Potential FA RBs

[Future]

He had one bad year, but unlike Gavin Escobar, he has actually accomplished great things before.

Going into the 2014 season, the Broncos believed enough in Ball to send Knowshon Moreno packing and give him the starting job over the other backs they had - including their current projected starter CJ Anderson.

College stats mean absolutely nothing in terms of how a RB is going to do in the NFL. You don't even have to leave Wisconsin to find another great college back who was irrelevant in the NFL - Ron Dayne. Comparing Ball's college career to Esco's is pointless.

He had one bad year, but he's only played one year. Good point.

 

[Stash]

College stats mean absolutely nothing in terms of how a RB is going to do in the NFL. You don't even have to leave Wisconsin to find another great college back who was irrelevant in the NFL - Ron Dayne. Comparing Ball's college career to Esco's is pointless.

Yeah, because there is no comparison. One guy accomplished greatness and the other guy happened to play football.

He had one bad year, but he's only played one year. Good point.

Actually, he's played two years, but in your attempt to undermine his abilities, you want to try to ignore everything except his injury-plagued 2014 season.

Ball had an excuse for a disappointing 2014 season - injury. What's Escobar's excuse for a disappointing career?

 

[Future]

Yeah, because there is no comparison. One guy accomplished greatness and the other guy happened to play football.

Actually, he's played two years, but in your attempt to undermine his abilities, you want to try to ignore everything except his injury-plagued 2014 season.

Ball had an excuse for a disappointing 2014 season - injury. What's Escobar's excuse for a disappointing career?

One guy played at Wisconsin as a feature back getting 30 touches a game and the other was a TE at San Diego St. where he was quite productive for the position he played.

No, he played one year. He was crappy. I was ignoring the year he was injured in that comment, but he was crappy the year he was hurt too. In the first year, he had games where he had 0, 1, 3, 3 and 4 carries. He had 0 carries in one of the games last year.

Esco hasn't been disappointing he just doesn't get touches. He's been fine with the opportunities. What's your excuse for Ball getting 5 or fewer carries in a third of the games he's been active in his career?

 

[Stash]

One guy played at Wisconsin as a feature back getting 30 touches a game and the other was a TE at San Diego St. where he was quite productive for the position he played.

No, he played one year. He was crappy. I was ignoring the year he was injured in that comment, but he was crappy the year he was hurt too. In the first year, he had games where he had 0, 1, 3, 3 and 4 carries. He had 0 carries in one of the games last year.

Again, he averaged 5.8 yards per carry over his last 6 games of 2013. The furthest thing from "crappy". He improved in every part of his game and took the lead spot over one of the strongest stables of backs in the league.

Esco hasn't been disappointing he just doesn't get touches. He's been fine with the opportunities.

And that's disappointing just based on the 2nd round pick they used on a niche player. A pick they could have used on either Ball or a RB named Bell...

What's your excuse for Ball getting 5 or fewer carries in a third of the games he's been active in his career?[/quote]

 

[Silver N Blue]

Why? The guy isn't really any good.

I guess everyone has their opinion. Just take Escobar for example; I get what your saying about him bu the isn't going to be meaningful until Witten retires which probably wont be for another 2 years after this season. If you can get some quality depth (which for me is OL not TE) at RB you have to make the move this team is to close and DMAC and Dunbar are not quality depth. IMO.

 

[Stash]

Arian Foster suffered a significant groin injury and may miss half the season. That may add another team in the Texans suddenly look for vet RB help. Some advocated patience with regard to McFadden's ongoing hamstring issues, but the NFL doesn't operate in a vacuum. There are 31 other teams who have needs and can suffer injuries.

 

[Nightman]

One guy played at Wisconsin as a feature back getting 30 touches a game and the other was a TE at San Diego St. where he was quite productive for the position he played.

No, he played one year. He was crappy. I was ignoring the year he was injured in that comment, but he was crappy the year he was hurt too. In the first year, he had games where he had 0, 1, 3, 3 and 4 carries. He had 0 carries in one of the games last year.

Esco hasn't been disappointing he just doesn't get touches. He's been fine with the opportunities. What's your excuse for Ball getting 5 or fewer carries in a third of the games he's been active in his career?

MBall would challenge Randle and make McFadden expendable.

 

[Silver N Blue]

The Newark Star-Ledger doesn’t expect the Jets to keep Zac Stacy.
With Stevan Ridley sidelined, Stacy is running behind Chris Ivory at training camp. Reporter Darryl Slater expects the Jets to carry only three running backs. Stacy needs Ridley to open the season on reserve/PUP to avoid getting cut

 

[big dog cowboy]

What's Escobar's excuse for a disappointing career?

When has he had a chance to produce? He is so far down the food chain you know he won't ever put up anything more than minimal numbers. Most who think he has had a disappointing career had their expectations of him set far to high in the beginning.

 

[Stash]

When has he had a chance to produce? He is so far down the food chain you know he won't ever put up anything more than minimal numbers. Most who think he has had a disappointing career had their expectations of him set far to high in the beginning.

