Question for Hostile (& anyone else in the know) about the Roy Willy Trade

[67CowboysFan]

This is what most definitely surprises me the most.

In theory, he's a perfect compliment to Austin. Long possession receiver, usually with good hands, good leaping ability. Able to make plays while the ball is in the air. Not a burner, but can get behind you with the long stride.

Maybe the spotlight of Dallas is a bit much for him? I dont know, the guy has talent, but he's playing with zero confidence right now, and I hope he regains it.

You are probably right on that assessment. I'm sure the level of play when you are a Cowboy is a lot more intense than that of the Lions. You can see it his face sometimes. I think it's just a matter of time and he will get used to it and we will be glad he is on our team.

 

[Idgit]

I don't see the point in worrying about picks we already gave up for Roy Williams. We have the WR we wanted at the time we traded for Roy on the roster. In Ogletree, we might have picked up another starting player off the streets. We've got what looks to be a full-time starter at one of the OT positions through developing a 4th rounder, and a high-potential OL coming back of off IR for next season. With a full complement of picks, there's no reason we can't recover from giving up an unnecessary 1st for RW last year.

Honestly, I think the team we've got is easily good enough to win it all. It took some time for the new players to gel this year, but had we squeaked out the Denver or one of the NY games, we'd have had home field against MIN and could conceivably still be playing right now. On any given year, there are usually more than two teams capable of getting to the big game, and I think we're fortunate to be in the select group. Smart drafting for depth and a couple of shrewd upgrades to the starting roster and we're in very good shape.

As for RW, I don't really care what happens on the WR front from here on out. I'm just happy we hit on Austin which makes putting complementary players in place so much easier. For Roy's sake, I hope he and Tony end up figuring it out. It's always good to see a lifelong Cowboy fan deliver for his favorite team. As far as the trade goes, it's a whole lot of bellyaching for what amounts to, what, the points-equivalent of a top 15 pick? At least we're getting red zone TDs out of the guy. Again, he hasn't met high expectations, but it's not like he was completely unproductive for us this season.

 

[silverbear]

Question for Hostile: Why does Roy W. suck so much that lining up 10 people would be beneficial over putting him on the field?

Question to Romo 2 Austin:

Why do you have to crap up thread after thread with this ignorant garbage??

 

[JustDezIt]

Question to Romo 2 Austin:

Why do you have to crap up thread after thread with this ignorant garbage??

Because hes 16.

 

[kristie]

i have a question:


how will the emergence of miles austion affect roy williams in terms of him trying to build that connection to tony romo?


i'm only asking because romo to austin sounds like IMO a potent QB/WR combo for years to come.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

maybe I misread the OPs intent...but my question has always been, did our pro scouts give the thumbs up. did coaches from the lions and/or other teams give the thumbs up? Was Jerry strictly working off of college highlights and the scouting report the cowboys had of him coming out of college. Because he was injured and overweight when we got him....basically admited he never lifted weights much, also, you do not become a lazy route runner overnight. So this is why I DOUBT Jerry worked with ANYONE RELIABLE on this trade.

 

[silverbear]

Because hes 16.

Man, even when I was 16, I didn't act like he has been since joining us... and we have a number of other rather young members who haven't acted like that, either...

 

[BubbleScreen]

Hostile:

Is Roy the kind of guy who would be willing to accept a reduced salary (so that Miles can get paid) in order to stay and keep working things out?

I don't know what Roy and Romo can do that they haven't done already. I thought things were coming around in the first Eagles game (5 for 75 and a TD). Maybe if the team ever gets a big, early lead, they can just force feed him the ball till he gets his confidence established.

 

[Four]

I watched some Roy highlights yesterday because they were replaying the 2007 probowl skills competition on NFLN.

Dude can ball. We don't have a receiver on the roster right now that compares to Roy if he is on his game.

I don't know what the issue is with tony and him, but they need to get over before next season. What a wasted weapon that guy is.

and he was every bit as fast as Carolina's steve smith in the skills contest. The guy is ridiculously talented.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

Completely unrelated, but does anyone know for how long we have Brooking locked up?

I can't see it being very expensive to let him finish his career here...
I'd like to see how his leadership would translate over the years.

 

[Hostile]

Completely unrelated, but does anyone know for how long we have Brooking locked up?

I can't see it being very expensive to let him finish his career here...
I'd like to see how his leadership would translate over the years.

His deal was 3 years, 6 million.

 

[Hostile]

Really good thread!!!

To add to the question:

I remember that off season that there were a couple WR's on the "trade block". Larry was re-working his contract and it seem like he might be traded to the Eagles and Boldin was also looking for a trade because of his contract. I think Torry Holts name was thrown around also along with Roy.

My question is, did the cowboys ever consider any other receiver to trade for or was it Roy or no one?

The only answer I have is that Boldin is still a Cardinal. So maybe he was never really on the block. You have to think that is part of it since another year and a half have passed with him not moving.

There was no way Holt was in the picture. We already had one WR in his 30's. The idea was to get younger.

 

[Hostile]

Hostile:

Is Roy the kind of guy who would be willing to accept a reduced salary (so that Miles can get paid) in order to stay and keep working things out?

