Please stop bashing our starting QB

[SultanOfSix]

What does any of this have to do with whether or not Elway had the same level of football sense as Young, Roger or Aikman?

Umm...everything?

 

[dannyz]

Parcells is one of the greatest coaching minds in any professional sport and if he thought Tony Romo could walk on water than believe Bledsoe would be history by now.

I think that the Romo lovers just need to keep reading this.. the guys who think they know better after watching Romo play in a few meaningless preseason games than the Tuna who has watched him develop for the past several seasons (and has told us and the media numerous times that he is not ready). If you find yourself in that category, do us all a favor and put one in the head, cause the rest of us are tired of your BS.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Bottom line in all this is that Michael W's characterization, generally speaking, is accurate.

We could argue back and forth all day long as to exactly how every QB in the NFL should be characterized, but at the end of the day, Michaels's general idea is correct. Bledsoe has been a quality NFL QB, and that is mainly due to the quality of his throwing arm. The mental side is his drawback, and has kept him from being labled among the NFL elite at the position despite bigtime career numbers in certain categories (yardage and TD's).

Guys like Bradshaw also fall in that category, but his crossover into joining the greats in people's minds is due more to having been on great teams that won Super Bowls than his own personal talent.

At the other end of the spectrum are guys like Montana, who did not have particularly strong physical abilities, but his instincts and intellegence elevated him to one of the top QB's ever.

Elway, in my mind, fits somewhere in between. I think it's fair to say that Elway matured as he got older, developing beyond the player he was in his early years who relied almost solely on athleticism and a big arm to a much more efficient QB who learned the value of making better decsions, minimizing mistakes and focusing on higher percentage passes.

See if you are talking about Bledsoe I say you are right.
If you are talking about Bradshaw you are right.

I just don't see it in elway.

I just think it was an over reach in order to compare bledsoe

Sorry

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

What does any of this have to do with whether or not Elway had the same level of football sense as Young, Roger or Aikman?

Yes really what does it have to do.

The orignal post that brought up elway had him in the same list as not Young, Roger or Aikman.

It had him in the list of Bradshaw and Bledsoe.

See where I am getting at here?

No way should Elway be in the same boat as Bradshaw or Bledsoe.

 

[Hostile]

Bottom line in all this is that Michael W's characterization, generally speaking, is accurate.

We could argue back and forth all day long as to exactly how every QB in the NFL should be characterized, but at the end of the day, Michaels's general idea is correct. Bledsoe has been a quality NFL QB, and that is mainly due to the quality of his throwing arm. The mental side is his drawback, and has kept him from being labled among the NFL elite at the position despite bigtime career numbers in certain categories (yardage and TD's).

Guys like Bradshaw also fall in that category, but his crossover into joining the greats in people's minds is due more to having been on great teams that won Super Bowls than his own personal talent.

At the other end of the spectrum are guys like Montana, who did not have particularly strong physical abilities, but his instincts and intellegence elevated him to one of the top QB's ever.

Elway, in my mind, fits somewhere in between. I think it's fair to say that Elway matured as he got older, developing beyond the player he was in his early years who relied almost solely on athleticism and a big arm to a much more efficient QB who learned the value of making better decsions, minimizing mistakes and focusing on higher percentage passes.

Bottom line, I disagree. I think there's a reason why he is the mold all QBs are compared to and it's because he had all the skills and the smarts.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

And that would be an excellent argument to make. One I hope starts to enter the QB I&I equation very soon....as it's not only relevant to assessing the whole qb and his contributions to the game, but because combining a runner's more bird's eye view with the qb's wider holistic vision is such a fascinating ability.

But I can tell you right now, Bledsoe sucks in that thread as well..

Yes.

Bledsoe does suck and Bradshaw sucks in the mental area of QBing.

Does Elway even remotely deserve to be lumped in with those two...that is my point.

Could you say with a straight face that Elway should be lumped in with Bradshaw and Bledsoe in the mental area?

 

[Hostile]

See if you are talking about Bledsoe I say you are right.
If you are talking about Bradshaw you are right.

I just don't see it in elway.

I just think it was an over reach in order to compare bledsoe

Sorry

BP, we 100% agree.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

BP, we 100% agree.

Well that makes me mad.

So...just to make you mad.