His expectations were set high when the team used a 2nd round draft pick on him. That's their fault, not mine. This isn't the first, nor the second, but the third time they've wasted a 2nd round pick on a player they will never get the return on investment from.

And if Escobar was that good, this team would be finding ways and designing plays for his role to increase. He just isn't.

 

[Silver N Blue]

So just to "refresh" this list of reported "potential" RB cuts....

Monte Ball, Ronnie Hillman, Zach Stacy, Terrance West

FA RBs already available with no Current ties to the cowboys organization:

Cyrus Gray, CJ2K, Ben Tate, Pierre Thomas

I'm sure I missed someone just wanted to refresh the list...

 

[big dog cowboy]

His expectations were set high when the team used a 2nd round draft pick on him. That's their fault, not mine. This isn't the first, nor the second, but the third time they've wasted a 2nd round pick on a player they will never get the return on investment from.

And if Escobar was that good, this team would be finding ways and designing plays for his role to increase. He just isn't.

I agree being drafted that high can set expectations high for some fans. But the team did it to cover themselves in case of injury to JWit. If fans would have had the insurance mentality instead of production mentality it would be different. Just like the others you mentioned I can understand why some fans think it was a wasted pick. I do agree however that is too high of a pick to draft for insurance reasons. Not real sure how we can design plays any different to get him more involved. You going to take away targets to Dez? JWit? RB1? The Bease? TWill? When we are run first offense there are only so many to go around. I did find the debate about trading him for a RB interesting. But if we are going to do that, he wouldn't be near enough bait to get a true bell cow so many feel we need.

 

[Stash]

I agree being drafted that high can set expectations high for some fans. But the team did it to cover themselves in case of injury to JWit. If fans would have had the insurance mentality instead of production mentality it would be different. Just like the others you mentioned I can understand why some fans think it was a wasted pick. I do agree however that is too high of a pick to draft for insurance reasons.

OK, that's what I was going to get to. Even if it were 'insurance', it's too high of a price to pay for that.

Not real sure how we can design plays any different to get him more involved. You going to take away targets to Dez? JWit? RB1? The Bease? TWill? When we are run first offense there are only so many to go around.

When the Patriots had Gronk and Hernandez, they found a way. They did what this team hasn't been able to do since Parcells first tried it - they ran the two TE offense and just killed teams with it. It was a matchup nightmare! If Escobar was that good, we could and would be doing the same, but he's not.

In fact, all reports indicate he's been a big bag of 'meh'.

I did find the debate about trading him for a RB interesting. But if we are going to do that, he wouldn't be near enough bait to get a true bell cow so many feel we need.

No, especially given the mediocre reports on how he's been doing. At this point, I'm thinking any debate about him is moot because I don't think he has any trade value around the league anyway.

As for acquiring a potential running back? I think it's giving up a draft pick or bust at this point

 

[CATCH17]

The Newark Star-Ledger doesn’t expect the Jets to keep Zac Stacy.
With Stevan Ridley sidelined, Stacy is running behind Chris Ivory at training camp. Reporter Darryl Slater expects the Jets to carry only three running backs. Stacy needs Ridley to open the season on reserve/PUP to avoid getting cut

Why are teams always trying to replace Stacy? Seems like a good rb to me.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Why are teams always trying to replace Stacy? Seems like a good rb to me.

Not sure and several on this board would have given the Rams a 7th for him as well. If the Rams/Jets both can't find a home for him might be pretty telling. I think he has similar attributes to Gus Johnson.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Bryce Brown appears to have fallen behind fifth-round rookie Karlos Williams on the Bills' tailback depth chart.

Brown has continued to fumble away his opportunities -- literally -- on the practice field, while Williams will be a core special teamer for Buffalo. As will be Anthony Dixon. All of them are behind LeSean McCoy and Fred Jackson. Coach Rex Ryan recently called Brown "disappointing, to put it mildly." Brown should be hitting waivers sometime before September begins.


Source: WKBW Buffalo
Aug 10 - 3:43 PM

 

[DFWJC]

Here are some teams who have battles for that 3rd spot who will probably release a decent backup.
Chicago
Arizona
Seattle
Kansas City
NY jets
Buffalo
Jacksonville
Minnesota
Tampa Bay
New Orleans
St Louis
Cleveland
Denver
San Diego

That's 14 RBs that could include guys like Kadeem Carey, Christine Michael, Zac Stacy, Brice Brown, Stephan Taylor, Bernard Pierce, Cyrus Gray, and many more.

That does not include all the FAs already available like C Johnson, S Jackson, R Rice, etc.

That does not include and of those not going to be released but could be had for a very late draft pick.

There's just no need to freak out right now.

 

[big dog cowboy]

There's just no need to freak out right now.

Interesting you say that after going thru 6 months of exactly that.

 

[DFWJC]

Interesting you say that after going thru 6 months of exactly that.

No need six months ago and still no need now. Not sure what's so interesting about that.

 

[big dog cowboy]

No need six months ago and still no need now. Not sure what's so interesting about that.

It's just interesting that so many of our membership has been pushing the panic button all these months. You said no need to freak out right now which I agree with but some others.........