Prisco: Ranking the NFL Head Coaches

[wileedog]

Sure he did. He was 5-3 in his first season.

With his QB injured.

Is Sean Payton mediocre because he's put together a losing campaign with an even more experienced top-5 QB?

I guess so.

The last game of that first season was against the Eagles JV squad. They were resting for the playoffs. That 5-3 gets an asterisk.

Plus 5-3 is not a full season no matter how you want to spin it.

As for Payton, he has a ring. When Garrett gets one he can start getting passes on losing seasons.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The last game of that first season was against the Eagles JV squad. They were resting for the playoffs. That 5-3 gets an asterisk.

Plus 5-3 is not a full season no matter how you want to spin it.

As for Payton, he has a ring. When Garrett gets one he can start getting passes on losing seasons.

Since Romo was injured you can take away the asterisk and give another W.

OK, those 8 games don't count.

Gotcha.

 

[wileedog]

Since Romo was injured you can take away the asterisk and give another W.

So because we had our 2nd string QB in there it doesn't matter that they had their 3rd and 4th string everyone in there?

Yeah, no. And Kitna was no Weeden either.

OK, those 8 games don't count.

Gotcha.

Sure they count.

What they don't count for is a"winning season." A season is 16 games, not 8.

Unless in your world the team winning 21-17 at half time wins the game.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So because we had our 2nd string QB in there it doesn't matter that they had their 3rd and 4th string everyone in there?

Yeah, no.


Sure they count.

What they don't count for is a"winning season." A season is 16 games, not 8.

Unless in your world the team winning 21-17 at half time wins the game.

Romo didn't play in any of the games where Garrett was the coach in 2010... not just the final game.

No?

OK, so what is his 5-3 season?

I guess that's a losing record.


Gotcha.

 

[wileedog]

Romo didn't play in any of the games where Garrett was the coach in 2010... not just the final game.

No?

OK, so what is his 5-3 season?

I guess that's a losing record.


Gotcha.

It's a half season. Its not a season. You don't coach half the season and get credit for a winning record, because you didn't coach the whole season (although it should be noted he was busy being the OC while the team was completely tanking the first half the season).

And Kitna was as good as half the starting QBs in the league. The guy completed almost 66% of his passes that year for crying out loud. Cleveland hasn't had a guy who could do that on their team in this century.

 

[Seanleebaby]

Here are the guys ranked ahead of Garrett from 10-17:

10. Chuck Pagano

11. Bill O'Brien

12. Chip Kelly

13. John Fox

14. Ron Rivera

15. Jeff Fisher

16. Marvin Lewis

17. Rex Ryan

I'll give you credit here, Mike. I'd take Garrett over anyone from 13-17 as well as Chuck Pagano.

Also, one coach that I think is underrated on this list is Bruce Arians. Really good coach. Top 5 in the game in my book.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It's a half season. Its not a season. You don't coach half the season and get credit for a winning record, because you didn't coach the whole season (although it should be noted he was busy being the OC while the team was completely tanking the first half the season).

And Kitna was as good as half the starting QBs in the league. The guy completed almost 66% of his passes that year for crying out loud. Cleveland hasn't had a guy who could do that on their team in this century.

So Garrett get's credit for 1 1/2 winning seasons, 3 .500 seasons and 0 losing seasons.

Yeah, I guess that qualifies him to be one of the 14 worst coaches in the NFL.

 

[wileedog]

So Garrett get's credit for 1 1/2 winning seasons, 3 .500 seasons and 0 losing seasons.

Yeah, I guess that qualifies him to be one of the 14 worst coaches in the NFL.

In my book, given the talent he has had to work with especially at the QB position, I agree with that statement, yes. I may allow for one of the worse 16.

He was not a good coach at all until he got an all pro Oline and completely changed his approach to the game, and that is not arguable.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

In my book, given the talent he has had to work with especially at the QB position, I agree with that statement, yes. I may allow for one of the worse 16.

He was not a good coach at all until he got an all pro Oline and completely changed his approach to the game, and that is not arguable.

OK, you think he's one of the 16 worst.

Got it.

 

[wileedog]

OK, you think he's one of the 16 worst.

Got it.

We're splitting hairs because you have already said you don't think he is top 10, so really its what shade of middle of the pack is he at this point, right?

Hopefully next season we are not arguing about this.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Hopefully next season we are not arguing about this.

I agree. That would be a good thing.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He was not a good coach at all until he got an all pro Oline and completely changed his approach to the game, and that is not arguable.

Given the bad defense we had 2 and 3 years ago due to the bad luck with injuries on defense that's a bold statement.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm curious if it will work and how it will affect the Cowboys,,, so far I'm not overly concerned and it would be fun to see it fail miserably

I think he's arrogant. He thinks he's too smart for the room. His offensive tempo is absolutely detrimental to his own defense. His system, in his mind, allows him to let go of top talent. He can just keep humming along without pro bowl wideouts. He can churn QBs and RBs. None of it matters. I run plays reallyfast.

 

[wileedog]

Given the bad defense we had 2 and 3 years ago due to the bad luck with injuries on defense that's a bold statement.

Given the games he directly mismanaged and lost, particularly in his reluctance to run the ball when any semi-competent coach would have, I don't think so.

 

[Risen Star]

He did have a winning season in his first season.

And in the final analysis, no the ranking doesn't mean diddley, if he was ranked 1st or 32nd.

5-3 isn't a full season.

You are desperate. Garrett's first winning season was this last one. After 4 years. With a franchise QB. Not impressive.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

He's been in the NFL all of 2 years and already won 20 games. Jason Garrett has been our coach 4 and a half years and just cracked the 10 win plateau.

Average those out and you'll really start to see the discrepancy.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Here are the guys ranked ahead of Garrett from 10-17:

10. Chuck Pagano

11. Bill O'Brien

12. Chip Kelly

13. John Fox

14. Ron Rivera

15. Jeff Fisher

16. Marvin Lewis

17. Rex Ryan

4-1 versus those guys last year. They must have outcoached him though. Says so in this pointless list.

 

[EST_1986]

fine with Garrett around where he is, but Petey Prisco way overrates the so called "genius" Chip Kelly like the rest of the media. Have never seen a lovefest like this, for a coach who has won absolutely nothing.

he's winning the offseason I think kind of

 

[PoundTheRock]

5-3 isn't a full season.

You are desperate. Garrett's first winning season was this last one. After 4 years. With a franchise QB. Not impressive.

Seriously.

Garrett missed the playoffs three years in a row with a top 5 QB in the league (supposedly), but he's a better than middle of the road coach?

Meanwhile, Chip Kelly promptly takes 4-12 team with a QB that he just threw in the trash and wins the division within a year.

 

[Wolfpack]

Jason's best year was the year he "gave" up the most control. I think he has good qualities but he isn't a natural great coach. He might get there but isn't there yet nor does he have a great track record. Jerry even is on record as saying as much.