Pulling the trigger

[Diehardblues]

Now I know you are just trolling here.

Jumbo isn’t a troll. Or at least hadn’t been for about15 years. His expertise is player personnel. A draft and Cap guru himself .

No, he’s just providing his well thought out scenarios to consider if we are serious about starting over.

We have often been divided by philosophies , motives and attitudes but he’s a faithful fan with an Engineer thought process .

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Not many QBs have won their 1st Superbowl after 8 years in the league. Only 4 QBs in the last 30 years have done it:

John Elway (Broncos) - Legendary QB with 1 of the best rosters and coaching staff

Trent Dilfer (Ravens) - benefited from playing with the most dominant defense in league history

Brad Johnson (Bucs) - played with one of the elite defensive units in the league (Tampa 2)

Drew Brees (Saints) - Legendary QB with a great coaching staff

Dak could only win a Superbowl if we had an elite level defense that limits teams under 20 points in the playoffs and even if it did Dak would lose it (SF playoff games).

Isn't Stafford on that list?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Jared Goff took the Rams to the Super Bowl early in his career. The Rams dumped him anyway shortly after that.

Carson Wentz was an MVP candidate the year the Eagles won the Super Bowl, and has a Super Bowl ring. But he was replaced by Nick Foles during the season when he got injured, and not long afterward, the Eagles spent a 2nd round pick on Jalen Hurts. Carson was unceremoniously dumped on the Colts soon afterward.

Alex Smith was taking the Chiefs to the playoffs, but Andy Reid still moved up in the draft to pick Patrick Mahomes.

Drew Bledsoe had just become the highest paid QB in the NFL, but Belichick elevated Tom Brady over him. Like Wentz, Bledsoe has a Super Bowl ring, but not as the starting QB.

Dan Majkowski (the Magic Man) was a more than serviceable starter for the Packers, but they traded for Brett Favre, and when Majkowski went down in game 3, Favre never relinquished the starting role until after he set the record for most consecutive games. Then, the Packers dumped the #1 QB in NFL history for Aaron Rodgers. Then the Packers repeated the process, dumping Aaron Rodgers for Jordan Love.

Tom Landry and the Cowboys spent the 5th overall in 1965 for QB Craig Morton. Like Goff, he started a Super Bowl his team lost. Less than a year later, the Cowboys sent him to the bench in favor of Roger Staubach. Morton later started another Super Bowl against the Cowboys - and lost to his former team.

DFW native Tommy Kramer had a breakout season for the Steelers as their starting QB in 2003. That didn’t stop the Steelers from spending a top 15 pick on Ben Roethlisberger in 2004, where he promptly went undefeated as a starter for 15 games as a rookie, while Kramer looked on from the sidelines.

Robert Griffin III was rookie of the year in 2012, beating out Andrew Luck for the honor. A couple of seasons later, Kirk Cousins was the starter, and RGIII never again played as well as he did n his rookie year.

I’m not saying Dak is a bad QB. I think he’s a very, very good QB. But it’s not unprecedented to move on from a good QB - even a Super Bowl QB. Morton, Bledsoe and Goff were all Super Bowl starters quickly dumped by their teams when something better came along. Both Favre and Rodgers won Super Bowls, but their teams weren’t afraid to move on.

Just saying…

You don’t have to hate Dak, or think he’s an awful QB yo come to a decision that he’s had enough chances in Dallas. If Atlanta is willing to give up the 8th pick, plus a couple of other high picks, and Dak would like to help Belichick surpass Don Shula’s win total, I make that trade, and start over at QB. The Cowboys can let Trey Lance battle it out with another top 10 draft pick for the right to be the next Dallas QB.

Jerald has a major problem of letting go. Add to this tha Dak is his pet project and we are looking at a Dak extension.

 

[Diehardblues]

And if I was looking to trade someone with true value it would be Parsons.

We could extend Dak for 2 years for Cap relief then draft our heir apparent and not need him to start immediately.

That way you’re not starting completely over . An easier sell for our owner who’s comfortable with our HC and QB. It also provides hope he can hype moving forward.

And Micah has already stated he wants to follow DQ. He wasn’t game changer on the bigger stages and we might could get a couple 1st round picks for more.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Dak did not lose us this game but he did not help win it either. This game is on the Defense.

Dak was one of the reasons we lost. Once again we were in a playoff game where the only thing Dak needed to do was manage the game and not hurt the team by turning the ball over. What did he do? Did not manage the game and turned the ball over.

 

[Sydla]

Jumbo isn’t a troll. Or at least hadn’t been for about15 years. His expertise is player personnel. A draft and Cap guru himself .

No, he’s just providing his well thought out scenarios to consider if we are serious about starting over.

We have often been divided by philosophies , motives and attitudes but he’s a faithful fan with an Engineer thought process .

I don't think he's a troll but maybe he's trying to have some fun here.

Because there is literally ZERO CHANCE the Bears would trade the #1 pick and Justin Fields for Dak. Zero.

 

[raven55]

what you do with this situation make dak uncomfortable tell him right off the gun with the coach your gonna be a backup he be shrug his shoulders okay but a minute later he will be on phone to his agent saying go to hell with no trade clause. That's how a general manager a good one would handle it so then not the cowboys but he would have to seek a team on trade and then he would sit his little fanny down and bring his cap figure down. and if he didn't do this life sometimes can be REAL TOUIGH

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't think he's a troll but maybe he's trying to have some fun here.

Because there is literally ZERO CHANCE the Bears would trade the #1 pick and Justin Fields for Dak. Zero.

No, he’s just throwing out probable scenarios to consider.

And BTW I agree with you Bears wouldn’t give up their #1.

