News: Quarterback trap

[dckid]

If you don't want your team to win, then I agree with your tactic.

Again we reach this binary discussion. The Ravens let Flacco prove it and they won a SB. The NFL QB isn't a sacred cow.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Weird way to start that dialogue then, but here it goes

Dallas doesn't have the best RB in the league either. Even if he did, it would not help Dak's individual stats.
Dak doesn't have three Olineman who are the best in the league at their respective position. This one you should already know, but you don't somehow.


PPG is a team stat, and Dak plays on a team that plays at the 28th slowest pace in football, had the 28th best starting field position, and on a team that had only one defensive touchdown. What actually matters is a team's yards per drive and points per drive, which the Cowboys came in at 16th and 15th respectively.

25th in redzone scoring- Well duh, and again this is a team stat. Who are the redzone weapons? Who was the signal caller in the redzone who currently has no job? And who was the running back that only averaged 2.69 yards inside the 20, 1.5 yards per carry inside the 10, and .33 yards per carry inside the 5?
Dak has some fault too, but man it's pretty damn silly to use that against one individual.

So Dak was 16th in QBR last year, so that brings his three year average to 7th. Having finished 4th and 3rd in the two years before that. Happy?

Okay now passer rating? His average is 11th. Having the 13th best passer rating when you start the season with Beasley, Hurns, Terrence Williams(rookie replaces him), and Geoff Swaim as your starting receivers then you've done a good job.

Only 9 QBs had more time to throw- this is completely made up and not true. Some don't know how to decipher statistics and this is one of those time.

No player had more fumbles- what you forget to mention is three players tied with him. One of those players didnt start until week 9. And three of those "fumbles" for Dak were when he was on the run in open field dropped the ball and picked it back up in stride. Nobody recovered more fumbles in the NFL than Dak.

He took unnecessary sacks. I'm not going to dispute it. He needs to get better in that aspect.

Dallas doesn't have the best RB in the league?....What in the world do you use for a gauge? He's won the NFL rushing title 2 out of the last 3 years and would likely have won it 3 straight years if not for that bogus 6 game suspension that Mara and Goodell dreamed up..........are you sure you're on the right board?....You have some mind boggling posts at times.

 

[TwoDeep3]

A thread discussing Dak's value. Hmm, hadn't thought of that.

There is ALWAYS someone that makes this remark in Dak threads.

Yet, like this one at this moment, they go 11 pages or more.

Doesn't that contradict your point? Because someone wants to discuss this and not start this point on page 12 when no one will see it.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Dallas doesn't have the best RB in the league?....What in the world do you use for a gauge? He's won the NFL rushing title 2 out of the last 3 years and would likely have won it 3 straight years if not for that bogus 6 game suspension that Mara and Goodell dreamed up..........are you sure you're on the right board?....You have some mind boggling posts at times.

Hey Ron, look at the bright side. My "mind boggling" posts are better than your best posts!


If you think that having the most rushing yards, while having the most rush attempts makes you the best at your position then I'm not going to stop you!

 

[InTheZone]

Hey Ron, look at the bright side. My "mind boggling" posts are better than your best posts!


If you think that having the most rushing yards, while having the most rush attempts makes you the best at your position then I'm not going to stop you!

just curious. Even if you believe Zeke isn't the best, he faces a very large amount of stacked boxes also considering the amount of touches he has, and you don't think that allows the pass game to open up a little? Having Zeke is definitely an advantage for Dak and his "stats and wins". Dak having top 10 time to throw every year, surely some of that has to do with the OL and the other due to having Zeke, so in itself should allow Dak to shine. Is this the shine we're going to see or will there be improvement one of these years?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Again we reach this binary discussion. The Ravens let Flacco prove it and they won a SB. The NFL QB isn't a sacred cow.

Again, this is about putting your team in the best possible situation to win.

The Ravens really wish they would have extended him before their Super Bowl, so this helps my point.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

just curious. Even if you believe Zeke isn't the best, he faces a very large amount of stacked boxes also considering the amount of touches he has, and you don't think that allows the pass game to open up a little? Having Zeke is definitely an advantage for Dak and his "stats and wins".

He faces loaded boxes on a league average % of rushes, and since Zeke plays such a high % of our snaps that means that Dak faces a league average amount of loaded boxes. So no he doesnt open up the passing game, which isnt my opinion it's strictly fact based on stats.

And in no way can you claim that "having Zeke is definitely an advantage for Dak and his stats".

 

[InTheZone]

Again, this is about putting your team in the best possible situation to win.

The Ravens really wish they would have extended him before their Super Bowl, so this helps my point.

to be fair Flacco is the reason why the Ravens don't have more Super Bowls (looking at his first few years). Should the Ravens have played anyone else in the playoffs in the time he stunk it up? Who knows, but we do know they missed out on more. Similar argument I made about Wentz vs Foles and Romo in 2016.

