Prisco: Ranking the NFL Head Coaches

[AsthmaField]

The problem we're having here is a common one for me. I'm a truth teller in a room full of fanatic fans. I don't spin anything. Ever.

I'm not interested in feel good, rah rah, human interest nonsense. I'm talking about wins and losses. As of right now, Garrett's been mediocre, so he deserves a mediocre ranking. I'm sure if he can duplicate the one year he actually won more than he lost, his ranking will improve.

Which will mean something to you. This obsession for credit and recognition infests this board. I couldn't possibly care less where any of our coaches or players are ranked on anyone's list. I just want to win games.

God I admire you...

 

[Hoofbite]

Kelly gets a boost because of his system, IMO.

He brought a system most thought would bomb and he's had a great offense in spite of not having a franchise QB.

I'm not sure he's really all that far from where he should be. I think Coughlin is largely living on past accomplishments. #4 is probably a high for him.

 

[Hoofbite]

Consider:

Dallas was among the lead leaders in penalties and particularly pre snap penalties ever since Switzer was the head coach in the mid-90's. Even Parcells had trouble getting the teams attention about that. Garrett has done it. Without a losing season.

Garrett's teams have been more penalized than Parcells' teams were.

 

[Hoofbite]

Here are the guys ranked ahead of Garrett from 10-17:

10. Chuck Pagano

11. Bill O'Brien

12. Chip Kelly

13. John Fox

14. Ron Rivera

15. Jeff Fisher

16. Marvin Lewis

17. Rex Ryan

I'd drop John Fox and Rex Ryan. One guy had the best of situations and failed, the other never really had much and had mixed results. The way he handled the QB position is enough to say that he's not a very solid coach.

 

[Idgit]

God I admire you...

I actually lolled there. Lol.

 

[CATCH17]

He's better than Chip Kelly I know that.

Disagree..

The more that has got pulled from Garrett the better we have got..


If Garrett was in Phillies situation with the playcalling, average QBs, and overall average roster he would sink.

JG is a Mon-Saturday coach.

 

[Nation]

Garrett's style is one that needs more than one 10+ win season to be appreciated. He reminds me of Terry Francona with the Red Sox, who didn't appear to be the best in-game manager but was the perfect guy for steering a team through controversy and the media that came with being a big market team. I think there are similarities there with Garrett and that he is a great pick to be the coach for the Dallas Cowboys, even if that might not be the case for the Cleveland Browns. I believe in the guy and there aren't any coaches in the teens that I'd take over him. If argue loudly that he's a better coach than Fox, Pagano, and especially Fisher. But I do think you need to start racking up playoff wins on your resume before you can expect to crawl up national lists, even if that isn't the case for Chip Kelly.

 

[PoundTheRock]

Disagree..

The more that has got pulled from Garrett the better we have got..


If Garrett was in Phillies situation with the playcalling, average QBs, and overall average roster he would sink.

JG is a Mon-Saturday coach.

I think in the best case scenario he is the new Andy Reid. I've kinda thought this for a couple of years now and it's starting to ring true.

 

[Primetime42]

Considering Garrett was almost unanimously ranked last on these lists a year ago...

Meh, whatever.

 

[Hardline]

I know this is a forum to generate discussion on Cowboy related topics but other people's list and rankings mean doodly squat to me. I can count the sports writers I actually admire on three fingers.

 

[mldardy]

Disagree..

The more that has got pulled from Garrett the better we have got..


If Garrett was in Phillies situation with the playcalling, average QBs, and overall average roster he would sink.

JG is a Mon-Saturday coach.

Figures you would be the one coming up with some cockamamie scenarios. I don't really care about what's been pulled from Garrett. I just know that he has accomplished more than Kelly at this point and is the better coach. All that if, and woulda, coulda, shoulda stuff you are talking about I don't care. There is no way Kelly is 6 spots better as a coach.

 

[Risen Star]

God I admire you...

Form a line.

 

[Risen Star]

I'd drop John Fox and Rex Ryan. One guy had the best of situations and failed, the other never really had much and had mixed results. The way he handled the QB position is enough to say that he's not a very solid coach.

Ryan made back to back AFC Championship games with no QB.

Fox has taken two different franchises to the Super Bowl.

 

[CATCH17]

Figures you would be the one coming up with some cockamamie scenarios. I don't really care about what's been pulled from Garrett. I just know that he has accomplished more than Kelly at this point and is the better coach. All that if, and woulda, coulda, shoulda stuff you are talking about I don't care. There is no way Kelly is 6 spots better as a coach.

I've seen Garrett in these scenarios.. There is no woulda coulda should've. He can't do all the things Kelly can.

Dallas had a team that could impose their will on teams last year.

Whenever we actually had to use strategy to beat teams we were average.

