QB Analysis Week 2 Trey Lance

[jazzcat22]

That’s the big question. He is a 4 year pro. I don't think he should be a project at year 4.

4 years whine again. Not a true 4 years.

 

[Ironicalicon]

Looks like Trey doesnt scan the other side , he looks left then stays left, looks right , stays right.

Yeah, that's what's probably going to take him the longest to develop: going through reads. But until then he does have the legs.

 

[jazzcat22]

I absolutely question his talent. Reading a defense on time is a talent - probably the most important one for a QB.

Doesn't mean he can't/won't, but the talent is not there.

You, nor any of us fans can say he can or can't read defenses. I mean many, say that about Dak as well. Do you agree with them?

 

[jazzcat22]

Lol of course this thread is a lot shorter than the one from week 1


I wonder why

Yeah, some notable Trey "dislikers" are missing from this thread. And other threads since PS game 2.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

So you ask why can fans watch a 30 minute video, but yet claim you know what he can't do. His past history means nothing at this point. It was about last weeks game and his improvement.
You obviously did not watch the video from your statement. And you can't tell everything from watching it on TV.

And it is not a true 4 years.

He didn't improve because he didn't hit vertical or timing throws with any consistency. He was the same player as the week before.

I don't know who that guy even is. Why would I - or anyone, really - implicitly trust him?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You, nor any of us fans can say he can or can't read defenses. I mean many, say that about Dak as well. Do you agree with them?

They are wrong.

The proof is in the inability to hit anything downfield. Dak couldn't do it for his first 2.5 years in the league either.

 

[CowboysRule]

Yeah but I would’ve rather have had Fields for a 6th. And they could’ve got Lance cheaper if they waited just like all their trades.

I can't disagree on Fields. He's made a huge improvement over where he started at and I think he will be starting for the Steelers before the year is over if not Week 1.

 

[CowboysRule]

No it isn't. You've burned a pick on a guy who makes no difference on whether you are competitive or not.

If they're developmental, you never get the value of having them on a rookie contract. This is extraordinarily true for Lance, who is paid 5x more than a 4th-round pick AND becomes a free agent after 1 year. He's not just going to sign in Dallas for league min to be a backup.

That's my point though. Most 4th round picks don't determine whether you are competitive or not but you are getting a guy here who may have what it takes to take over the most important position on the team at some point. Or he may not. Such as it goes with draft picks.

And yes, if we resign him it won't be on a rookie contract. But he's not going to be commanding huge money on the open market after this season as, unless something unexpected happens, he won't be playing much.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

150 yards is nothing. 1 preseason game is nothing. He's thrown 60-something passes and completed exactly 1 beyond 20 yards lol. They couldn't hit on any third downs.

The whole "his scrubs against their 1s" is nonsense. Lance didn't do anything in the first half.

Facts are nonsense? This...is nonsense.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

4 years whine again. Not a true 4 years.

It’s been 4 years.

 

[jazzcat22]

They are wrong.

The proof is in the inability to hit anything downfield. Dak couldn't do it for his first 2.5 years in the league either.

In the 2nd half he hit some players down field. Also scrambled a few times, found the open WR.
And maybe the WR going down field did not do what he was supposed to do.

Dak still has a hard time finding them going into year 9.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I can't disagree on Fields. He's made a huge improvement over where he started at and I think he will be starting for the Steelers before the year is over if not Week 1.

In Cowboys minor defense I don’t think they or anyone else knew Fields would be worth a 6th. I thought a first or a second.

 

[jazzcat22]

He didn't improve because he didn't hit vertical or timing throws with any consistency. He was the same player as the week before.

I don't know who that guy even is. Why would I - or anyone, really - implicitly trust him?

But he did find them and had better passes downfield in the 2nd half.
I think MM called a more conservative game in the 1st half. Build some confidence.

How did you like that fade for the TD. It looked pretty dang good.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

In the 2nd half he hit some players down field. Also scrambled a few times, found the open WR.
And maybe the WR going down field did not do what he was supposed to do.

Dak still has a hard time finding them going into year 9.

You guys can bring up Dak’s flaws as a playoff qb because of the last few years he’s been bad. The choke gene seems to be in him but him as a player is of the best in the league. It Lance had his flaws Dak would’ve been gone by now.

 

[Bobhaze]

I absolutely question his talent. Reading a defense on time is a talent - probably the most important one for a QB.

Doesn't mean he can't/won't, but the talent is not there.

Mac I agree with you Lance has clearly had trouble reading defenses so far in his career. And in the PS there are zero exotic coverages to decipher.

What I’m talking about is his raw talent - athleticism, arm strength and mobility. Does that mean he’s ready to be a successful starter? Not yet. Those saying “let’s roll with Lance” are mostly wishcasting.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Mac I agree with you Lance has clearly had trouble reading defenses so far in his career. And in the PS there are zero exotic coverages to decipher.

What I’m talking about is his raw talent - athleticism, arm strength and mobility. Does that mean he’s ready to be a successful starter? Not yet. Those saying “let’s roll with Lance” are mostly wishcasting.

Sure. The physical part of the talent is there (although I think his legs are wildly overrated). Splitting hairs I guess, I just think that reading defenses, timing, and those sorts of things are a part of "talent."

But no, definitely can't just roll with him now.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

But he did find them and had better passes downfield in the 2nd half.
I think MM called a more conservative game in the 1st half. Build some confidence.

How did you like that fade for the TD. It looked pretty dang good.

No he didn't. He has hit one pass that has gone more than 20 yards in the air in two games.

Every quarterback in the NFL can make that throw. Good ball, but it's a pre-snap read to a guy in single coverage who gets WIDE open. It means nothing - considerably less than the throw he missed in the opposite corner last week that required a post-snap hi-low read as well.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Facts are nonsense? This...is nonsense.

Is this a joke? The numbers are the facts. The numbers said he didn't do anything against the Raiders starters.

Idk what you're talking about.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Dak still has a hard time finding them going into year 9.

This is unequivocally false. His air yards per completion is always among the leaders - last year he attempted more 20+ air yards passes per game than every full-time starter except Purdy.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

That's my point though. Most 4th round picks don't determine whether you are competitive or not but you are getting a guy here who may have what it takes to take over the most important position on the team at some point. Or he may not. Such as it goes with draft picks.

And yes, if we resign him it won't be on a rookie contract. But he's not going to be commanding huge money on the open market after this season as, unless something unexpected happens, he won't be playing much.

No, but a backup QB doesn't give you any market value.

He is going to have all of the leverage if Dak is gone. Look at what quarterbacks make lol. Even if you get him at Minshew money ($12.5m) you're still paying over $50m cap dollars to your quarterbacks AND you're not going to have any term on that type of deal, so if Lance is good in 2025, you're going to have to give him $60m the next year anyway.

I don't mind trading a 4th-rounder for a backup - even though I think it is pointless. I really hate it for a guy who, at bests, costs you more money than you'd spend if you just extended Dak at the top of the market right now.