Profound Grief 19 Children, 2 Teachers Dead In Texas School Shooting

[triplets_93]

Yeah, that's really sad.

On 1) Every school I know of too has all doors locked all day with the office having cameras on the doors to decide whether to buzz someone in or not. That this school didn't have them or they weren't locked is inexcusable. When my kids were in school, it was a pain when I had to take them out for an appointment, waiting to get buzzed in but that was a welcome pain given the possibilities. Whoever made the decision not to lock those doors or not have that basic security in place should lose their jobs and be charged with criminal negligence.

On 2) Law enforcement was also criminally negligent in my opinion. While I have an utmost respect for the boys in blue, they had a moral obligation to try and stop that monster once they put the uniform on that day.

This is a horrendous tragedy for those injured or dead and their families. I'm glad my daughter's last day of Senior year was today, but my wife's still a teacher. Not a single teacher or student should be willing to go back to school anywhere in the country until similar security methods are taken as a stopgap measure.

There will be Lawsuits.

 

[triplets_93]

Authorities took an hour to stop Uvalde gunman, raising questions about law enforcement response

Officials clarified the timeline of the shooting Thursday after giving varying accounts. They refused to answer many questions about the tactics.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/uvalde-school-shooting-police-response/

 

[J_Allen]

Two really bizarre notes about this tragedy

1) The shooter walked, unimpeded, into an unlocked door. Every school that I know of in Texas has all doors locked all day. You have to be beeped in or have a passkey unless door is manned.
2) The shooter was inside for 40 MINUTES with people screaming at law enforcement to please go inside.

Just so sad and tragic

I don't understand it. I would rather rush in and get killed in a split second than live the rest of my life knowing I was a coward that day.

 

[DoctorChicken]

It concerns me deeply when I hear comments like, "we need to act and we need to act quickly". Certainly there is a time and place for this sort of approach, but often than not, these approaches do not address the actual root causes.

Before I get ostracized, a bit of background: in my prior business life I was intimately involved in the evaluation of incidents that resulted in loss of life or significant destruction of facilities. My role was to look at leadership and the management systems - what transpired before, during and after the incident. We relied very heavily on quantitative risk assessment. When changes were warranted, the approach was to address the issues in a systematic and coordinated manner.

Back to my opening remark, I am concerned that in an effort to make changes, bad decisions or incomplete actions will follow. I know it sounds bad, but often the best decisions are made in the cold light of day.

There will be plenty of time for action; let's work through the grieving process first.

When exactly should we start taking immediate and drastic action? Because this has been an issue in America for years.

What has been done so far to curb this terrible issue is obviously not working.

 

[DFWJC]

I don't understand it. I would rather rush in and get killed in a split second than live the rest of my life knowing I was a coward that day.

One heartbreaking story was from a kid that survived.
He was hiding under a table with a table cloth and telling those around him to be quiet. The cops yelled and asked them to yell out if they needed help. I little girl yelled out and was immediately found and killed.
Then the cops broke in and eventually got the guy.

 

[DFWJC]

+1

Mental health is an issue in every western country, but there's never ever been a child shot in a school in my country.

where is that

It has at the very least happened in these countries "East of the Atlantic"
England
Ireland
Scotland
Norway
Denmark
France
Germany
Spain
Finland
Astonia
Russia
Croatia
Greece
Netherlands
Yugoslavia
Lithuania

and i probably left some out

 

[J_Allen]

One heartbreaking story was from a kid that survived.
He was hiding under a table with a table cloth and telling those around him to be quiet. The cops yelled and asked them to yell out if they needed help. I little girl yelled out and was immediately found and killed.
Then the cops broke in and eventually got the guy.

They will never, ever live this down. If I were on the Uvalde Police department I would quit immediately. There's no telling what the residents want to do to them, and for good reason.

That and the 60 or 40 minutes of waiting was absolutely inexcusable. I've also heard from multiple sources that 40% of the town's budget goes to that worthless police department.

Incredible. Absolutely incredible. At this point you have to wonder if it was planned but then how would they know he was going to do that? I don't know. I can't believe it.

And then I heard it took them 20 minutes to breach the door before they finally figured out they could just get a key from a staff member. And this is a SWAT team. How about just shoot the lock? My God.

 

[triplets_93]

Real Heroes . . .

 

[Praxit]

...I still remember one particular day, a kid brought a knife to school. This was middle school back in 80's.. Times have sure changed in a hurry.

 

[Hoofbite]

There were survivors...This recap by this kid is horrible to listen to. https://www.khou.com/article/news/s...tary/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...ared-blood-on-her-body-to-pretend-to-be-dead/

My understanding there were several wounded, but they I'm not sure there's an official count.

Yeah, I saw that today. Good to hear some made it.

 

[Hoofbite]

Two really bizarre notes about this tragedy

1) The shooter walked, unimpeded, into an unlocked door. Every school that I know of in Texas has all doors locked all day. You have to be beeped in or have a passkey unless door is manned.
2) The shooter was inside for 40 MINUTES with people screaming at law enforcement to please go inside.

Just so sad and tragic

It's probably location-dependent. I don't think there are all sorts of locked doors, particularly at the high school I went to. It was an open campus, you could leave campus for the break period or lunch and hit up a restaurant downtown. That was back in the early-mid 2000s. That said, if that door was supposed to be locked then someone really screwed up.

 

[Ranched]

Just heard about this. Tears started yet once again. Mr. Garcia was seen putting flowers in a makeshift memorial on the school grounds only to die a few days later of a broken heart after losing his high school sweetheart. The couple have 4 children.
Life is precious & can change in a heartbeat. Enjoy each day, love one another & be kind!

 

[Reality]

Reminder .. NO POLITICS!

This includes gun-related discussions no matter your opinion!

 

[Reality]

Reminder .. This thread is about THIS attack only!

 

[bigdnlaca]

One heartbreaking story was from a kid that survived.
He was hiding under a table with a table cloth and telling those around him to be quiet. The cops yelled and asked them to yell out if they needed help. I little girl yelled out and was immediately found and killed.
Then the cops broke in and eventually got the guy.

I read that there was a mass shooting drill at Ramos HS. If that is true, the theory could be that it was Ramos who yelled because that was probably how the training went down when it was clear.

 

[J_Allen]

Reminder .. This thread is about THIS attack only!

Thanks for not locking it.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Real Heroes . . .

Absolute embarrassments.

 

[Reality]

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Don't know all the details yet, but they definitely need to do a thorough investigation of the response from law enforcement. If there was any deficiency or demonstrated lack of urgency heads should roll.

I may be mixing the school shootings up, but I believe the officer guarding the school in Florida was found negligent and fired.

 

[DFWJC]

It's probably location-dependent. I don't think there are all sorts of locked doors, particularly at the high school I went to. It was an open campus, you could leave campus for the break period or lunch and hit up a restaurant downtown. That was back in the early-mid 2000s. That said, if that door was supposed to be locked then someone really screwed up.

Night and day change in last 20 years....and especially the last 10.

I don't know of any high schools in the Dallas area like that.
All of them have all doors locked during the day.
Now, when school is starting and ending there are kids streaming in/out of a single location (and guards present) but once the first bell rings, doors are locked.