Polamalu vs. Woodson

[Future]

If it was a sin to be a FAN 80% of this board would be headed you know where. lol You and a few others act like it's a sin to be objective. None of you have a shred of evidence to support Woodson being on par or better than Polamalu. There's not one all-time safety ranking that has Darren Woodson ranked ahead or even close to Polamalu. Woodson wasn't apart of an all decade team, never won a defensive player of the year award and isn't even in his own teams hall of fame. You don't have any credible source that you can provide a quote from who claims Darren Woodson was on par or better than Polamalu. All you have to support your option are other biased Cowboy FANS.

This has to be the most terrible logic ever.

For the first time in the decade I've come to this site, I'm done arguing lol

 

[KJJ]

It only "opened up" because Romo opened it up with his scrambling ability. Bledsoe had no time to get the ball down the field and could not extend the play. Romo could extend the play and get the ball down the field like Parcells intended all along. I am sure Parcells would have preferred it be done from the pocket but he, just like the rest of us, saw that that just wasn't going to happen.

The same line that couldn't give Bledsoe the time get the ball down the field also could not consistently open up the running game. It took Barber, who didn't need no stinking line, to get consistent yards in the running game.

If only Jerry had started drafting lineman back then.....

Romo's mobility was one of the main reasons a change was made. Bledsoe had been sacked 16 times in the first 6 games including 4 times in the first half vs the Giants.

 

[KJJ]

This has to be the most terrible logic ever.

For the first time in the decade I've come to this site, I'm done arguing lol

Anything rational is viewed as terrible logic by FANS if it doesn't support their biased views. Provide some evidence to support all the claims by FANS that Darren Woodson is on par or better than Polamalu. Good luck!

 

[Future]

Anything rational is viewed as terrible logic by FANS if it doesn't support their biased views. Provide some evidence to support all the claims by FANS that Darren Woodson is on par or better than Polamalu. Good luck!

The ENTIRE thread is full of them.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Harper wasn't slow but he wasn't a 4.3 guy it was his leaping ability that led to most of his big plays. Had he been a speedster he would have taken that slant vs SF in the 92 title game the distance. I'm aware Jimmy was about speed but he was also about having playmakers. Several of the "speed" players Jimmy drafted didn't workout most notably Alexander Wright. Jimmy didn't think Emmitt would turn out to be the player he did no one did which is why Blair Thomas was drafted ahead of him. Even Jimmy had Blair Thomas rated ahead of Emmitt.

Harper was also 6'3" 210-215 lbs. There aren't many 4.3 guys with that size. Still in all, he was not slow. There is a video floating around here somewhere on the Cowboys 93 season. In it, there is a TD pass from Aikman to Harper against the Skinz. It's an over the shoulder catch, not one of Harper's many leaping catches. The DB covering him was Darrell Green. He beat Green on the streak. He was plenty fast.

You are correct that many of Jimmy's speed picks didn't work but he still valued speed. Even Blair Thomas was a 4.4 guy.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Bledsoe still had the arm but not the decision making which is why a change was made. Parcells recognized before Romo ever took his first regular season snap that he was a playmaker which is why he held onto him never exposing him on the practice squad. The Cowboys needed a spark in 06 and Romo provided it.

I think it was actually his inability to move at all. I mean, he was never a very mobile guy but at the end there, teams were just rushing to a fixed point and because we weren't very good on the OL, it was easy for teams to force him into shorter throws. Long developing routes just weren't an option for us. When Tony came in, he was mobile and he could extend plays and that's why I think the offense opened up more. JMO.

 

[KJJ]

If Darren Woodson had been a Steeler then he would be a Hall of Famer by now. No question.

If that's true how come Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin and Larry Allen are all in the HOF? Irvin was an adulterer who was arrested for drug possession and walked into a courtroom wearing a fur coat looking like a pimp. He was the most hated Cowboys player of the 90's and he got in the HOF on the second ballot. Woodson was a well liked player how does he not get in the HOF if he was deserving but Irvin does? If Woodson was a HOF caliber player how come he's not in his own teams HOF? Have fun explaining that! The HOF committee has nothing to do with the Cowboys ROH Jerry is in control of that so how come after 12 years of retirement Woodson still hasn't been added to the Cowboys ROH? If a player wasn't good enough for their own teams HOF they aren'y going to be good enough for the Pro Football Hall of Fame...FACT!

 

[KJJ]

The ENTIRE thread is full of them.

What do you consider rational the post by one FAN claiming Polamalu wasn't even that good? Or the one FAN who keeps claiming Woodson was a a lot better than Polamalu? Can you provide something credible to back up their comments? Didn't think so!

 

[Future]

What do you consider rational the post by one FAN claiming Polamalu wasn't even that good? Or the one FAN who keeps claiming Woodson was a a lot better than Polamalu? Can you provide something credible to back up their comments? Didn't think so!

You've completely ignored the system arguments and the fact that Woodson could cover slot WRs, which Polamalu, on his best day, never could.

I won't bring them up again.

 

[KJJ]

Harper was also 6'3" 210-215 lbs. There aren't many 4.3 guys with that size. Still in all, he was not slow. There is a video floating around here somewhere on the Cowboys 93 season. In it, there is a TD pass from Aikman to Harper against the Skinz. It's an over the shoulder catch, not one of Harper's many leaping catches. The DB covering him was Darrell Green. He beat Green on the streak. He was plenty fast.

You are correct that many of Jimmy's speed picks didn't work but he still valued speed. Even Blair Thomas was a 4.4 guy.

Harper wasn't slow but he didn't play very fast. He certainly didn't look very fast on that slant from Aikman vs SF. Any receiver with "speed" would have taken that the distance. He was a very good player who had excellent leaping ability. He never beat a lot of coverage only on occasion which is why he had to make a lot of leaping receptions.

