Please Explain This To Me About Brady

[tyke1doe]

We disagree then.
Simple as that

Fair enough.

 

[visionary]

His take is predicated on an assumption that the balls were inspected with a gauge prior to kick-off by league officials, but there is reason to suspect they did not (such as a former ball boy saying they often were not.) Pereira thinks someone got to the balls after that inspection - and I agree that would be a big deal, but I'm more inclined to believe the balls simply never got properly inspected by the league in the first place.

So I should not believe a guy who did something for several decades but should believe your assumption based on exactly nothing?

Sure

 

[visionary]

The Colts lost that game big time, but ball pressure had very little to do with it.

The refs re-inflated the balls for the second half, and I believe the Pats outscored the Colts 28-0 in the second half using properly inflated balls.

But I agree they cheated and should be punished.

That argument holds no water for several reasons that should be readily apparent:

1. The Pats did this when they had no idea they would blow out the colts

2. When you are down 14 points you take chances and play differently than you would otherwise which can lead to interceptions, low percentage passes, less balanced offense etc, so changing back the balls in the second half is not as helpful as it seems

 

[big dog cowboy]

BB is as shady as they come..

 

[visionary]

No, I don't think cheating is cheating if you didn't know it any more than a lie is a lie if you don't know you're telling one.
Both cheating and lying imply that you know the truth yet you don't share it. They involve a black-and-white relationship. The speeding analogy doesn't work because it involves a situation multiple variables. You could be speeding or you couldn't. You really don't know because you didn't look at the speedometer the whole time.
But ... if you tell a lie, you HAVE looked at the truth. And in the face of that truth, you go counter to it. Same with cheating. You know the rule, but you go counter to it. There is more a black-and-white correlation in one situation (cheating, lying) than it is another (speeding).
Now, you could very well exceed the speed limit beyond 35 and then say you didn't. That would be lying. But I think you would know if you were going say, 60 mph than 33 mph.

Oh, and sometimes hairs need to be split.

In the case of the saints td NFL set the precedent that lack of knowledge is not reason enough to avoid a penalty, they held that the team and HC should have known

The same standard should be applied here

 

[fgoodwin]

Maybe the Pats apologists can explain why every Colts ball was within specs, but all 12 Pats balls were not.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Maybe the Pats apologists can explain why every Colts ball was within specs, but all 12 Pats balls were not.

Uh..well..it's like this...mmm..I know nothing about it!

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Draft pick is meaningless
If they knowingly did this then BB and Brady should be banned from the SB

That would be the only fair way
They took away the opportunity of going to the SB unfairly so it should be taken away from them

to ban them would require that Roger the Good actually talks to them before next Sunday. He won't be making that phone call until February 2

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

In reality though, SeahawkFan cannot complain as they used illegal balls to screw us when Romo fumbled the snap in 2007.

 

[Deep_South]

Maybe the Pats apologists can explain why every Colts ball was within specs, but all 12 Pats balls were not.

Actually we are all in a single category right now - those who don't know how the balls ended up with air pressure under spec.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Maybe if the Pats win the SB Tom will retire. I saw between he & Giselle their wealth is at $400 million. Nothing else to prove & his name/rep has been tarnished already. That damage is done.

 

[DFWJC]

Actually we are all in a single category right now - those who don't know how the balls ended up with air pressure under spec.

Correct.
We do know that one team liked their balls at the bottom end of the psi range--which means they probably always let air of the balls legally. So talk of someone letting air out one way or the other would prove nothing. But how they got even below that psi range is the question. Cold air and normal game play can account for a small amount (and auto tires are not a good comparable because they are 100x more durable and less permeable) but still not as much as what was found.

I assume at some point we'll find out. But for now, no one is proven guilty. In fact, the game refs have this responsibility more than the players on the field.

 

[Miller]

I put this in the other thread but see it's being discussed here


Refs have sucked all post season...Lions/Cowboys; Cowboys/Packers, etc. What if the refs didn't inspect the balls properly or have them at their specs pregame? Sure it was only on one side but they did have them a majority of time. Now the league put out a memo with how they have interviewed 40 people so far, how they have a forensics groups looking at video, etc. CYA by the NFL. Then they come back..."we found nothing." Please don't take this as a pro-Pats cheating post. Just more of a what if that popped into my head after reading the NFLs memo about their crack investigation.

 

[tyke1doe]

Maybe if the Pats win the SB Tom will retire. I saw between he & Giselle their wealth is at $400 million. Nothing else to prove & his name/rep has been tarnished already. That damage is done.

This too shall pass. If Tom Brady wins a Super Bowl, he won't retire. He'll try to be the first quarterback to win five Super Bowls.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

This too shall pass. If Tom Brady wins a Super Bowl, he won't retire. He'll try to be the first quarterback to win five Super Bowls.

Maybe. I've never heard him say that but have not looked for it either. He can do whatever he wants. They have the money to do anything. Their home in CA they just built is for sale for $50 million. It's the size of a small city.

 

[Jarv]

The Colts lost that game big time, but ball pressure had very little to do with it.

The refs re-inflated the balls for the second half, and I believe the Pats outscored the Colts 28-0 in the second half using properly inflated balls.

But I agree they cheated and should be punished.

I hope they are regretting it, thinking darn it, we didn't need to cheat this time. Wish we didn't and saved it for a close game.

 

[khiladi]

This should be pretty self explanatory.

It is very obvious Pats are doing this for a few years now.

Pretty damning, and notice how they simply mention this as related to what Tom Brady allegedly likes, as if fumbling and holding onto the ball is not even mentioned in the context of deflating balls, especially in rainy, slippery conditions.

 

[khiladi]

Maybe. I've never heard him say that but have not looked for it either. He can do whatever he wants. They have the money to do anything. Their home in CA they just built is for sale for $50 million. It's the size of a small city.

I saw it in Architectural Digest. While I can't stand that dude, his taste in houses is phenomenal. I can't believe they are selling it.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I saw it in Architectural Digest. While I can't stand that dude, his taste in houses is phenomenal. I can't believe they are selling it.

It is beautiful! Building it for 2 or 3 years & they barely lived in it.

He's a bit of a metrosexual.

 

[Nightman]

Correct.
We do know that one team liked their balls at the bottom end of the psi range--which means they probably always let air of the balls legally. So talk of someone letting air out one way or the other would prove nothing. But how they got even below that psi range is the question. Cold air and normal game play can account for a small amount (and auto tires are not a good comparable because they are 100x more durable and less permeable) but still not as much as what was found.

I assume at some point we'll find out. But for now, no one is proven guilty. In fact, the game refs have this responsibility more than the players on the field.

The refs said they inspected all the balls before kickoff with a gauge and they were all legit. At least 11 and maybe 12 of the Pats balls were at least 2 psi under the limit at half time.

None of the Indy balls were deflated at all at halftime or after the game. That is a full 4 hours after inspection out in the weather.

Therefore the Pats balls had to be tampered with after inspection, because it wasn't the weather or the refs not doing their jobs