 

[InTheZone]

He faces loaded boxes on a league average % of rushes, and since Zeke plays such a high % of our snaps that means that Dak faces a league average amount of loaded boxes. So no he doesnt open up the passing game, which isnt my opinion it's strictly fact based on stats.

So when teams basically dare us to win by passing because they focus on Zeke that's not similar to the case I'm presenting?

 

[glimmerman]

Dallas Cowboys #1...

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

So when teams basically dare us to win by passing because they focus on Zeke that's not similar to the case I'm presenting?

Teams don't dare us to win by passing, or at least at any level above league average. Which is what I've laid out for you.

No the case you're presenting is that Zeke opens up the pass, when in actuality we face an average amount of loaded boxes.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

just curious. Even if you believe Zeke isn't the best, he faces a very large amount of stacked boxes also considering the amount of touches he has, and you don't think that allows the pass game to open up a little? Having Zeke is definitely an advantage for Dak and his "stats and wins". Dak having top 10 time to throw every year, surely some of that has to do with the OL and the other due to having Zeke, so in itself should allow Dak to shine. Is this the shine we're going to see or will there be improvement one of these years?

I already told you you were wrong about the time to throw measurement in the long post you begged me to refute.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dallas doesn't have the best RB in the league?....What in the world do you use for a gauge? He's won the NFL rushing title 2 out of the last 3 years and would likely have won it 3 straight years if not for that bogus 6 game suspension that Mara and Goodell dreamed up..........are you sure you're on the right board?....You have some mind boggling posts at times.

RB's do more then run the ball these days. Give any decent back 390 carries and he probably leads the league in rushing.

7 TD's are you impressed?

Barkley certainly is better than Zeke. And why didn't he play in 6 games in 2017? The idiot got suspended. And it looks like it wont be long before Richard Simmons gets suspended again.

 

[Philmonroe]

Brees: Michael Thomas: MId 2nd round pick
Wilson: Tyler Lockett: Mid 3rd round pick
Rodgers: Devante Adams: Late 2nd round pick
Ryan: Julio Jones: Top pick

Of your examples it appears that Brees, Wilson and Rodgers are actually elevating the players around them. Ryan has had top offensive tools since day 1. Thought experiment over the last 3 years if Dak and Ryan switched spots Ryan probably would have played as well or better than Dak. I very much doubt the opposite is true.

Dak needs 1st rounders and/or hall of fame talent at every position on offense before he can produce. And if he doesn't he gets a pass. This is not hyperbole.

If his hall of famer LT is out? He gets a pass.
If his all pro center is lost? He gets a pass.
If his all pro RB is suspended? He gets a pass.
If he doesn't have a top of the 1st round WR? He gets a pass.
And if everyone is in but he plays poorly...its the coaches? He gets a pass.

This is your king?

He gets a pass because he is “nice” and people like him. One time before I annoyed Dak pressgoat he even stated as much. That isn’t good enough for athletes. I can see that mentality in actual people you know but athletes you will never know in most cases hell no. Sounds like guys excusing a girl they like behavior because they want to get with her.

 

[Philmonroe]

Oh a "Dak isn't that great and isn't worth 30m" a year thread...man wish I had thought of that.

Wish you would’ve thought of not replying in a thread that gets you triggered.

 

[Silly]

If Jerry is going to tie up most of the cap into 5 players I hope it works out for him. I'll just start watching another team if it doesn't.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Wish you would’ve thought of not replying in a thread that gets you triggered.

He gets a pass because he is “nice” and people like him. One time before I annoyed Dak pressgoat he even stated as much. That isn’t good enough for athletes. I can see that mentality in actual people you know but athletes you will never know in most cases hell no. Sounds like guys excusing a girl they like behavior because they want to get with her.

You look like the one that is triggered

 

[Philmonroe]

You look like the one that is triggered

Never but online people come with all types of stupidity that doesn’t make sense because they disagree. Take that emotional silliness elsewhere. Nothing I posted is triggered at all I’m speaking on 100% facts for some of y’all. I’m sure you’re another one that is a Dak lover because he’s a good guy

 

[Corso]

If Jerry is going to tie up most of the cap into 5 players I hope it works out for him. I'll just start watching another team if it doesn't.

I suggest the Dolphins!

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Never but online people come with all types of stupidity that doesn’t make sense because they disagree. Take that emotional silliness elsewhere. Nothing I posted is triggered at all I’m speaking on 100% facts for some of y’all. I’m sure you’re another one that is a Dak lover because he’s a good guy

No, you're really not lmao. You haven't said one "100% facts". In fact the exact opposite. You said Dak gets a pass because he's a nice guy- 1) he gets a pass by who LMMAOOOO he's all the media and fans talk about both positively and negatively. There is zero pass, that's so stupid lol. 2) No one cares if you're a nice guy. They only care if you can play. Tebow was probably one of the nicest QBs you'll ever meet while Brady and Rodgers are ***holes. No one cares. You are spitting 100% non-facts though!

But your triggeredness sure is showing. It's just a forum dude, no need to get so butthurt.