QB Hits - Spencer and Ware

[Eskimo]

New Orleans uses some 3-4 alignments as well.

That makes sense because I remember multiple times where it looked like Free was blocking a LB on a 4-man rush.

 

[JBell]

I think Washington is one of those hybrid teams that is sometimes a 4-3 and sometimes a 3-4. I don't watch any of their games except against us but I think that's the way they do it.

Yeah Orakpo rushes the QB a lot, but ProFootballFocus lists Orakpo as a 4-3 OLB and theogt used 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB stats.

 

[goliadmike]

That makes sense because I remember multiple times where it looked like Free was blocking a LB on a 4-man rush.

It seems to me I remember them running some 3-4 against the Eagles and the Pats, but I don't seem to recall seeing it much against us, but I was at a family function and was distracted... a lot (like I actually care about my nephew Cindy's ballet performance).

 

[Eskimo]

It seems to me I remember them running some 3-4 against the Eagles and the Pats, but I don't seem to recall seeing it much against us, but I was at a family function and was distracted... a lot (like I actually care about my nephew Cindy's ballet performance).

i think they played 4-3 most of the night but they did give us some 3-4 looks i think . part of the reason they did that may have had to do with the injury to sedrick ellis - is he the guy that normally mans the nose in their 3-4.

regardless, free was blocking an olb many times throughout the night.

 

[goliadmike]

Has anyone checked the log for some sort of a typo?

I checked and it is not due to an obvious single typo or improper addition. The amazing thing is how dominant he has been down the stretch here. He has 35 pressures in the last 6 weeks including a monster performance 9 against Oakland and 6 against the Giants. He contributed 5 this last week against Washington. His worst performance in this stretch was 3 pressures which if extrapolated over the whole year would give him 48 pressures which would still put him far ahead of everyone else.

It'd be interesting if someone with a PVR and lots of extra free time wants to try and score QB pressures next week or from the tape of this last week against Washington.

It beats me if the methodology or the scorer changed in the middle of the season.

I emailed profootball focus about the accuracy of Ware's pressures. A guy from the site sent me a list with a game by game break down with the quarter, down, and distance. The list they sent me adds up to 60 compared to the year total on the site.
1 extra for week 3 against Carolina
1 extra for week 4 against Denver
3 extra for week 5 against Kansas City
1 extra for week 10 against Green Bay
1 extra for week 13 against New York
1 less for week 16 against Washington

If anyone wants a copy of the list game by game send me a pm and I'll shoot a copy of the email to you.

 

[burmafrd]

interesting that the great Julius Pepper is nowhere to be found on any list.

 

[Eskimo]

interesting that the great Julius Pepper is nowhere to be found on any list.

I think the issue with Peppers is that he is doubled alot and sometimes he doesn't play with full intensity.

 

[theogt]

I emailed profootball focus about the accuracy of Ware's pressures. A guy from the site sent me a list with a game by game break down with the quarter, down, and distance. The list they sent me adds up to 60 compared to the year total on the site.
1 extra for week 3 against Carolina
1 extra for week 4 against Denver
3 extra for week 5 against Kansas City
1 extra for week 10 against Green Bay
1 extra for week 13 against New York
1 less for week 16 against Washington

If anyone wants a copy of the list game by game send me a pm and I'll shoot a copy of the email to you.

He told me he actually has 61 pressures, but those 7 were taken away due to penalties.

Edit: The complete list does add up to 61. That's simply amazing. I don't have the time to check out all of them, but if anyone does, I'd be happy to share the list as well.

 

[theogt]

Added in tackles to the formula:

This list includes 3-4 OLBs and 4-3 DEs who have played at least 600 snaps.

Name		Snaps	QB Sk	QB Ht	QB Pr	Tks	Pres.  	All Around
DeMarcus Ware	927	12	16	54	34	104.64	122.98
A. Spencer	947	5	26	21	54	92.93	121.44
James Harrison	899	10	12	31	47	78.42	104.56
Elvis Dumervil	829	17	7	29	22	89.87	103.14
Ray Edwards	834	8	22	33	28	83.96	100.75
Trent Cole	899	13	20	26	36	74.66	94.68
Lamarr Woodley	897	10	11	27	33	73.58	91.97
Clay Matthews	813	10	9	24	28	73.19	90.41
Clark Haggans	771	6	7	21	44	55.77	84.31
Tamba Hali	954	8	11	30	34	65.51	83.33
Manny Lawson	781	6	9	19	36	60.18	83.23
Shaun Phillips	836	7	8	16	43	54.43	80.14
Andre Carter	927	13	16	25	31	61.70	78.42
M. Kiwanuka	605	3	13	24	32	51.61	78.06
Mario Williams	895	9	16	29	25	63.42	77.38
K. Wimbley	885	7	7	21	44	51.41	76.27
Darryl Tapp	648	2	14	12	34	49.26	75.49
Jared Allen	909	14	14	32	26	58.66	72.96
K Vanden Bosch	734	3	14	25	26	55.19	72.90
Joey Porter	690	8	5	11	23	55.07	71.74
Robert Mathis	608	10	11	37	18	51.46	66.26
A. Smith	819	6	13	29	20	53.96	66.17
Alex Brown	732	6	12	20	28	46.75	65.87
Jason Taylor	777	8	4	19	23	50.84	65.64
Parys Haralson	857	5	7	26	25	50.18	64.76
John Abraham	659	6	10	33	23	46.41	63.86
S. Merriman	614	4	4	13	24	43.16	62.70
Will Smith	835	12	13	22	18	50.94	61.72
Osi Umenyiora	609	6	13	18	13	48.96	59.64
Patrick Kerney	668	5	10	18	22	39.56	56.03
Juqua Parker	690	7	9	21	24	37.85	55.25
J. Wilkerson	682	6	9	13	28	34.19	54.72
Chike Okeafor	623	3	2	13	30	30.50	54.57
Julius Peppers	711	9	9	29	18	41.54	54.20
James Hall	659	4	6	16	34	26.13	51.92
Tyler Brayton	633	4	6	23	28	29.31	51.43
Aaron Schobel	810	10	9	19	23	37.02	51.22
Chris Long	687	4	9	15	22	35.05	51.06
R. Seymour	696	4	8	19	24	33.74	50.98
A. Ogunleye	734	6	8	25	19	36.52	49.46
Terrell Suggs	624	3	4	15	35	19.40	47.44
Mike Vrabel	779	2	2	13	38	21.18	45.57
Chris Kelsay	891	6	6	22	29	28.91	45.18
W. Hayes	654	5	5	23	24	26.21	44.56
R. Geathers	784	4	5	18	21	23.91	37.30
Charles Grant	739	4	5	13	22	21.64	36.52
Shaun Ellis	639	7	2	13	26	12.34	32.69
Calvin Pace	605	7	1	18	23	11.49	30.50
Raheem Brock	777	2	2	15	20	13.12	25.99

