Prescott's 15+ yard targets when tied or trailing

punchnjudy

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An obvious limitation is these numbers treat a qb who's down 3 in the first the same as someone down 14 in the 4th, but the level of desperation wouldn't even be close.
 

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Cute? If you can't make big plays you won't win consistently. You can't overcome 3rd and 18 after a penalty. And throwing the ball deep is necessary to stretch defenses vertically so they can't suffocate the line of scrimmage.

Throwing the ball deep rocks.

Now...if you can *also* work the field methodically then you have a devastating attack. With Dak and our weapons can do a bit of both. If we had a better deep threat we could be other-worldly. (You and I agree on a certain WR from Washington.)

The Giants were successful because they were able to get the Cowboys offense off schedule in terms of down and distance. Dak tends to avoid throws into coverage over the middle of the field.
 

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Sadly, Plymkr, Ryan had a historically great season. He's a shoe-in for MVP*

*If the voters get it right, and avoid another legacy award for The Golden Boy (Aaron Rodgers)
I can stomach it if Ryan gets it. After reading what you posted I looked at his stats and highlights and yeah I can see it. But if they give it to Aaron Rogers I would be upset. That would show such a bias.
 

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PFR calls anything 15+ yards a "deep throw," and unfortunately they're the only ones who let you combine splits like "target distance" with "scoring margin." It will be interesting to see if they correct their mistake on the missed INT.

I'm pretty sure that PFR just uses the NFL's play-by-play description ("D.Prescott pass deep left to D.Bryant pushed ob at PHI 24 for 23 yards"). I'm not even sure that 15 yards is a hard-and-fast rule, but I could check.

Also, they didn't miss an INT. Both of Dak's interceptions against the Giants came when we had the lead. His only interception all season when we tied or trailed was the goal-line interception against the Eagles, which was a short pass.
 

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An obvious limitation is these numbers treat a qb who's down 3 in the first the same as someone down 14 in the 4th, but the level of desperation wouldn't even be close.
Right, and that's a limitation that can only be overcome by using two sets of parameters for the same split, which PFR doesn't let you do.

Dak leads the league on 15+ yard targets when tied or trailing in the 1st-3rd quarters.

Roethlisberger probably suffers from having the most of these throws while down 14+ in the 4th, but even filtering those out, his rating only goes up to 117.9 in the list from the OP. Rodgers' would only go up to 105.9. Most of the QB on the list from the OP are too good in the first 3 quarters to have a meaningful number of attempts down big in the 4th.
 

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I'm pretty sure that PFR just uses the NFL's play-by-play description ("D.Prescott pass deep left to D.Bryant pushed ob at PHI 24 for 23 yards"). I'm not even sure that 15 yards is a hard-and-fast rule, but I could check.
That would be cool if you did. But I think PFR's numbers are correct.

They fit very well with those of whoever does these charts for Sturm, which pinpoint the catch location.

 

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That would be cool if you did. But I think PFR's numbers are correct.

Based on the first three games I've checked (two home, one away), it looks like the NFL uses "deep" for passes thrown more than 15 yards downfield. Every pass credited as *exactly* 15 yards downfield was described as "short."
 

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Dak seems to be excellent throwing a deep ball but he doesn't do it that frequently because he evidently places a higher priority on ball protection. I'm looking forward to watching him in the playoffs.
Ryan had only 5 more attempts then Dak, does Ryan not throw down the field?
 

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And how is he not being considered an MVP candidate but Matt Ryan and Tom Brady is? Makes me mad. But anyway, deal with it NFL, he's a Cowboy.
Dak is efficient but he doesn't have the dreamy TD and yardage numbers that the mediots fall in love with so he won't be considered. A shame, really.
 

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Yeah, but what about his red zone passer rating? We won't be able to win any games unless he's at least 15 points above average there.

Right, @FuzzyLumpkins?
 

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An unbiased person, with no agenda would look at the overwhelming amount of evidence that tells us how amazing Dak's season has been and conclude that maybe he's just really, really good.

The statistics are dumbfounding, especially considering he's a rookie, bottom of 4th, comp pick QB.

The fact that he is a rookie is what's most important here. He's running a conventional NFL passing offense without any gimmickery, so the obvious deduction is that he will only improve with experience. That's so exciting as Cowboy fans and probably scary to the rest of the league.
 

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Yeah, but what about his red zone passer rating? We won't be able to win any games unless he's at least 15 points above average there.

Right, @FuzzyLumpkins?
Prescott had a 105.5 passer rating in the red zone this year. Headed into the 2014 playoffs, Romo had a 99.1 rating in the red zone.

On 15+ (or >15) yard targets, Dak's 140.2 passer rating inside the opponent's 30-yard line led the league by more than 20 rating points.
 

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Prescott had a 105.5 passer rating in the red zone this year. Headed into the 2014 playoffs, Romo had a 99.1 rating in the red zone.

On 15+ (or >15) yard targets, Dak's 140.2 passer rating inside the opponent's 30-yard line led the league by more than 20 rating points.

Yeah, I'm not worried about his red zone passer rating at all. He's been great in the red zone.

Our friend fuzzy was insistent Prescott was mediocre in the red zone because the team's red zone passer rating as of like week 14 wasn't in the top 10. All other numbers be damned, that proved everything and Prescott was hindering our scoring by not being better.

So I just want him to eat crow on that stupidity.
 

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Do you have his stats against the Giants bc I couldn't care less how he did Against the browns, 49ers and bears
 

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What are Dak's stats when it is 3rd and 7 or longer? When Romo throw that 13 yard hitch to Williams for a first down on the Eagles it felt like we haven't seen that kind of throw this year.

Not sure if it's Dak or the play calling (or the play calling because of Dak), but it seems like negative plays
Ike penalties almost always kill drives.
 

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Boom.

Matt's rating may be a little lower, that INT hurt him there, but his numbers are just ridonkulous. 18.9 yards per attempt at a 60% completion rate. Geez man
This was the first thing that jumped out to me as well. Dak looks good and his hanging with the big boys though.
 
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