Point: Kellen Moore Deserves Chance To Answer Questions About QB Spot

Idgit said:
I think Jerry and Jason are probably on the same page re: the veteran QB, though I agree that Jerry does like Cassel for some reasons.

I would have gone with Moore in the 2nd half, too. It was obvious we weren't moving the ball. Then we had that great drive on the ground, and I thought "well, maybe we'll get it together a little bit here and we're safer with a guy we think won't throw a pick." And then it became evident that he also wasn't going to throw many completions, either.

114 yards and a pick. Even if the pick isn't entirely his fault. Yuck.
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Well Aikman said some qb's have a problem with the wet ball, and they both said it looked like cassel was one of the ones who
had a problem.
Also cassel would look too long and then not throw, and not move, and some of his throws were awful.
thats when you go to moore and see how he does, you can always go back to cassel lol.
But no they stay the course and that was a winnable game.
 
DandyDon52 said:
Well Aikman said some qb's have a problem with the wet ball, and they both said it looked like cassel was one of the ones who
had a problem.
Also cassel would look too long and then not throw, and not move, and some of his throws were awful.
thats when you go to moore and see how he does, you can always go back to cassel lol.
But no they stay the course and that was a winnable game.
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Accept he played in New England. Talk about bad weather.
 
I am a little surprised there are those on this board who never saw Moore play in college and are not familiar with him at all.

He played on a very good BSU team with, among others, Tyrone Crawford and Doug Martin.

Moore and BSU beat Oregon twice, Georgia, VA Tech, TCU.

That success was due to all the talent on the team, but it always felt like Moore was the driving force on the team. He often threw to his 3rd and 4th reads and rarely made mistakes. He isn't Jeff George, but I think his lack of arm strength is over-stated. He always seemed to throw balls with the proper velocity for the play.

From a little that I read/heard, teammates in Detroit seemed to have nothing but positive things to say about him as a player and an a guy that came in and took charge of the huddle.

NFL coaching staffs, or at least Linehan, love him because he can run the scout team and pick up any offense quickly enough to show the defense what they are going to see that week.

He was excellent at sensing pressure in the pocket in college, but it will take him some time against first team'ers to get the speed of the game, IMO.

The downside, he is small and slow-footed. He might not last a few big hits. He rarely took them in college but did get knocked out once against TCU.

Him not playing in Dallas isn't necessarily any reflection of his ability. The Jones era in Dallas hasn't been a model of QB evaluation skill. Aikman was a no-brainer, and if not for Payton Romo would probably of won a super bowl somewhere else by now and never took a regular season snap in Dallas.

Remember how bad it had to get with Bledsoe before they finally pulled him and played Romo?

That is all you need to know about how clueless the Jones clan is when it comes to QBs.
 
DandyDon52 said:
the offense is bad, but I think moore would do better passing, by being on target, and finding receivers, and throwing quicker, and hopefully
not staring down 1 guy.
Moore has not played, so i would give him a break for first game and judge him more on 2nd game and 3rd game.

Knowing JG and jerry, he might just get 1 possession with a lot of runs called.

Cowboys are done now so they should start moore next game, but they wont.
Dallas would have to win next 3 games in a row to have a chance, and also have other teams lose, and that is such a longshot.
I dont think dallas can win more than 2 of next 3, which means they are done.
They cant win div with 10 losses.
Odds are they will win none or maybe the wash game at end.

So why not play moore?
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I have no problem with playing Moore at this point.
 
Moore has the same arm as Cassel or Romo for that matter, none of the three will shoot lasers all over the field or attack the deep outs. But hey, what do we have to lose, if the Jets game begins to go badly, look for Moore.
 
Idgit said:
We might not, though. A guy with his physical limitations might not get his chance if you don't give it to him now. It's always going to be easier to go with the tall, experienced veteran for that backup role. If you're developing a guy, realistically it's not going to be a guy you got off of the DET practice squad. And if Moore outplays a guy you do tab as your next rookie project in camp, you always have to wonder if it's just because he's been in the system longer, or whether the rookie is just not very good. Either way, you're still inclined to give that roster spot for QB3 to the guy you just drafted.
If Moore's every going to prove he's capable of being even a QB2, it's going to be this week or next week. I see zero reason to stick with a guy who gives you 114 yards and a pick on his way to a 41.5 rating just because of his 'experience,' If his experience is all in not converting 3rd downs in Dallas, then it's really not all that helpful, right?

I don't even care about the draft pick. Nothing of real significance is going to change with the structure of the organization this offseason. I'd rather have the lower pick and not the stink of losing out than the higher pick and an even worse record. It's pretty tough to sell the team on the process again after it gets you to 4-12 the year before.
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Love you like a play brother man but there is so little logic in suspecting Moore is better than a top 5 pick(regardless of position) it is hard to overstate.

