Please Washington play your starters vs US. We need the 11th pick in the draft!

DallasEast said:
No. There is nothing wrong with discussing the draft--even though it would be wiser talking about it after it has solidified itself as you point out. The entire problem is folks blaming others for not rooting for loses. It is completely illogical blaming fellow members for something they have zero control over. What's next? Blaming clouds for rain???
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the TOO TOO TOO SOON Mocks are a waste of time and never amount to much ie nothing yet to talk about, so random opinions have already been beat like 14-year-old pasture horse!!
 
blueblood70 said:
the TOO TOO TOO SOON Mocks are a waste of time and never amount to much ie nothing yet to talk about, so random opinions have already been beat like 14-year-old pasture horse!!
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So has literally every topic on the front page....Coaching situation, Cooper Rush, tanking,resigning Dak, Micah....Its pretty much all recycled topics. If people enjoy the early mock drafts let them have their fun. If its not your thing dont click on the thread and stick to other posts.

Personally with the Cowboys season ending next weekend I find it pretty fun to start looking at the draft prospects early.
 
DallasEast said:
lol @ 'need'. What fans want or not want is irrelevant.

Fans rooting for wins does not affect whether the team win, loses, or what slot and which player the franchise drafts. Likewise, fans rooting for loses does not affect whether the team win, loses, or what slot and which player the franchise drafts.

There has been a long-term logical fallacy concerning what fan rooting can do. The franchise's eventual draft position has been and will always be out of all fans' hands--with zero exceptions.
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True! Wins and losses are completely out of our hands, but what we want as fans is not irrelevant to us! Some of us fans want the best future for this team during a lost season.

In a meaningless game: Players think in the present, as they should. Smart owners should think about the future. Some fans, like players only think about the present, and some fans, like smart owners, think about the future.
 
fivetwos said:
I hear you, but the every round thing is incorrect.

Strength of schedule is used to break ties in round one, then teams with identical records alternate in subsequent rounds, so if four teams are 8-9, whoever selected first in round one will go to fourth in round two.

I get what you’re saying and I’m not trying to be a know it all, but I just don’t understand why it’s such a big deal either way in this particular year. Yes, 11 vs 17 is different, but it’s unlikely they fall below 15. The pick is most likely to be 12th.

Don’t confuse me with being someone that’s openly hoping for a meaningless win…and have to watch Jerry dance in the hallway again and boast… but a loss doesn’t really change much the way this year has unfolded with so many bad teams, and this being kind of a meh draft. I don’t see any real way to make a distinction between what type of player they are likely to get.

The better point of your original is if Quinn plays his starters or not. I haven’t looked but it probably means 5 vs 6 seed? Unsure. Could be the difference between a trip to Atlanta as opposed to the Rams, who I wouldn’t want to run into right now.
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Good point!
 
Captain43Crash said:
True! Wins and losses are completely out of our hands, but what we want as fans is not irrelevant to us! Some of us fans want the best future for this team during a lost season.

In a meaningless game: Players think in the present, as they should. Smart owners should think about the future. Some fans, like players only think about the present, and some fans, like smart owners, think about the future.
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IT ALL OUT OF OUR HANDS

but here we are.

truly you have one thing to control, YOU>..how you decide to be fan or not.. the rest is all opinion and debate , a heavy dose of rhetoric and Hyperbole mixed with Ego and the strong instinct to always be right and question everything being performed by pros from the common folk, sometimes the egocentric thick posts will create these flame wars.

I find it insane on how many people in here are wasting their talents I mean they have so many opinions on how they can coach better call plays better run plays better and build teams better than the actual professionals to do it for a living... I mean you are missing your calling I mean 75% of the people in here really believe that they can do a better job than the Jones family and I find that entertaining and not in the good way it makes me laugh out loud I get it we all like to have our say but in the end you don't know what it's like to run a professional sports team and to judge the front office by how maybe the top three to five teams do it versus the ones that are consistently below them the bottom 20 or more literally yeah Cowboys build these regular season teams that are typically very good top six and win percentage the last decade I'm pretty sure that's hard to do as well because I see teams who have consistently made all these changes that you all say needs to be done regular G miss changing owners changing GM changing cities constantly changing the quarterback and they're still bad I mean the Cleveland Browns are a epitome I'm back and people wanna talk about the Cowboys the Cowboys at least win their division they at least are winning in the regular season the Cleveland Browns haven't even won a division since 1989 and yet everyone in here believes they have a better answer than the Jones family know it's true their top five or six organizations in this 32 league that have done it better that seem to have the answer but really it seems like one team a decade or more like say the Cowboys the patriots the chiefs and maybe some other teams are building towards that but it's usually being dominated by a single team.

