Prepare for Impact! (Who gets some?)

[T-RO]

Hockey goalie if we are talking contribution to actual win/loss.. but QB would be second.

-Hockey has 1 goalie and 5 other players, right? And goalie is *always* on the ice.

-NFL football has 1 QB and about 25 others (off/def/ST). QB is only on the field about 45% of the time. QB is most important player, sure...but total impact is less than 20%.

 

[Blackrain]

I like how people keep saying that and Roger Staubach and Troy and had far more interceptions and mistakes made in the playoffs then Romo or Prescott you should go back and check because I know it's hard for memory to remember the interceptions but they were just reshowing a first half interception by Troy Aikman in the second Super Bowl with the Buffalo Bills they were down by 7 at the half I'd say that that's Troy aikman's fault and what did they do the defense overcame it in the third quarter and then they drove down with an 80% run offense that then take the lead had nothing to do with Troy Troy was dinking and dunking the ball the whole entire game,

I put up the stats before Roger Staubach and Troy aikman's touchdown interception ratio in the regular season didn't change much in the playoffs they were who they were their teams were good enough to overcome it but to say that Romo had more critical turnovers is being blind to the facts yes the teams were better for Troy and Roger and they did overcome anything that happened at other positions including quarterback. Tony Romo and Prescott have a better touchdown interception ratio both in the regular season and the playoffs they did not have that kind of team or coaching to overcome the mistakes made by anyone else on the team..

So yeah you are correct just like Matthew Stafford had 20 turnovers we see Josh Allen who leads the league since he's been a rookie in total turnovers as a quarterback it's all around the league Peyton Manning I mean I guess his teams had to be really good because he had twice as many interceptions as Prescott and way more than Romo and here we are just talking about romo's critical turnovers come on dude wake up don't be blind..

We know the Hall of Fame induction committee won't be blind to all of Romos attributes his great touchdown to interception ratio in the playoffs can't wait to see him in his gold jacket.
All I'm waiting for now is to see who is presenter is going to be.
It's obvious he's a lock to get in with his incredible stats.

 

[Blackrain]

Quarterback 22%
Left tackle 4%
Center 2%
Rest of the o-line 3%
Receivers 12%
Running back 7%

Defensive ends 14%
Defensive tackles 8%
Linebackers 8%
Secondary 12%
Special teams 8%

Granted certain teams have star players at certain positions that create a tremendous impact on the game because of their generational talent.

Those circumstances can alter these percentages tremendously.

 

[Adreme]

What impact percentage would you suggest for tight ends?

I might take 3% off of WR and 1% off of RBs and put TE at 6%.

 

[Blackrain]

I like how people keep saying that and Roger Staubach and Troy and had far more interceptions and mistakes made in the playoffs then Romo or Prescott you should go back and check because I know it's hard for memory to remember the interceptions but they were just reshowing a first half interception by Troy Aikman in the second Super Bowl with the Buffalo Bills they were down by 7 at the half I'd say that that's Troy aikman's fault and what did they do the defense overcame it in the third quarter and then they drove down with an 80% run offense that then take the lead had nothing to do with Troy Troy was dinking and dunking the ball the whole entire game,

I put up the stats before Roger Staubach and Troy aikman's touchdown interception ratio in the regular season didn't change much in the playoffs they were who they were their teams were good enough to overcome it but to say that Romo had more critical turnovers is being blind to the facts yes the teams were better for Troy and Roger and they did overcome anything that happened at other positions including quarterback. Tony Romo and Prescott have a better touchdown interception ratio both in the regular season and the playoffs they did not have that kind of team or coaching to overcome the mistakes made by anyone else on the team..

So yeah you are correct just like Matthew Stafford had 20 turnovers we see Josh Allen who leads the league since he's been a rookie in total turnovers as a quarterback it's all around the league Peyton Manning I mean I guess his teams had to be really good because he had twice as many interceptions as Prescott and way more than Romo and here we are just talking about romo's critical turnovers come on dude wake up don't be blind..