 

[KJJ]

You've completely ignored the system arguments and the fact that Woodson could cover slot WRs, which Polamalu, on his best day, never could.

I won't bring them up again.

There's a a lot of safeties who cover slot receivers better than Polamalu just like there were a lot of corners who could tackle a lot better than Deion but did that make them better players? Woodson's ability to cover slot receivers better than Polamalu didn't make him a better player than Polamalu. There's fighters that punched harder and had more knockouts than Ali big deal! Every safety has something they do better than another but players are judged by how many plays they made and their accomplishments. Polamalu had more tackles, FF's and int's than Woodson.

He accomplished night and day more than Woodson accomplished which is why he's receiving the accolades he is and is being ranked by every knowledgeable football expert as one of the greatest safeties to ever play the game and a first ballot lock for the HOF. Most have Polamalu in the top 5-7 greatest safeties to ever play the position. Some of you need to accept it instead of sitting around looking for ways to make yourselves look foolish by tearing down the game of one of the greatest players ever at their position.

Some of you should be embarrassed by some of the ridiculous comments that have been posted. It's like some here are on a mission to lose as much credibility as possible. Even Woody would chuckle at some of the comments being made. He would be flattered but he knows how delusional diehard Cowboy FANS are. lol

 

[Plankton]

There's a a lot of safeties who cover slot receivers better than Polamalu just like there were a lot of corners who could tackle a lot better than Deion but did that make them better players? Woodson's ability to cover slot receivers better than Polamalu didn't make him a better player than Polamalu. There's fighters that punched harder and had more knockouts than Ali big deal! Every safety has something they do better than another but players are judged by how many plays they made and their accomplishments. Polamalu had more tackles, FF's and int's than Woodson.

He accomplished night and day more than Woodson accomplished which is why he's receiving the accolades he is and is being ranked by every knowledgeable football expert as one of the greatest safeties to ever play the game and a first ballot lock for the HOF. Most have Polamalu in the top 5-7 greatest safeties to ever play the position. Some of you need to accept it instead of sitting around looking for ways to make yourselves look foolish by tearing down the game of one of the greatest players ever at their position.

Some of you should be embarrassed by some of the ridiculous comments that have been posted. It's like some here are on a mission to lose as much credibility as possible. Even Woody would chuckle at some of the comments being made. He would be flattered but he knows how delusional diehard Cowboy FANS are. lol

Polamalu is not a first ballot lock for the Hall of Fame. There's been one pure safety elected to the HOF in the last 20+ years - Paul Krause. Guys like Ronnie Lott, Rod Woodson, Mel Renfro and Aeneas Williams made the Hall based on their play at corner as much as at safety. There's only six pure safeties in the HOF, so to say that Polamalu is a lock first ballot guy is not following the history of the enshrinement process.

With guys like Brian Dawkins and Ed Reed coming down the pike, the valuing of safeties could change, but Polamalu stands a very good chance of waiting a few tries before getting in.

 

[KJJ]

Polamalu is not a first ballot lock for the Hall of Fame. There's been one pure safety elected to the HOF in the last 20+ years - Paul Krause. Guys like Ronnie Lott, Rod Woodson, Mel Renfro and Aeneas Williams made the Hall based on their play at corner as much as at safety. There's only six pure safeties in the HOF, so to say that Polamalu is a lock first ballot guy is not following the history of the enshrinement process.

With guys like Brian Dawkins and Ed Reed coming down the pike, the valuing of safeties could change, but Polamalu stands a very good chance of waiting a few tries before getting in.

Polamalu is a first ballot HOF lock along with Ed Reed.

 

[Plankton]

Polamalu is a first ballot HOF lock along with Ed Reed.

Obviously you paid attention to the post, and the history of how the Hall elects safeties.

 

[KJJ]

Obviously you paid attention to the post, and the history of how the Hall elects safeties.

Things don't always go according to history. The game has changed over the years with many rule changes that handcuffed defensive players. These changes will likely have some affect on the way players are elected in the future. You can't stick with the same process year after year with the game changing the way it is.

 

[Plankton]

Things don't always go according to history. The game has changed over the years with many rule changes that handcuffed defensive players. These changes will likely have some affect on the way players are elected in the future. You can't stick with the same process year after year with the game changing the way it is.

Either way, based on how the safety position has been valued, or not valued, by the enshrinement committee, Polamalu is not a first ballot lock. It's possible that it could happen, but not a lock by any means.

 

[KJJ]

Either way, based on how the safety position has been valued, or not valued, by the enshrinement committee, Polamalu is not a first ballot lock. It's possible that it could happen, but not a lock by any means.

In your opinion he's not a lock in my opinion he is we're done!

 

[casmith07]

I'm sending this thread to Woody on Facebook.

 

[Idgit]

I normally stay out of these player comparison threads because there are usually too many variables to isolate to make a reasonable case one way or another. I will say that, for my money, Polamalu was a better player for the Stealers than Woodson was in Dallas, but not enough so that the comparison isn't debatable.

The Dawkins/Woodson comparison is more interesting to me, as I think they were more comparable players of about equal contribution to their teams.
Ed Reed's better than all of them, and the only true HoF 'lock' in my mind in the discussion.

Also for my money, if a player's status as a 'lock' is actively disputed in a thread, it's probably a good indication that that guy's not really a lock after all given how laughably statistically not-relevant the HoF selection process happens to be.

 

[casmith07]

A lot of you guys must have either a) never watched Woodson play, b) only seen Polamalu ESPN highlights, or c) a combination of both.

Anybody saying Polamalu is better - I wish I had film of Woodson. It's not close. At all.