Of course as a fan base we want it done better we wanna get to an NFC championship game and win another Super Bowl but it is that difficult it took the chiefs 56 years to get back to where they are right now finally winning Super Bowls again it takes that kind of drought and we're in one it's not even halfway there to what the chiefs took it's the truth we may look better with a different GM or a traditional system in the front office but I'm not buying that it would make us instant champions again because I look around the league and there are teams that have never won a Super Bowl some of them that have never been to a Super Bowl or some of them that only won one in higher existence so how is that some kind of blueprint?​
 
Captain43Crash said:
True! Wins and losses are completely out of our hands, but what we want as fans is not irrelevant to us! Some of us fans want the best future for this team during a lost season.
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This is an example of the fallacy in action. What fans want for themselves is 100% important to each individual. It is not even selfish wanting what is best.

That said, what fans want for the team is an intangible wish. Such wishes are not applicable in the real world. Case in point (read this):

"I WISH JERRY JONES WOULD SELL THE TEAM!"

Stop.

Wait for it...

Dang it. Nothing happen.

/lesson
 
DallasEast said:
This is an example of the fallacy in action. What fans want for themselves is 100% important to each individual. It is not even selfish wanting what is best.

That said, what fans want for the team is an intangible wish. Such wishes are not applicable in the real world. Case in point (read this):

"I WISH JERRY JONES WOULD SELL THE TEAM!"

Stop.

Wait for it...

Dang it. Nothing happen.

/lesson
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Let's break into Dak's GFs car....pawn her stuff and but the team. You go first, Bob will keep a look out. I'll throw a distraction.
 
Ranching said:
No, you said "I WISH JERRY WOUOD SELL THE TEAM" Let's buy it!
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Yeah there's no lottery you can win big enough to buy a NFL team to buy any big time sports franchise but even if there were maybe you can do a go fund me and raise 10 billion but here's the other problem you realize that when you put in a bid there has to be one open the NFL really has a spot open to buy an NFL team unless something weird happens you know like with Washington.... But even if that happens you would have to have the money and the opportunity meet at the same time and then hope that they award you the team....

So the delusion here is that 1 you could raise that kind of money and two if you did there be an opportunity to buy an NFL team and three it probably wouldn't be the Dallas Cowboys the league is not allowing that to happen right now if it were this Dallas cowboy team it was bad as described by our fans how is it we're still on prime time we're being talked about in every single media outlet there is to talk about the Cowboys find their way in there it's like the six degrees separation for the Dallas Cowboys they find a way Dallas Cowboys....

If you need attention all you do is attach yourself to the Dallas Cowboys if you're a free agent needing to up your value just say you're interested in the Dallas Cowboys if you're a draft pick you say you wanna be a Dallas cowboy I mean the Dallas Cowboys if they were as bad as this fan base thinks and we are not because we would not be top 6IN regular season win percentage that is why we still have primetime games 'cause we're competitive usually most years outside of 2020 and this year with injuries it's an anomaly you're still looked at as a top tier team even if we're not a top five front office or organization as far as aggressively building a team the league still likes Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys they are not allowing that opening to come up anytime soon so if you have something to control it be going away 'cause if you think that the only reason you're staying around is a cowboy fan is waiting for the Jones family to get rid of this team and for a complete reboot to happen for the Dallas Cowboys don't hold your breath it's not happening....

That's why when I say if you choose to be a fan this is something you just have to get over and stop making it an issue this is not a debate who is gonna be the GM and running this football team as an organization is not gonna change anytime soon to Jones family even when Jerry himself is not available anymore at whatever that means he's in a nursing home he has dementia or he passes away it's coming to the rest of the Jones family and I'm not sure that I'll ever get better it didn't happen with the Raiders and al Davis.... They are still far worse an organization than Dallas Cowboys but they didn't get better when he left...​
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So let's talk football because the rest of it's not gonna change
 
Captain43Crash said:
True! Wins and losses are completely out of our hands, but what we want as fans is not irrelevant to us! Some of us fans want the best future for this team during a lost season.