Romo sample size was small he played in like six playoff games in Rogers first six playoff games he didn't even throw an interception but he played in three times as many playoff games as Romo.

See you have to actually win in Win or go home games to get to the playoffs. 8 and 8 doesn't get you there.

Throwing interceptions to Rob Jackson in your end of the field doesn't get you there either.

Lol

Who are the top 10 playoff quarterbacks is Romo rated ahead of Tom Brady or Joe Montana or is he just right behind them.

We already know he's much better than Roger or Troy.
What a hoot got to love the Romo defenders

 

[john van brocklin]

This second graph builds upon the first and expands details about offense.

These are my estimations, though I could see prioritizing it differently. Am I shafting the trenches? Running Back? QB?

QB has more impact than your graph shows....
IMHO

 

[GMO415]

Parsons still needs to become a better defensive leader.

He just needs to leave DAL with a ring, and not leave here and give someone a ring.

 

[T-RO]

Quarterback 22%
Left tackle 4%
Center 2%
Rest of the o-line 3%
Receivers 12%
Running back 7%

Defensive ends 14%
Defensive tackles 8%
Linebackers 8%
Secondary 12%
Special teams 8%

Granted certain teams have star players at certain positions that create a tremendous impact on the game because of their generational talent.

Those circumstances can alter these percentages tremendously.

I give you big credit for making a complete list that includes all the players and adds up to 100%. Sincerely! Many just want to insist on a number for one position, without considering the consequences of the entire roster.

Now some thoughts:
-You give the defensive trenches 22% importance, but the offensive trenches only 9%. It seems you are desperate to work the QB importance as high as possible. I don't believe an offense can succeed w/out the big uglies up front.

-I agree that this kind of thing requires elasticity depending on team and personnel. If you have Aaron Donald, e.g. maybe you can get by with sub-par linebackers.

 

[T-RO]

I might take 3% off of WR and 1% off of RBs and put TE at 6%.

OK. I appreciate you participating. We all aren't going to agree and it makes for interesting discussion.

Maybe for a team like KC...you aren't far off.

 

[T-RO]

We know the Hall of Fame induction committee won't be blind to all of Romos attributes his great touchdown to interception ratio in the playoffs can't wait to see him in his gold jacket.
All I'm waiting for now is to see who is presenter is going to be.
It's obvious he's a lock to get in with his incredible stats.

Mods chose to lock the Romo thread. I don't understand why, and I had lots more fresh unexplored content I planned to cover. I'm a bit miffed and the wind is out of my sails to discuss it further, in threads where it's not relevant. So I guess you win by default.

Just like Tony's career: we'll never know and can only speculate what might have been.

 

[Blackrain]

QB has more impact than your graph shows....
IMHO

I already told him that in the other thread.
I told him that he had undervalued the quarterback position and that nobody agreed with him.
Everybody I've seen so far has disagreed and thought the quarterback had more impact.

But hey he went to all that trouble to make a pie chart.
Next there will be a pie chart of how Romo had more success in the playoffs statistically then aikman or Staubach.

 

[T-RO]

Everybody I've seen so far has disagreed and thought the quarterback had more impact.

Truth is not a popularity contest. And no, by no means has "everybody" here agreed on anything.

A more objective way to evaluate is:
1. Quarterbacks salary as proportion of team salary. (As Scottishcowboy mentioned)
2. Analytics stats like WAR, or Win Shares (As FuzzyLumpkins) suggested

 

[Blackrain]

Mods chose to lock the Romo thread. I don't understand why, and I had lots more fresh unexplored content I planned to cover. I'm a bit miffed and the wind is out of my sails to discuss it further, in threads where it's not relevant. So I guess you win by default.

Just like Tony's career: we'll never know and can only speculate what might have been.

Yeah not sure why they did that if you're delusional enough to believe Romo is better than Staubach or aikman you're entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it may be.

 

[Blackrain]

Mods chose to lock the Romo thread. I don't understand why, and I had lots more fresh unexplored content I planned to cover. I'm a bit miffed and the wind is out of my sails to discuss it further, in threads where it's not relevant. So I guess you win by default.

