Quarterback futility in the NFL

[JoeBoBBY]

Some guys are tremendous in college, and then they get in the pros, and it just freaks them out. The violence goes up exponentially, and the game becomes much more complicated and fast.

I don't think that applies to Prescott. If he can learn the position, I think he has the nerve.

I don't know much about him...... But I hope their gut instincts about this guy are right....!

I do like what I have read about him.

 

[jterrell]

A couple things here:
1. It is absolutely hard to find a quality long-term starter at QB. There is a reason the QBs went 1-2. This is why so many fans wanted a QB at 4. So regardless of below your main point is 100% accurate.
2. Your data is kinda flaky. By that I mean you are using an opinion driven QB rating... and also including QB's drafted in the past couple seasons who have not had an opportunity to join your own opinion-driven metric category even tho a few seem very likely to: David Carr, Marcus Mariotta and Jameis Winston look the part and have the opportunity.

I fully supported a QB at 4. And I even understand Jerry's we shoulda overpaid for the 3rd best QB in this draft, Lynch comments.

Drafting a guy at 2 and giving him 2 years behind Romo seemed to me like the best way to address the QB situation.
If Romo got hurt you just start development with no pressure. If Romo is healthy you get time to develop them properly and teach them the offense as well as begin to add tweaks to the offense specifically for them.
But those 2 QB were worth top10 picks and so you had to know they'd likely be going 1 and 2.

Even in a dumpster fire season we weren't bad enough to draft an expected franchise QB So developing what you can is key.

 

[jterrell]

Some guys are tremendous in college, and then they get in the pros, and it just freaks them out. The violence goes up exponentially, and the game becomes much more complicated and fast.

I don't think that applies to Prescott. If he can learn the position, I think he has the nerve.

The challenge with Prescott will be two-fold.
1. Does he stay hungry and work like he has this past season now that he has money and a cushy back up spot in the NFL.
2. Can he avoid all off-field drama with a target like Cowboys QB attached to him. His few fairly minor MissSt incidents would be ESPN ticket leading items were he a Cowboy. Few young athletes want to be hermits.

But I do think he is the best raw talent we've had to work with in a while. Hopefully the QB staff is up to the challenge or we get in someone who is.

 

[erod]

The challenge with Prescott will be two-fold.
1. Does he stay hungry and work like he has this past season now that he has money and a cushy back up spot in the NFL.
2. Can he avoid all off-field drama with a target like Cowboys QB attached to him. His few fairly minor MissSt incidents would be ESPN ticket leading items were he a Cowboy. Few young athletes want to be hermits.

But I do think he is the best raw talent we've had to work with in a while. Hopefully the QB staff is up to the challenge or we get in someone who is.

He needs to sponge up everything Romo tells him and live in the film room. Otherwise, he'll be Tony Banks.

 

[erod]

I don't know much about him...... But I hope their gut instincts about this guy are right....!

I do like what I have read about him.

Tremendous leader on the field. Virtually carried Mississippi State in a tough conference and won some big games.

But the pro game is entirely different than the offense he's been running. (Just like Goff and Lynch.)

 

[CyberB0b]

That is true, but I think in the end we'll be glad fate saved us from Paxton Lynch. I feel much better about investing in a fourth-rounder with ability like Prescott.

I agree.

 

[DandyDon52]

I think part of the problem is the OC's and HC's and FO.
If you draft a QB and try to make him fit your system, and your offense, and you call the plays,
and the design of plays, Then many QB's will fail.

I think they need to throw their system out the window, look at the QB and his strength's and weakness's
and design the offense around him.
Then he would have a much better chance.

Take Russell Wilson, I think he would have been a failure under JG in dallas, and on most other teams.
Seattle let him play to his strengths, and it worked out pretty good.

RG 3 did good but had one big flaw, he did not run smart, like wilson , and did not go down or out of bounds,
and once he got hurt it was over.

Some QB's go to teams that are bad and may also have the bad OC, so just get beat up before they ever have
a chance.
Dallas is where a team needs to be to draft a QB, they have a good OL, so can protect the guy,
and a good run game now with elliot, to help a young QB.