I don't know what Roy and Romo can do that they haven't done already. I thought things were coming around in the first Eagles game (5 for 75 and a TD). Maybe if the team ever gets a big, early lead, they can just force feed him the ball till he gets his confidence established.

If it was towards the end of his deal and it would keep him in Dallas I think he probably would. Don't see the need to ask it of him at this point.

I think it is vital to this team that Tony and Roy figure out what is wrong. If they do, look out. Anyone who says the guy is not talented is blind. He clearly is. Tony doesn't look for him sometimes. I don't know why. It is probably not a conscious thought.

I really don't see the trade as the end of the world that some people do. Or even a continuation of Joey Galloway errors. I do think Jerry paid too much. Always have. But why cry over spilled milk? I didn't when we got Joey and I won't now.

No guts, no glory. If he simply does not work out, move on. I have no issue with that. Right now I'd say he provided 7 TDs and that isn't bad. In our Super Bowl years Harper did that. People are too hung up on the contract or the trade. I'm concerned about the chemistry.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

sweet thanks.

 

[Big Dakota]

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I think it is vital to this team that Tony and Roy figure out what is wrong. If they do, look out. Anyone who says the guy is not talented is blind. He clearly is. Tony doesn't look for him sometimes. I don't know why. It is probably not a conscious thought.

I honestly wonder if the onus isn't on Garrett to implement more plays that are better suited to Roy's skills and build from there once Roy and Tony show a good level of comfort. Maybe it is just me, but I didn't see enough post patterns from Roy this year, at least where he was the primary target. That was one of his specialties in Detroit. He is also very good at the out route where he can focus on getting his hands on the ball and his feet in bounds. I can't say for certain if Roy will bounce back, but it certainly did look like it got in his head at a certain point in the year and he dropped some balls that he probably wouldn't have if he were still in Detroit.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I watched some Roy highlights yesterday because they were replaying the 2007 probowl skills competition on NFLN.

Dude can ball. We don't have a receiver on the roster right now that compares to Roy if he is on his game.

I don't know what the issue is with tony and him, but they need to get over before next season. What a wasted weapon that guy is.

and he was every bit as fast as Carolina's steve smith in the skills contest. The guy is ridiculously talented.

A whole lotta truth right there.

Let's hope the light comes on this off season.

 

[Biggems]

Question for Hostile: Why does Roy W. suck so much that lining up 10 people would be beneficial over putting him on the field?

The guy had 7 TDs, caught several passes, had about 400+ yds, and was one helluva blocker downfield. Sure he is making a lot of money for the stats he provided.....but let's say Austin and Roy switched their stats....Roy would be living up to his contract and Austin would be a solid contributor on a cheap contract. IMO, the money spent on both WRs combined meets the kind of production I can live with....even if it was opposite of what we were hoping.

I see Roy busting his hump this offseason to maximize his chemistry and efficiency in this offense. If Roy can simply double his receptions and yards next season, while keeping his TDs about 7-10, our passing offense should be super scary.

 

[Iago33]

I watched some Roy highlights yesterday because they were replaying the 2007 probowl skills competition on NFLN.

Dude can ball. We don't have a receiver on the roster right now that compares to Roy if he is on his game.

I don't know what the issue is with tony and him, but they need to get over before next season. What a wasted weapon that guy is.

and he was every bit as fast as Carolina's steve smith in the skills contest. The guy is ridiculously talented.

Honest question: What skills did he do where he was as fast as Steve Smith? What are his strengths? I didn't watch him in college or Detroit, so he was an unknown.

 

[odog422]

I don't see the point in worrying about picks we already gave up for Roy Williams. We have the WR we wanted at the time we traded for Roy on the roster. In Ogletree, we might have picked up another starting player off the streets. We've got what looks to be a full-time starter at one of the OT positions through developing a 4th rounder, and a high-potential OL coming back of off IR for next season. With a full complement of picks, there's no reason we can't recover from giving up an unnecessary 1st for RW last year.

Honestly, I think the team we've got is easily good enough to win it all. It took some time for the new players to gel this year, but had we squeaked out the Denver or one of the NY games, we'd have had home field against MIN and could conceivably still be playing right now. On any given year, there are usually more than two teams capable of getting to the big game, and I think we're fortunate to be in the select group. Smart drafting for depth and a couple of shrewd upgrades to the starting roster and we're in very good shape.

As for RW, I don't really care what happens on the WR front from here on out. I'm just happy we hit on Austin which makes putting complementary players in place so much easier. For Roy's sake, I hope he and Tony end up figuring it out. It's always good to see a lifelong Cowboy fan deliver for his favorite team. As far as the trade goes, it's a whole lot of bellyaching for what amounts to, what, the points-equivalent of a top 15 pick? At least we're getting red zone TDs out of the guy. Again, he hasn't met high expectations, but it's not like he was completely unproductive for us this season.

Bravo. Very good post. I, too, really don't see the need or even the reason to speculate on what might have been. There is no guarantee that we would have even picked Oher or anybody else that somebody thinks we "could've" gotten. What's done is done - deal in the here and now.

I'm with you - some key questions have been answered at OT and WR with the emergence of Free and Austin and overall this team is in good shape.