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[Mcsports]

He’s a below average WR. So is Mingo. Don’t kid yourself. We have CD and that’s it. Our GM and his son are terrible for this organization. I would invite you to take my stance. Watch them and even root for them, but don’t waste your time thinking they will ever be a championship caliber team. You’re better off spending your time with family and friends, or on hobbies, or relaxing or whatever you enjoy. Don’t waste it on this ownership. You only get so many minutes in your lifetime and over half will be spent working and sleeping. Jerry and Stephen are not worth our minutes.

Easily the post of the millennium.
But as fans , we easily forget and remain hopeful.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Really? How does it work out when CD gets 200 passes his direction. So all the other receivers got 0 yards for 200 routes.

How does that affect your average?

Lets assume Dak throws 500 passes.

CD gets 200
Ferguson gets 100
Tolbert 100
WR3 gets 50
RB's get 50

So Tolbert 80% of the time the ball is not thrown to Tolbert. How is he supposed to perform well?

Even if he caught 70% of his passes and average 20 yards per catch. He would still be at 2.8 yards per route with 1,400 yards receiving.

This statistic is highly overrated. Now if it was route ran and the ball thrown to you, maybe it would make sense.

There area a few fundamental flaws in your argument...

1) If Tolbert gets 100 passes his way that would be excellent and put him into legitimate WR2 territory. Last season Jameson Williams got 92 targets (1.97Y/RR) playing sharing targets with St. Brown and LaPorta. Cooper Kupp got 105 targets (1.88Y/RR) despite being #2 to Nacua and missing several games. Tee Higgins got 104 targets (2.05 Y/RR) despite missing multiple games and playing with Jamarr Chase. You can keep going down the list too and see plenty of teams with high volume WR1s getting other guys around 100 targets or more (Indy, Minn, Sea, etc.).

Based on his snap count from a year ago 100 targets is about what should have been expected from Tolbert. His production is about 25% less than you’d like to see. And from your example if Tolbert catches 70% of his targets for 2.8Y/RR hes going to be in the hall of fame one day. Thats the top 1% of WRs doing that.

2) 200 targets for a WR is typically an outlier number. Only 3 guys in league history have broken the 200 target mark with 205 being the single season record (Marvin Harrison). Lamb did come pretty close a couple years ago, but 150 is a much more likely number out of your WR1 on average. Also 500 attempts from your QB in this era is pretty low. Over half the QBs in the league threw over 500 attempts and many others simply didnt hit it because of missed time. Dak himself in 2024 was on pace for 607 pass attempts, and had 650 attempts in 2024 when Lamb had so many targets. Basically there are plenty of passing targets to go around to multiple players in the NFL.

3) You're pretty much suggesting that teams are force feeding certain guys and the WR has no responsibilities pre throw to get the QB to deliver them the football. There are certainly a hand full of plays each game designed to get a certain player the football, but the majority of pass plays are just designed to get the open man the football. The reason Tolbert isnt getting the football more often is because he is not getting open at a high rate. All QBs are going to be guilty of missing an open WR on occasion, but over the course of 17 games that should even out to where most WRs will be on a pretty level playing field of missed opportunities.

This has always been part of the issue with Tolbert. Depending on the coverage he can be useful in some crossing & inside cutting routes, but he's dominantly a vertical part of the route tree guy which will limit how often the football goes his was. If he wants more targets he needs to continue his development as a complete WR. That has way more to do with his target share than it does Lamb.

 

[Chasing6]

There area a few fundamental flaws in your argument...

1) If Tolbert gets 100 passes his way that would be excellent and put him into legitimate WR2 territory. Last season Jameson Williams got 92 targets (1.97Y/RR) playing sharing targets with St. Brown and LaPorta. Cooper Kupp got 105 targets (1.88Y/RR) despite being #2 to Nacua and missing several games. Tee Higgins got 104 targets (2.05 Y/RR) despite missing multiple games and playing with Jamarr Chase. You can keep going down the list too and see plenty of teams with high volume WR1s getting other guys around 100 targets or more (Indy, Minn, Sea, etc.).

Based on his snap count from a year ago 100 targets is about what should have been expected from Tolbert. His production is about 25% less than you’d like to see. And from your example if Tolbert catches 70% of his targets for 2.8Y/RR hes going to be in the hall of fame one day. Thats the top 1% of WRs doing that.

2) 200 targets for a WR is typically an outlier number. Only 3 guys in league history have broken the 200 target mark with 205 being the single season record (Marvin Harrison). Lamb did come pretty close a couple years ago, but 150 is a much more likely number out of your WR1 on average. Also 500 attempts from your QB in this era is pretty low. Over half the QBs in the league threw over 500 attempts and many others simply didnt hit it because of missed time. Dak himself in 2024 was on pace for 607 pass attempts, and had 650 attempts in 2024 when Lamb had so many targets. Basically there are plenty of passing targets to go around to multiple players in the NFL.

