Quarterback futility in the NFL

[Hoofbite]

Cousins played well last year and if the next QB in Dallas has a 2nd year as a starter like Bortles or Carr just had, I would be thrilled.

 

[Fletch]

To me it looks like we of should of drafted a QB at 4. 16 of the 32 were first round picks.

We did. The 4th round. Dak is gonna be a good one. He has the luxury of learning behind one of the best for a couple seasons. Don't be writing him off. I pity the foo!

 

[DandyDon1722]

11 of the starting NFL quarterbacks in the league were drafted 10 or more years ago.

Wow.

Man - that is eye opening. I think we all better get used to the proposition that if we don't hit on Prescott or somebody soon we will have to sell the farm to move up and get out next guy.

BTW - I'm okay with that if it's a consensus real deal like Luck. Even if we gave up 2 ones and 2 twos and a 3 to get a franchise QB it's the only way you a chance. I look at a team like the Bills who have immense talent on defense and grat skill position players and their QB play has kept them completely out of the playoffs.

 

[DFWJC]

The OP should help explain to people why trading your soul for a QB in the top 5 can be unimaginably silly.
Taking a player worthy of the 30th pick in the top 5 doesn't make that player a top 5 player talent wise....just because you drafted him there.
Many of those years, there just flat out was not a true franchise QB to be had. And drafting Geno Smith with the 4th pick, for example, wouldn't make him a franchise player.
If team traded 2 1st, 2nds, etc, to get the best QB in a year when the best was not really that great...well, they just set the franchise back for many years.

Yes, if the player is a prospect like Luck --who truly sucked last year, btw--then yes, go for it.

It seemed this year that the two teams trading up force fitted top 15 players into the top 2. It could work out. Time will tell.

 

[yimyammer]

To me it looks like we of should of drafted a QB at 4. 16 of the 32 were first round picks.

The talent justifies the pick but the pick doesn't justify the talent

 

[erod]

To me it looks like we of should of drafted a QB at 4. 16 of the 32 were first round picks.

True, but look at the 200 quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round that busted like grapes.

 

[CWR]

Thats does it, I officially declare the Indianapolis Colts to be the luckiest team ever.

To go from Manning to Luck is the stuff dreams are made of.

 

[Sydla]

It's the hardest position to hit on and it's the most important position on the field. The Cowboys should be throwing assets at QBs in every draft from here on out. Again, if the Cowboys have a chance to take a QB in next year's draft that they think is legit, even if it's in the first round, they should do it.

 

[Sydla]

True, but look at the 200 quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round that busted like grapes.

Look at the 500 QBs that were drafted after the first round that were busts too.

 

[erod]

Look at the 500 QBs that were drafted after the first round that were busts too.

Yep, addressing quarterback is a puzzle in a riddle wrapped in an enigma. That's why these 2-3 years are so critical.

Hopefully, Prescott is the next guy. Or, they find him next year.

 

[Sydla]

Yep, addressing quarterback is a puzzle in a riddle wrapped in an enigma. That's why these 2-3 years are so critical.

Hopefully, Prescott is the next guy. Or, they find him next year.

But fairly simple math shows you that if you want to find your franchise QB, the odds are best taking a QB in the first round.

 

[erod]

But fairly simple math shows you that if you want to find your franchise QB, the odds are best taking a QB in the first round.

Sort of. Some years, the pickings are too slim to be worth it if you have a reasonable QB in place. If you are the Bills or Jets, you should draft one every year until you hit on one because you're just whizzing in the wind until you do.

My concern is that the position in college is in a death spiral, and they're going to be rarer than the Hope Diamond soon.

 

[CyberB0b]

True, but look at the 200 quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round that busted like grapes.

Your chance of getting one is a lot worse if you don't at least try.