I think a team needs those 2 things before drafting a franchise QB.

Many teams get the QB first and then try to build a OL and get other key O players,

I think you need to get the offense built then add the QB.
Also 1 year on the bench might be good, and even play them a little so they can see what it is like,
That is better than just throwing them in full time.

But most OC's are just going to make the QB learn their system which is constructed for a QB
that doesnt exist.

The QB's in the list, are guys that I think often make a silly system work by ad libing .
Tony has done it for years.
Last year we saw 3 other QB's try to run that silly system, and it wasnt pretty.
They were all afraid to adlib, and without the adlib it just doesnt work good enough.

I think even if dallas had got wentz instead of elliot, and romo went down, wentz
would do a little better than the 3 last year, but not much better.
Unless he was as great as tony at adlib

So with QB's drafted into this league, I think the OC's HC's and FO put them at a disadvantage, and expect
them to work miracles.
Also the pro defenses are so much better than defense's in college That is where 1 year to learn but playing
a little too would help a new QB adjust.

But if your OC is not good one, and your offense is crap , bad OL , no run game, no good WR, a QB
will only get beat up and hurt, not much they can do.
brady was a ok QB nothing great, but he was smart, and was basically a good bus driver, with good offense,
good coaches, and good defense.
After that he got better each year, and later could carry the team.

For Dallas fans, I say enjoy the Romo years, because after that it will not be pretty.

 

[Proximo]

What makes it even harder to find a franchise QB these days is that you have so many desperate teams who are willing to trade up and reach for guys, that it makes it difficult to find a gem without overpaying. Or you're just a bad enough team to have a top pick. Either way it sucks. You either pay the price, or you're just fortunate enough to find your guy in later rounds.

And very rarely are any of these prospects the real deal. I would not be surprised at all if Goff, Wentz, and Lynch all end up busts.

I remember when people were crying about how RG3 would be giving us problems for years. Look how that turned out.

Many of these prospects are hot topics pre-draft, and on draft day, then 3 years later the hype is a distant memory and all that's left is some mediocre journeyman who's lucky to even be on a squad.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

What makes it even harder to find a franchise QB these days is that you have so many desperate teams who are willing to trade up and reach for guys, that it makes it difficult to find a gem without overpaying. Or you're just a bad enough team to have a top pick. Either way it sucks. You either pay the price, or you're just fortunate enough to find your guy in later rounds.

And very rarely are any of these prospects the real deal. I would not be surprised at all if Goff, Wentz, and Lynch all end up busts.

I remember when people were crying about how RG3 would be giving us problems for years. Look how that turned out.

Many of these prospects are hot topics pre-draft, and on draft day, then 3 years later the hype is a distant memory and all that's left is some mediocre journeyman who's lucky to even be on a squad.

Brandon Weeden

 

[BigStar]

To me it looks like we of should of drafted a QB at 4. 16 of the 32 were first round picks.

Or higher We had the opp to move up two spots. We didn't. The ammo needed to move back into the top 5 is enormous. We didn't want to give up the picks for 2 slots, yet alone multiple 1sts, 2nds, 3rds, etc. it would take in the future to move up when the next QB will be taken. Of course, we could bomb again and be back to blue chip QB range again; hope not of course bc that means Romo went down.
I'm sure a trade could have been made before STL/PHI got involved but we never broached that prospect even after fawning over Wentz during his pro day/senior bowl (JG). Sour grapes, love Zeke now tbh. JJ wanted both; a flashy BPA prospect and his QB for the future but lost out to DEN. That's why he was so pissed; he saw what happened last year w/out a real QB and knows he missed out on all 3 QBs.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I agree, David Carr of the Texans should be on the OP because he was the first pick of the draft in 2002. If he wasn't thrown into the fire from the beginning, he could have developed into a good QB.