Just like Tony's career: we'll never know and can only speculate what might have been.

Yes we can only speculate he had a great team to lead that year that Dak took over.

Of all the frustrating bonehead moves he made in his career that I had to try and defend running in a meaningless preseason game after back surgery had to top the list of stupid indefensible things I had seen him do

 

[Blackrain]

Truth is not a popularity contest. And no, by no means has "everybody" here agreed on anything.

A more objective way to evaluate is:
1. Quarterbacks salary as proportion of team salary. (As Scottishcowboy mentioned)
2. Analytics stats like WAR, or Win Shares (As FuzzyLumpkins) suggested

And the truth is the quarterback has a tremendous impact on today's game and is paid and protected by the rules to do so no matter how unpopular it is in your opinion

 

[Blackrain]

I give you big credit for making a complete list that includes all the players and adds up to 100%. Sincerely! Many just want to insist on a number for one position, without considering the consequences of the entire roster.

Now some thoughts:
-You give the defensive trenches 22% importance, but the offensive trenches only 9%. It seems you are desperate to work the QB importance as high as possible. I don't believe an offense can succeed w/out the big uglies up front.

-I agree that this kind of thing requires elasticity depending on team and personnel. If you have Aaron Donald, e.g. maybe you can get by with sub-par linebackers.

Yeah I put the tight end in with the receivers but on some teams he is predominantly a blocker so he would count some percent for the offensive line.

Tight end is one of those positions that can wear many hats and cover a multitude of sins.

Seems like we have three pretty good ones I would think that would help us down at the red zone where you may need to run the ball or body up on smaller defensive backs
Guess it really depends on the play that's called whether they're going to be asked to be a receiver or an offensive lineman

 

[T-RO]

This is how NFL dollars in 2020 prioritized things

 

[CCBoy]

I give you big credit for making a complete list that includes all the players and adds up to 100%. Sincerely! Many just want to insist on a number for one position, without considering the consequences of the entire roster.

Now some thoughts:
-You give the defensive trenches 22% importance, but the offensive trenches only 9%. It seems you are desperate to work the QB importance as high as possible. I don't believe an offense can succeed w/out the big uglies up front.

-I agree that this kind of thing requires elasticity depending on team and personnel. If you have Aaron Donald, e.g. maybe you can get by with sub-par linebackers.

One has to be very good at drafting as that gives built in flex for managing cap and team developing also. Four years on a 'rookie' contract saves the day for all teams. One resign and a team is 7 years down the road and cap building as well.

 

[CCBoy]

Mods chose to lock the Romo thread. I don't understand why, and I had lots more fresh unexplored content I planned to cover. I'm a bit miffed and the wind is out of my sails to discuss it further, in threads where it's not relevant. So I guess you win by default.

Just like Tony's career: we'll never know and can only speculate what might have been.

You are a true asset because you explore and explain the transitions of maintaining a team. That difficulty is the region that has affected poor Jerry's attempts at winning at the top. That is really difficult and demands team unity along with health to support the roster.

You are pointing directly at what ends up restrictions of the Cowboys and how potential through roster spots are going.

Cap is a good indicator of effectiveness.

Another indicator we haven't see any of this off season is time in games of the team. This shows experienced gained and also a window on who has stronger influence on their being retained.

Without doubt, thank you, my man!

 

[Blackrain]

You are a true asset because you explore and explain the transitions of maintaining a team. That difficulty is the region that has affected poor Jerry's attempts at winning at the top. That is really difficult and demands team unity along with health to support the roster.

You are pointing directly at what ends up restrictions of the Cowboys and how potential through roster spots are going.

Cap is a good indicator of effectiveness.

Another indicator we haven't see any of this off season is time in games of the team. This shows experienced gained and also a window on who has stronger influence on their being retained.

Without doubt, thank you, my man!

I certainly don't agree with this guy on everything.

But I do appreciate the time and research he puts in to try and prove his opinions.
Even though I do bust his stones we need a little something to a camp starts.