 

[Sydla]

Well obviously, you don't take a QB early if you don't think he's worthy of the pick. In this case, for example, it seems like the Cowboys did like Wentz so if he had been there at 4, they'd have been foolish to pass on him if they believed he was worthy of that pick. And next year, let's say they are picking 25th and a QB like Kizer from ND or Mahomes from TT or the Falk kid from WSU is sitting there and they believe all three have franchise QB potential and worthy of that pick, they should take a QB then.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Sort of. Some years, the pickings are too slim to be worth it if you have a reasonable QB in place. If you are the Bills or Jets, you should draft one every year until you hit on one because you're just whizzing in the wind until you do.

My concern is that the position in college is in a death spiral, and they're going to be rarer than the Hope Diamond soon.

All the more reason, to take a chance on as many as you can, via the draft....or wherever really......But these guys come from the draft. And then .............................Coach them! Develop them. Which will take time. I would rather that process begin now rather then later.


If I were owner/GM. I would make it a priority to set up the infrastructure to develop the young QBs...... Get a QB guru in here, coach, coach, coach them up...and give them some time.....Put them on the PS...

is there a limit of how many QBs you can keep on the PS? I would have a QB university department within the organization.

"Cant find a Party, Make one"

 

[tyke1doe]

11 of the starting NFL quarterbacks in the league were drafted 10 or more years ago.

Wow.

Which goes to show you that once you find a franchise quarterback, he usually in the driver's seat for your franchise for a long time unless he's just a knucklehead (see Cutler), refuses to play for your team (see Palmer) or just a bust (Sanchez, Bradford, RGIII).

 

[erod]

Your chance of getting one is a lot worse if you don't at least try.

That is true, but I think in the end we'll be glad fate saved us from Paxton Lynch. I feel much better about investing in a fourth-rounder with ability like Prescott.

If Jaylon Smith returns to health and becomes a stud, and Collins is a solid defensive tackle, we'll be thankful we didn't give those picks away for Lynch unless he becomes a truly elite QB.

 

[erod]

All the more reason, to take a chance on as many as you can, via the draft....or wherever really......But these guys come from the draft. And then .............................Coach them! Develop them. Which will take time. I would rather that process begin now rather then later.


If I were owner/GM. I would make it a priority to set up the infrastructure to develop the young QBs...... Get a QB guru in here, coach, coach, coach them up...and give them some time.....Put them on the PS...

is there a limit of how many QBs you can keep on the PS? I would have a QB university department within the organization.

"Cant find a Party, Make one"

I don't think it's that simple.

You can't coach courage. Certain guys don't lose their nerve, while others do. LOTS of quarterbacks have all the ability in the world, but they simply won't stand in there and take a hit. Jim Everett, Mark Bulger, David Carr, Byron Leftwich, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez.....these guys have the ability, but they don't have the nerve.

Romo has gonads of steel. Weeden and Cassel simply don't. It's not about physical ability or brains as much as it is guts.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I don't think it's that simple.

You can't coach courage. Certain guys don't lose their nerve, while others do. LOTS of quarterbacks have all the ability in the world, but they simply won't stand in there and take a hit. Jim Everett, Mark Bulger, David Carr, Byron Leftwich, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez.....these guys have the ability, but they don't have the nerve.

Romo has gonads of steel. Weeden and Cassel simply don't. It's not about physical ability or brains as much as it is guts.

Yeah, I hear ya. But what I'm saying is go find one, and find out; .... There is no other choice. You have to have a QB. There are maybe a few handful of teams that overcame average QB play and won the SB. But , we will have to build one of the most dominating Defenses in the history of league..... good luck with that.

And the kids haven't changed. Human beings haven't changed. Its the college game that has changed. Its not preparing them for Professional Football..... as you point out....

 

[erod]

Yeah, I hear ya. But what I'm saying is go find one, and find out; .... There is no other choice. You have to have a QB. There are maybe a few handful of teams that overcame average QB play and won the SB. But , we will have to build one of the most dominating Defenses in the history of league..... good luck with that.

And the kids haven't changed. Human beings haven't changed. Its the college game that has changed. Its not preparing them for Professional Football..... as you point out....

Some guys are tremendous in college, and then they get in the pros, and it just freaks them out. The violence goes up exponentially, and the game becomes much more complicated and fast.

I don't think that applies to Prescott. If he can learn the position, I think he has the nerve.