If Moore can win a job here as a back up he has far superceded his arm strength/talent. Moore 'may' be a solid back up here but he isn't a franchise guy.

I fully support non-tank thinking while sliver of playoff visions dance. But at this point, it would be almost foolish to win games.
 
noshame said:
Moore has the same arm as Cassel or Romo for that matter, none of the three will shoot lasers all over the field or attack the deep outs. But hey, what do we have to lose, if the Jets game begins to go badly, look for Moore.
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stop man, just stop.

moore has a significantly less arm than romo and far less than cassel did in his prime. --last week with a wet ball cassel likely did have moore type arm strength.
 
jterrell said:
stop man, just stop.

moore has a significantly less arm than romo and far less than cassel did in his prime. --last week with a wet ball cassel likely did have moore type arm strength.
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from his time in detroit....

According to Anwar Richardson, Kellen Moore's lack of arm strength has been pretty noticeable during Lions practices this offseason. Matthew Stafford defended Moore's ability to play quarterback in the NFL this week, as did Jim Schwartz.
"I've seen him throw comebacks," Lions quarterback Stafford said. "I think he has plenty of arm. He's not going to be Aaron Rodgers, ripping it 60, 75-yards downfield, but he's got plenty of arm to win. He knows what he does best and how he can win."

I have a feeling Moore's arm strength (or lack thereof) will be a topic brought up again once training camp and the preseason begin.


.....Then he was released.
 
jterrell said:
stop man, just stop.

moore has a significantly less arm than romo and far less than cassel did in his prime. --last week with a wet ball cassel likely did have moore type arm strength.
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You stop,
Romo is 35 with a bad back and no longer has a average arm, never had a above average arm, just a super quick release, and the same with Cassel if you can't see that stick your head back in the sand.
 
DandyDon52 said:
everyone or most want to see moore except JG and Jones boys, so I doubt he gets a shot.

I would rather see Tanney play than cassel.
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Moore won't play until next week, if at all.

Until they are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs they'll roll with Cassel. As if this team has shown anything under his QB reign that would suggest they could reel off 3 straight wins. The guy has won 1 time in how many tries is it now?

But, yeah, he's magically going to reel off three straight now.
 
If Moore's arm is strong enough to deserve to be on the roster then it's strong enough to deserve to play.

I dont want to hear people talking about arm strength. It's the equivalent to talking about a RB's 40 yard dash...I am old enough and have watched enough football to realize that this isn't what determines success or failure. Especially at the QB position. I don't have a strong opinion on Moore. I just see a guy like Drew Brees who is similar in size and looks similar in arm and I would rather see what Moore has than see what Cassel has again.

Yes the unknown is better than the known if the known is known to be garbage.
 
Idgit said:
It's rough in the NFL when you don't have a QB.

I'd have pulled Cassel at halftime this week. I know it was raining, but he wasn't able to do anything out there at all. There's no way to win a game when you can't throw the football.
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Cassel sucks, no debating that, but in his defense he did throw a strike to Dez in the endzone that hit him right in the hands. I expect a top 3 WR making $70 million to be able to catch a ball that hits him in the hands.

Like I said, not defending Cassel or how bad he sucks, but he was getting no help from his WRs, especially Dez.
 
I don't understand some people who constantly badmouth players without ever actually seeing them play. This Moore kid may not be an NFL QB but how do we know without seeing him in a game? He had 50 wins to 3 loses in college and is said to be very accurate with his throws. I would rather have an accurate QB that consistently completes 20-25 yard passes than a rocket armed QB that can't hit the broad side of a barn. I've even read where Moore doesn't throw a tight spiral, implying that he can't be any good. Future HOF QB Payton Manning's passes are almost end over end like a field goal so I guess he's no good either.

We know Weeden didn't win, he's gone. Cassel is not winning and Romo is out so why not see what Moore can do? Are we afraid we might loose a game? Really?
 
superonyx said:
If Moore's arm is strong enough to deserve to be on the roster then it's strong enough to deserve to play.

I dont want to hear people talking about arm strength. It's the equivalent to talking about a RB's 40 yard dash...I am old enough and have watched enough football to realize that this isn't what determines success or failure. Especially at the QB position. I don't have a strong opinion on Moore. I just see a guy like Drew Brees who is similar in size and looks similar in arm and I would rather see what Moore has than see what Cassel has again.

Yes the unknown is better than the known if the known is known to be garbage.
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Well....I'll just say this. The kid has the "it" factor. He just wins. And that's what the Cowboys need right now....is Ws;)
 
If the Cowboys thought Moore was the answer we would have already seen him because the backups they've used clearly aren't the answer.
 
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