Polite has been cut...no really.

 

[Hostile]

Well that makes me mad.

So...just to make you mad.

Polite has been cut...no really.

Yeah, I just saw the thread. My blood pressure went way up.

Lunch is going to suck.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yeah, I just saw the thread. My blood pressure went way up.

Lunch is going to suck.

I doubt he comes out this year, probably not until next year.

But I think you would love Owen Schmitt (the FB in my sig) from WVU.

If you watched him and heard the stories you would love him.

 

[Stautner]

Umm...everything?

REALLY?

He responded to a comment about Elway's "football sense" compared to Young, Montana and Aikman by saying it is unfair to compare Elway to Marino and Bledsoe ......?

And you think that applies?

The only way that applies is if you believe Young, Montana and Aikman never actually existed, and it was really Marino and Bledsoe in disguise wearing Cowboy, 49er, Tampa Bay and Kansas City uniforms in all those games you thought they were playing.

 

[Hostile]

I doubt he comes out this year, probably not until next year.

But I think you would love Owen Schmitt (the FB in my sig) from WVU.

If you watched him and heard the stories you would love him.

I saw him in the Maryland game and yes I like him.

FBs get no love.

 

[StarAmongStars]

I think that the Romo lovers just need to keep reading this.. the guys who think they know better after watching Romo play in a few meaningless preseason games than the Tuna who has watched him develop for the past several seasons (and has told us and the media numerous times that he is not ready). If you find yourself in that category, do us all a favor and put one in the head, cause the rest of us are tired of your BS.

Shhhhh......you might dash their fantasies of Romo coming in and going undefeated all the way to the superbowl. :laugh1: :laugh2:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I saw him in the Maryland game and yes I like him.

FBs get no love.

Well in WVU...TE's get no love.

The last three years I could count the number of passes the TEs have gotten on both hands...probably one hand.:

 

[Stautner]

Yes.

Bledsoe does suck and Bradshaw sucks in the mental area of QBing.

Does Elway even remotely deserve to be lumped in with those two...that is my point.

Could you say with a straight face that Elway should be lumped in with Bradshaw and Bledsoe in the mental area?

You need to step back from this for a second and realize what he is saying.

He is not saying Elway is stupid, nor is he even saying Elway is stupid in a football sense. And he certainly isn't saying that Elway wasn't a great QB or that he wasn't better than Bledsoe or Bradshaw.

What he is saying is that Elway relied greatly on his physical tools - that his overwhelming physical ability was what separated him from the crowd more so than on his instincts and "football sense", as opposed to a guy like Montana who didn't have those same physical tools but relied much more on the mental aspects of the game to acheive greatness.

 

[SultanOfSix]

REALLY?

He responded to a comment about Elway's "football sense" compared to Young, Montana and Aikman by saying it is unfair to compare Elway to Marino and Bledsoe ......?

And you think that applies?

The only way that applies is if you believe Young, Montana and Aikman never actually existed, and it was really Marino and Bledsoe in disguise wearing Cowboy, 49er, Tampa Bay and Kansas City uniforms in all those games you thought they were playing.

No he didn't. He said it was unfair to group Elway with Bradshaw and Bledsoe. And I agree with him.

Elway had tremendous football sense. Just because the rest of his team that surrounded him couldn't compare to the teams that surrounded Montana or Aikman doesn't diminish this fact.

 

[Angus]

He is probably the best Overall QB to play the game.

That is extremely high praise for Elway. You mean he puts Sammy Baugh and all the other old timers in the shade (who called their own plays and played both offense and defense) as well as more recent luminaries?

 

[Hostile]

Shhhhh......you might dash their fantasies of Romo coming in and going undefeated all the way to the superbowl. :laugh1: :laugh2:

For the first time in my life I'm going to say this.

Bledsoe sucks.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

That is extremely high praise for Elway. You mean he puts Sammy Baugh and all the other old timers in the shade (who called their own plays and played both offense and defense) as well as more recent luminaries?

I am talking purely as QB and the combination of throwing and passing and fire.

I am not going back in time when a team made a QB play both sides of the ball.:laugh2:

 

[StarAmongStars]

For the first time in my life I'm going to say this.

Bledsoe sucks.

LOL :laugh1: :laugh2:

Somebody is in a foul mood today?