It took almost 3/4ths of a season last year for those dopes to figure out they need to use the middle of the field with Witten and Beasley instead of running everyone off into coverage 25 yards down field.

 

[KJJ]

There is very little from his career that would suggest that Bradford > Foles. Yes I know, he didn't have the best team around him, but Bradford had Steven Jackson for several years, which never helped him any and his stats are just horrible even when he is healthy. He has had 1 decent year (not as good as Foles) and the rest have had sub 90 QB Ratings. He might prove to be good this year, but my money says stay far away from the Eagles, especially if Bradford gets hurt like he always does.

The Foles for Bradford trade could blowup in Kelly's face I certainly wouldn't have done it but there's the potential it could look brilliant in a couple of years if Bradford can stay healthy or is used as part of a deal to get Mariota. Of course Mariota would have to pan out if Philly tried moving up for him so a number of things would have to happen for the Foles/Bradford trade to work in Philly's favor. Most will tell you Bradford is a more talented QB than Nick Foles and if Kelly can win with Foles and keep Philly afloat with Mark Sanchez for half the 2014 season he can definitely win with a healthy Sam Bradford. It's been mostly injury issues that have held Bradford back but granted even when healthy he's been mediocre.

He has shown flashes in the 2 seasons he stayed healthy of being the QB he was billed to be coming out of college but he hasn't been consistent. Although he had Steven Jackson he missed a number of games due to injury and Bradford hasn't had many weapons at WR. Drew Brees wasn't looking very good in San Diego his first 3 seasons which led to the Chargers having the #1 overall pick in 04. They were looking to replace Brees by drafting Eli then trading him for Rivers. I'm sure the Chargers never imagined that Brees would turn into a HOF QB and a SB winner with the Saints of all teams.

Again I'm not saying Bradford will turn into Drew Brees in Philly but sometimes a change in scenery with a new head coach and a different system can do wonders for a player. Kelly claims he made the trade for Bradford to play him not trade him but we'll see. If Mariota were to suffer an Aaron Rodgers like fall on draft day that may open up an opportunity for Kelly to make a move and package Bradford. According to Kelly a team has already offered a #1 pick for Bradford. Jeff Fisher confirmed a team offered him a #1 for Bradford prior to trading him to Philly so there's teams that do have a strong interest in Bradford. Even if he remains in Philly and can stay healthy the Eagles lost their best receiving threat in Maclin so for Bradford to succeed they'll need to upgrade their receiving corp.

 

[Tabascocat]

Regardless of where people think that Garrett should be.......in no way should he be behind O'Brien or Chip. What have those guys done to be ranked ahead?

And I am not a huge Garrett fan.

 

[KJJ]

Yeah, that 1/2 season shouldn't count because Garrett didn't even have his starting QB, so other teams didn't game plan for him.

Gotcha.

It shouldn't count for much because a lot of teams play better when their head coach gets fired during the season especially when the owner puts everyone on notice.

 

[visionary]

The problem we're having here is a common one for me. I'm a truth teller in a room full of fanatic fans. I don't spin anything. Ever.

I'm not interested in feel good, rah rah, human interest nonsense. I'm talking about wins and losses. As of right now, Garrett's been mediocre, so he deserves a mediocre ranking. I'm sure if he can duplicate the one year he actually won more than he lost, his ranking will improve.

Which will mean something to you. This obsession for credit and recognition infests this board. I couldn't possibly care less where any of our coaches or players are ranked on anyone's list. I just want to win games.

This is crazy talk and you know it

Any discussion about Garrett is a religious one so by definition it has to begin with faith and belief and has to be devoid of facts

 

[KJJ]

Regardless of where people think that Garrett should be.......in no way should he be behind O'Brien or Chip. What have those guys done to be ranked ahead?

And I am not a huge Garrett fan.

I wouldn't rank O'Brien ahead of Garret but I can see how Kelly would be ranked ahead of him. As a rookie NFL HC in 2013 Kelly's Eagles beat Garrett's Cowboys in a season finale elimination game with the NFC East on the line and had the upper hand on the Cowboys through most of the 2014 season despite Kelly losing his starting QB and having to go with Mark Sanchez for half the season. Even with Sanchez the Eagles blew out the Cowboys on Thanksgiving and overcame a 21-0 deficit in their second meeting with Sanchez before losing that game.

Kelly was 6-2 with Foles last season and losing him played a big part in Philly missing the playoffs. Another thing you have to take into account with Kelly he had some respect entering the NFL being a successful college HC. It's going to take at least another good season for Garrett to gain respect and make everyone forget about those three 8-8 seasons and some of the glaring game management mistakes he made his first 3 years.

 

[SportsGuru80]

I laughed when I saw Chip Kelly at 12...