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm glad to see the guy is doing pretty darn well despite the fact that people thought he wasn't doing anything simply because he didn't have a ton of sacks.

 

[Clove]

He has 9 hits and 15 pressures. I guess he should have been on the 4-3 DE QB hits list. Just copied down a good ways to get a critical mass of players on the list. I may have inadvertently cut the list off just before him.

My man Theo, you done good, you done good.

Ware has done something I've whined for him to do more of and that's pressure the QB. Pressure causes QBs to do stupid things.

 

[goliadmike]

Added in tackles to the formula:

This list includes 3-4 OLBs and 4-3 DEs who have played at least 600 snaps.

Thanks theogt

By that list Spencer and Ware aren't just a little better they are a lot better than the other OLB tandems

 

[theogt]

Thanks theogt

By that list Spencer and Ware aren't just a little better they are a lot better than the other OLB tandems

And they're 25 and 27 years old, respectively. Gotta love it.

 

[nflandbooze]

That site does a nice job of compiling some stats, but their rating system leaves something to be desired. According to them, Garrard and Flacco are having better seasons than Romo. Now I'm no Romo homer, but give me a break.

 

[bayeslife]

Yikes, and they both have over 900 snaps.

Noteworthy mention, Spencer leads that list in tackles.

 

[theogt]

As requested by goliadmike, here are the pressure statistics by team for 3-4 OLBs:

Name		Snaps	QB Sk	QB Ht	QB Pr	Pres.  Form.
Dallas		1874	17	42	75	98.72
Pittsburgh	1796	20	23	58	76.00
Green Bay	1902	19	24	46	68.61
San Diego	1450	13	18	39	66.90
Denver		1804	18	15	53	60.42
Cleveland	1808	17	17	31	55.59
San Francisco	1638	11	16	45	54.95
Miami		1467	16	9	30	52.83
Kansas City	1733	10	13	43	45.59
Arizona		1857	13	9	52	43.62

Thanks to goliadmike for grouping them by team!

Note that New England and Baltimore are not listed, because neither is playing a true 3-4 this year. New England's defense is somewhat odd -- they'll often have four linebackers, but it's certainly not a 3-4 by any stretch of the imagination. They basically just run a 4-3 and have one of the ends (usually Tully) stand up, which could technically make it a 3-4, but it's not.

Here's an example:

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[goliadmike]

As requested by goliadmike, here are the pressure statistics by team for 3-4 OLBs:

Name        Snaps    QB Sk    QB Ht    QB Pr    Pres.  Form.
Dallas        1874    17    42    75    98.72
Pittsburgh    1796    20    23    58    76.00
Green Bay    1902    19    24    46    68.61
San Diego    1450    13    18    39    66.90
Denver        1804    18    15    53    60.42
Cleveland    1808    17    17    31    55.59
San Francisco    1638    11    16    45    54.95
Miami        1467    16    9    30    52.83
Kansas City    1733    10    13    43    45.59
Arizona        1857    13    9    52    43.62

I hope Butler or one of the other young linebackers can step up and give Spencer and Ware a breather next year. Thanks for putting those stats up.

 

[percyhoward]

Seeing Vrabel down at 42nd on the list reminded me that Peter King put Vrabel on his All-Decade Team ahead of Ware. :drunk:

As far as the real All-Decade team goes, I don't know how they can keep Ware off of it. Brooks will get one OLB spot and if Ware doesn't get the other, there should be an investigation.

It would set him up to make two All-Decade teams.

 

[burmafrd]

well to be fair Vrabel was active from the beginning of the decade while Ware has only played since 2005.

 

[percyhoward]

well to be fair Vrabel was active from the beginning of the decade while Ware has only played since 2005.

Nothing fair about favoring a one-time Pro Bowler over a four-time Pro Bowler, just because of timing.

Well, in King's world evidently there is.