 

[KingCorcoran]

And if I was looking to trade someone with true value it would be Parsons.

We could extend Dak for 2 years for Cap relief then draft our heir apparent and not need him to start immediately.

That way you’re not starting completely over . An easier sell for our owner who’s comfortable with our HC and QB. It also provides hope he can hype moving forward.

And Micah has already stated he wants to follow DQ. He wasn’t game changer on the bigger stages and we might could get a couple 1st round picks for more.

Jerry can extend Dak for 2 years if Dak agrees to it. If Dak doesn’t agree to it then what? Dak Prescott is signing his last major deal. He’s going to want a minimum $180 million guaranteed. I’m sure he’d sign a four year deal for that kind of guaranteed money, Jerry will likely go for 5 years for that size guarantee. The whole deal will be in the $50 to $55 million per season range. Otherwise Dak will play out his current deal and take his talents elsewhere. Jerry Jones has painted himself into a corner. His reasonable options are limited.

 

[bigE79]

The problem is Jerry is now more fearful of making a mistake than taking a risk that might result in success. He can’t stand the thought that Dak might take another team to a Super Bowl.

Atlanta with Belichick would be a good spot for Dak. They have a good running back & Belichick would see that they’re well schemed. Hell, he won a game just 2 years ago running something like 52 out of 55 plays.

I would love for the cowboys to play against dak..he would fold like a cheap suit.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Jerry can extend Dak for 2 years if Dak agrees to it. If Dak doesn’t agree to it then what? Dak Prescott is signing his last major deal. He’s going to want a minimum $180 million guaranteed. I’m sure he’d sign a four year deal for that kind of guaranteed money, Jerry will likely go for 5 years for that size guarantee. The whole deal will be in the $50 to $55 million per season range. Otherwise Dak will play out his current deal and take his talents elsewhere. Jerry Jones has painted himself into a corner. His reasonable options are limited.

Cut him and start Lance. It's a down year and use the time to evaluate what you have to rebuild.

 

[BBGTYCOON]

People are missing the obvious.

McCarthy can pull a Jason Garrett and get rid of Dak and buy himself some time with a young QB

Think about it, McCarthy strength is QB development and Jerry likes his yes men.

I'm surprised McCarthy hasn't gone to Jerry asking for his chance to pick his own guy.

McCarthy has more skins than Dak.
More longevity too.

The simple answer if I'm Jerry is to keep McCarthy and let him choose his QB would satisfy everyone but the Dak apologists and gives the chance to be like the 49ers or young Russell Wilson led Seahawks.

 

[Diehardblues]

I would love for the cowboys to play against dak..he would fold like a cheap suit.

Maybe not. Our defense has made much less talented QB’s look great.

 

[buddahjoe445]

This is a ridiculous take.

Any team taking on Dak in a trade gets a QB that isn’t even a top ten paid QB in 2024.

But they also know they're getting a QB thats gonna crap the bed if they reach the playoff.

 

[mardwin]

Isn't Stafford on that list?

I forgot Stanford and Manning. Those are 1st Rd talent

 

[JustChip]

I would love for the cowboys to play against dak..he would fold like a cheap suit.

Not with the defense that played the other night. Or that played against Seattle. Or Detroit.

 

[Kwyn]

Not sure the Falcons would want to give up the 8th pick. Granted, if they do somehow land Belichick, at this point in his career, he may not want to have to hand hold a young QB for a couple of seasons, he may want to try to win now. So in that sense, maybe a guy like Dak might interest in him.

Frankly, if they gave me their 2nd round pick this year, a 1s5 or 2nd next year and maybe a 3rd/4th this year, I'd dump him in a heartbeat. To me, his value isn't in trying to get high picks. His value is getting him off the books and giving Lance a chance so we can figure out where to go with the QB position in the next two offeasons.

It surprises me how many people are willing to go into next season with Trey Lance as our starting QB.

 

[Kwyn]

Belichick’s window is small. He’s 72 years old, and he wants Shula’s record more than he wants another Super Bowl win. With the rest of their roster, Dak can get him that record in the next two seasons. They can manipulate their Cap space to extend Dak, and the Cowboys take the hit this year for his past bonuses. I would ask for their #1&2 picks in 2024, and another #2 pick in 2025. Then trade Trey Lance to the Vikings for the #11 pick.

Then the Cowboys can trade the #8, #11 and #56 pick to Chicago, and keep the #24 and #43 pick in 2024, plus have two #2 picks in the 2025 draft.

Time to start again for the Cowboys.

This would also likely mean that McCarthy gets dumped, and the Cowboys start over with a new coaching staff. If they can get Jim Harbaugh to come to Dallas, and give him a clean slate, he just might go for that.

I would also consider trading Micah Parsons if someone wants to back up the draft pick Brinks truck. If the Cowboys make the commitment to rebuild, might as well go all in. Jerry did it before when he traded away Herschel Walker. Why not do it again?

The difference is the team was a dumpster fire and in full rebuild from the gutter up.

This team has three 12 win seasons. Outside of the Zone, I don’t think Cowboy fandom is ready to tear it down and go to a 3-5 win team next year which is what we get without Parsons and Dak and Trey Lance as our QB, which seems to be gaining traction on this board for some reason.

 

[tomokawan]

Time for the bum to ride out of town.

Dak is not a great QB, but calling him a bum is low class.

 

[ArtClink]

Here me out…

Dak isn’t the problem. Jerry is. Then it will be Stevie. If they cut Dak this team will win 6 games next year. Probably 4/5 the next. They will be able to draft a good QB then. Add a good young coach. Ratchet up hope again to what? Divisional Round failure. Sadly that’s the bar here folks. The Jones taint is strong.

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