is a more serious issue than ball pressure.

I don't like the comparison to the Saints bounty scandal. That punishment was driven primarily by the fact that the league was being sued for **billions** of dollars by ex-players saying the league did not do enough to protect them (some of those lawsuits are still continuing to this day). So the league has to show that "hey when we find something that jeopardizes player safety, we address it!!" because someday they may have to prove so in a court of law.

So if a first offense merits a letter of warning, what do you think a 2nd offense should be? A more sternly worded letter of warning?

 

[DFWJC]

"According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots’ footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch."

This snippet is referring to the pre-game inspection

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-title-game/FxnyFsD2KjSEWETZKLTqeL/story.html

I notice here it says the league statement said they tested the Patriots' balls at halftime but made no mention of testing the Colts' balls.

I was of the understanding that the Indy balls had been tested.
Does anyone have a link with an NFL statement verifying this.
I assume they had been,but it changes a lot if not.

 

[khiladi]

Still waiting for someone to tell me why the Patriots should be punished more than the Vikings when they got caught tampering with the balls against Carolina. Vikings got nothing more than a letter of warning.

It's a $5 crime, should be a $5 fine. Instead, people want to give them 20 years in federal penitentiary for doing 75 in a 65 zone.

Because BB has cheated before and it has to do with the integrity of the actual game play.

 

[fgoodwin]

I notice here it says the league statement said they tested the Patriots' balls at halftime but made no mention of testing the Colts' balls.

I was of the understanding that the Indy balls had been tested.
Does anyone have a link with an NFL statement verifying this.
I assume they had been,but it changes a lot if not.

"Meanwhile, former NFL official Gerry Austin said on ESPN (via Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post) that all 12 of the Colts’ footballs were properly inflated when checked at halftime and that the one out of 12 New England balls that was not two pounds under minimum was still underinflated."

It's not an NFL statement but it comes from a former NFL official, although it doesn't say how he came by the info. I know, hearsay.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-football-before-dqwell-jackson-interception/

 

[khiladi]

Are the Vikings repeat offenders? The Saints weren't; OTOH, player safety (i.e, bounties) is a more serious issue than ball pressure.

Who was actually hurt in the Saints scandal? Where is the evidence in real life that Saints were systematically targeting people with injuries?

 

[DFWJC]

"Meanwhile, former NFL official Gerry Austin said on ESPN (via Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post) that all 12 of the Colts’ footballs were properly inflated when checked at halftime and that the one out of 12 New England balls that was not two pounds under minimum was still underinflated."

It's not an NFL statement but it comes from a former NFL official, although it doesn't say how he came by the info. I know, hearsay.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-football-before-dqwell-jackson-interception/

Good enough for me
Thanks

 

[DFWJC]

Who was actually hurt in the Saints scandal? Where is the evidence in real life that Saints were systematically targeting people with injuries?

Bret Favre

 

[khiladi]

Bret Favre

I love how they make all these claims about the Saints in the context of NFL lawsuits, but can't provide any real evidence of players being systematically injured by the Saints. Don't you think it would be quite easy to injure anybody.

On the other hand, you got a guy willfully violating rules that impact the actual integrity of the game, stealing signals, messing with radio and wireless frequencies, deflating balls to protect against fumbling, which would actually impact the game play to a large degree yet he gets a slap on the wrist

If anybody doesn't thing play calling doesn't Impact a game and team to a large degree, just look ours. We won four games extra by simply changing our play caller and we're pretty much a SB contender until we got robbed on the Dez catch. Prior to that, we were chokers that scrubbed in December and could only beat below .500 teams on the talent of our QB alone.

 

[fgoodwin]

Who was actually hurt in the Saints scandal? Where is the evidence in real life that Saints were systematically targeting people with injuries?

I'm gonna refer those questions to the NFL.

I don't know all the facts behind the bounty scandal, but I do know that Sean Payton was suspended for a year. I assume it was for a reason, but I don't claim to know all the specifics.

 

[khiladi]

I'm gonna refer those questions to the NFL.

I don't know all the facts behind the bounty scandal, but I do know that Sean Payton was suspended for a year. I assume it was for a reason, but I don't claim to know all the specifics.

They officially said ignorance is no excuse even though he wasn't directly involved.

 

[DFWJC]

I love how they make all these claims about the Saints in the context of NFL lawsuits, but can't provide any real evidence of players being systematically injured by the Saints. Don't you think it would be quite easy to injure anybody.

On the other hand, you got a guy willfully violating rules that impact the actual integrity of the game, stealing signals, messing with radio and wireless frequencies, deflating balls to protect against fumbling, which would actually impact the game play to a large degree yet he gets a slap on the wrist

If anybody doesn't thing play calling doesn't Impact a game and team to a large degree, just look ours. We won four games extra by simply changing our play caller and we're pretty much a SB contender until we got robbed on the Dez catch.

I was kind of kidding there.
It did look like they tried to hurt Favre but that's not unusual and as far as I know they didn't have a bounty (though I've heard they did it's just hearsay).

I have no interest in the bounty thing. Yes, for sure it happened in New Orleans, but I suspect it was going on all over the place.