I agree completely. He showed the raw ability, but needed to be developed. It used to be standard that QBs sat behind someone else before becoming a starter. Even Staubach sat behind Morton. Montana sat behind DeBerg. Some have bucked the trend -- Andrew Luck, Ben Rothlisberger, for example. Troy Aikman started in his rookie year, but didn't do very well. Of course, the team wasn't very good. I think teams see the examples of quarterbacks starting as rookies and want results right away. I don't think it's in a team's best interest to be so impatient. That's why I'm hoping Dak Prescott is the heir apparent. He has some time to back up and learn from Romo.

 

[Kaiser]

I think teams see the examples of quarterbacks starting as rookies and want results right away. I don't think it's in a team's best interest to be so impatient. That's why I'm hoping Dak Prescott is the heir apparent. He has some time to back up and learn from Romo.

Aikman is a sure fire HOF but even with that he doesn't get credit for surviving his rookie season. Carr is a good example of being thrown into the deep end and sinking, Aikman did it and swam immediately.

Dak is a huge question mark right now, but he certainly has the physical skills to develop and clearly has the leadership skills to give it a good shot. Fingers crossed he is an above average starter in a couple of years when he finally gets the call.

 

[DFWJC]

Some people here seem to be confusing drafting a QB in the 1st with having to draft one in top 2.

Then they say that's were you'll need to be to get one....the top 2.
Horse crap

8 of the last 10 SB winning QBs were drafted outside the top 4.
The vast Majority of NFL QB starters were not drafted in the top 2

 

[CowboyChris]

Your chance of getting one is a lot worse if you don't at least try.

so true.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

To me it looks like we of should of drafted a QB at 4. 16 of the 32 were first round picks.

Wentz and Dem are dern near football Gods allllredy..eerrryyyday.

 

[Vinnie2u]

True, but look at the 200 quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round that busted like grapes.

Wentz and Dem are dern near football Gods allllredy..eerrryyyday.

yep and Zeus Elliot

 

[LandryFan]

Thats does it, I officially declare the Indianapolis Colts to be the luckiest team ever.

To go from Manning to Luck is the stuff dreams are made of.

Green Bay (Favre to Rogers) might just have something to say about that.

 

[CWR]

Green Bay (Favre to Rogers) might just have something to say about that.

True, but the timing for Indy was just unreal. Have like a decade of strong football and then Manning goes down and you have your first awful season in however long just in time for Luck.

I still remember the year the Packers took Rodgers. I told my buddy we better be sure about this Romo guy cause Rodgers is there for the taking lol. Honestly had Romo not come along and Parcells not put him in for the second half of that game against NY we probably would've drafted Rodgers. Was funny how all the analyst dogged out GB because Rodgers didnt fit a need.

 

[DFWJC]

Evan Grant: Babe, did you not come on this show a couple of weeks ago and talk about Dak Prescott and question the accuracy of his arm.

Babe Laufenberg: No question. That's where it's going to be. It's interesting because the No. 1 characteristic or trait for me at quarterback, there's so many. There's 100 reasons why guys fail at quarterback. There's only like two why they fail at running back, right? There might be three at receiver. But there's 100 reasons or 100 traits that you need that any of which can be a fatal flaw. But the No. 1 thing for me is can you throw it straight? You got to be able to throw it straight. If you can't throw it straight, it doesn't matter. I always like when you hear somebody giving an analysis of a quarterback, be a prospect or pro, he's got size, he's big, he's escapable, it's this, it's that...He just needs to work on his accuracy. That's on the very top of the list.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

True, but the timing for Indy was just unreal. Have like a decade of strong football and then Manning goes down and you have your first awful season in however long just in time for Luck.

I still remember the year the Packers took Rodgers. I told my buddy we better be sure about this Romo guy cause Rodgers is there for the taking lol. Honestly had Romo not come along and Parcells not put him in for the second half of that game against NY we probably would've drafted Rodgers. Was funny how all the analyst dogged out GB because Rodgers didnt fit a need.

I think your timeline is messsed up there . Anyway I agree, Indy had unreal timing. Green Bay did too, but they did have to burn 3 seasons of nothing off of Rodgers career. Indy made the switch and Luck immediately came in and gave them solid QB play on his rookie contract.