3) You're pretty much suggesting that teams are force feeding certain guys and the WR has no responsibilities pre throw to get the QB to deliver them the football. There are certainly a hand full of plays each game designed to get a certain player the football, but the majority of pass plays are just designed to get the open man the football. The reason Tolbert isnt getting the football more often is because he is not getting open at a high rate. All QBs are going to be guilty of missing an open WR on occasion, but over the course of 17 games that should even out to where most WRs will be on a pretty level playing field of missed opportunities.

This has always been part of the issue with Tolbert. Depending on the coverage he can be useful in some crossing & inside cutting routes, but he's dominantly a vertical part of the route tree guy which will limit how often the football goes his was. If he wants more targets he needs to continue his development as a complete WR. That has way more to do with his target share than it does Lamb.

Keep in mind Hurts last year threw the ball 361 times in 15 games or 24 times a game or projected just over 400 in 17, and he averaged slightly less in the playoffs.

WildCard game 21 passes
NFC Division 20 passes
NFC Championship 28 passes
Super Bowl 22 passes

Throwing the ball 35+ times a game is a losing strategy. Especially with a poor OLine, that can not protect the QB.

 

[Chasing6]

I don't have a ton to push back on there, its fairly accurate. I agree you don't give up on the guy at this point in time, but you also don't go into the 2025 season with high expectations either. I'd give him maybe a 20% chance of ever establishing himself as a starting caliber WR? Between his blocking ability and general physical skillset he can absolutely be worth a roster spot as a rotational piece. It's also typically not too hard to get speedy 6'2" 220lbs bodies on the field for special teams too.

Well GM Jethro stated he traded for him with the future in mind. So he will definitely be given an opportunity.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Keep in mind Hurts last year threw the ball 361 times in 15 games or 24 times a game or projected just over 400 in 17, and he averaged slightly less in the playoffs.

WildCard game 21 passes
NFC Division 20 passes
NFC Championship 28 passes
Super Bowl 22 passes

Throwing the ball 35+ times a game is a losing strategy. Especially with a poor OLine, that can not protect the QB.

I completely agree with you there, but that is exactly why I like to utilize the efficiency stats like Y/RR when evaluating WRs. To me AJ Browns 2024 season is criminally underrated because he was in a run focused offense. Brown had:

95 targets 67 catches 1079 yards and 7 TDs and did that on just 360 routes ran which is 67th in the league.

To me that is way more impressive than guys of similar yardage numbers like Garrett Wilson, JSN, Garrett Wilson, Calvin Ridley, etc and honestly even more impressive than a guy like Lamb. Not saying any of those guys had bad years, but Brown was simply next level, possibly the best WR in football this past year.

 

[Chasing6]

I completely agree with you there, but that is exactly why I like to utilize the efficiency stats like Y/RR when evaluating WRs. To me AJ Browns 2024 season is criminally underrated because he was in a run focused offense. Brown had:

95 targets 67 catches 1079 yards and 7 TDs and did that on just 360 routes ran which is 67th in the league.

To me that is way more impressive than guys of similar yardage numbers like Garrett Wilson, JSN, Garrett Wilson, Calvin Ridley, etc and honestly even more impressive than a guy like Lamb. Not saying any of those guys had bad years, but Brown was simply next level, possibly the best WR in football this past year.

A good running game opens up the passing lanes. We just need more balance everywhere on our team. If we could run 500 times and pass 500 times, I think we would be significantly more effective.

 

[blueblood70]

He’s a below average WR. So is Mingo. Don’t kid yourself. We have CD and that’s it. Our GM and his son are terrible for this organization. I would invite you to take my stance. Watch them and even root for them, but don’t waste your time thinking they will ever be a championship caliber team. You’re better off spending your time with family and friends, or on hobbies, or relaxing or whatever you enjoy. Don’t waste it on this ownership. You only get so many minutes in your lifetime and over half will be spent working and sleeping. Jerry and Stephen are not worth our minutes.

I hate to break it to you you're not going to convince people that your post is not a monumental waste of time and you're a hypocrite.. you're trying to tell me you take special time to come in here and let us know how is best to be a fan and I get it all seems like hypocrisy be here..

you don't have to be signed up with the name Jerry in your name. Seems to me Jerry probably lives rent free in your head,

but this is a time wasting effort that you should be spending time with your friends families and hobbies, take your own advice, don't be a hypocrite and preferably I'd like to see your account disappear and you delete everything but before you go show us a big pile of burning garb all your old jerseys everything that has a cowboy star on it, Please provide the video proof that you burned everything, and delete everything and make sure all your social media page has settings to not post anything about the cowboys, you just go ahead and miss it all.

That's all I want to say this seems like this exact thing you coming in here and posting is exactly the opposite of what you're telling us we should be doing because this is definitely not normal fans sign up for special pages and come in and waste time posting about the Cowboys all those people seem to do care the ones that cry they don't care the most are hurt in special places so they have to let us know how it doesn't hurt anymore they don't care but you actually do or you wouldn't be here....LOL.​