In a meaningless game: Players think in the present, as they should. Smart owners should think about the future. Some fans, like players only think about the present, and some fans, like smart owners, think about the future.
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You know there's at least a dozen teams in this league that have been far worse than the Cowboys over the last couple of decades but let's just stay in the last 10 years or so how is it that the Browns have had some of the highest first round draft picks multiple first round draft picks over a decade and still can't find a way to win a division since 1989 you're telling me that the draft is the key to make sure you get the best players in the draft how is it some teams who consistently pick in the top five are not rebuilding their teams with good draft picks typically?

I've watched teams try and then what happens when they can't find a quarterback they ended up going and using drop picks and trading for one overpaying for them and it still don't work out it doesn't seem that there's a blueprint high drop picks and consistently picking in the top five of the draft let alone the top 10 does not give you any kind of advantage because I haven't seen it I mean ask The Jets and the Broncos how many decades is taking that they didn't have to buy a quarterback or can't find a receiver I mean that's New England right I mean how often did they pick in the top ten recently they can't find a quarterback but hell they've been looking for a receiver for a decade or more and we found one at 17 in the first round at 17 how is it they didn't get that guy how is lamb not a New England Patriot I don't know...

I get what you're saying logic says if you have a higher draft picks in every round you should have an advantage but history says it's not true people tend to make mistakes and I always use this analogy if you have too many choices too many really good players or at least allegedly on paper good players it's like menu no one likes one of those five page menus at a really nice restaurant where everything looks good everything sounds good and you can't make a decision and when you do make a decision even when you're eating it you're not sure if it's the right decision because you haven't even used the rest of the menu yet you the sample the entire menu eventually to know whether you made a good choice or not...​
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Oh in a lot of ways that's what the draft is it's a big menu and sometimes when you have too many choices when you have too many holes to fill you can end up reaching you can end up taking players and you end up taking the wrong players when you have less choices and it's quite obvious who your top choice is when it's time for you to pick it's less convoluted to a point where you might make a better pick...

We all have a different way of looking at it and I'm not disagreeing that having a higher draft pick is supposed to be an advantage they're better players by the time you pick but I don't I'm saying it doesn't typically workout there is no blueprint there's no magic pill sometimes you gotta get lucky that is why really good players slip all over the draft that is why guys like Tom Brady weren't even considered Brock Purdy Russell Wilson these dudes were not reached for and they turned out to be very good players in the NFL the same with undrafted players same with low draft picks like Terrell Davis or pachenko I mean even Prescott taking in the fourth round is that still gonna be a steal whether you like him or not he should have been a first rounder but he wasn't how about Deron bland is a perfect example around here or how does a player like Turpin or Aubrey or even we haven't seen enough of Butler but these guys weren't even considered NFL players but they really were that's why the draft is imperfect just like the people picking....

Yeah I know my stuff's too long you won't read it but you know what it's a lot of good information up there we all hope the Cowboys are successful in the draft and free agency and we have a better year next year but hoping for a loss just to improve our odds I mean wanting the other team to lay down so we won't beat them it's just kind of weird to me it's not something we have control of I actually wanna see us win the game but when we lose it doesn't hurt this time as much as it would because we're out of it and yes it does improve the draft. But don't you find it odd that Micah Parsons we had the 10th pick in the draft we saw the opportunity move down to picks got micah parsons and we got osa. we saw the opportunity to move down to picks got Micah Parsons and we got OSA they passed up on number 10 to get the number 12 and still got both their guys...
 
Ranching said:
No, you said "I WISH JERRY WOUOD SELL THE TEAM" Let's buy it!
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Sounds good. Let me know after you have made all the financial arrangements for the purchase. Afterwards, I will contact the Joneses for the meeting.
 
Everyone does their fan thing differently. I don’t see a problem with any of it.

Want to root for a loss to maybe move from 13 to 11 in round one? Fine by me. That’s actually worth a third round pick.

Want to win because you think it sets a tone for next year? Sure

Want to win because it’s against Washington? Great.

I’m confused and never have been in this spot. Not gonna root against my team but if I have to listen or watch Jerry try to tell people about all the positives I may purposely break things that I value.
 
fivetwos said:
I’m confused and never have been in this spot. Not gonna root against my team but if I have to listen or watch Jerry try to tell people about all the positives I may purposely break things that I value.
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:laugh:
 
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