Question for the pro-Dak fans on here?

[Chasing6]

For Aikman’s and Dak’s first 7 playoff starts:

7-0, 2 SBs, and 1 SB MVP > 2-5

Those are not Troy's stats. Those are team stats. Figure it out already.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Dak is a good qb but if the front office isn’t going to improve the roster it isn’t reasonable to expect the team to have better results. Re-signing Dak and Ceedee should have been step 1 of an effective offseason but instead it was the whole offseason.

 

[RonWashington]

The end zone INT was bad the over throw INT over the middle was .

One thing any coach will tell you when you’re playing a top talent team you CANNOT turn the ball over .

The Cowboys went up 3-0 the D gets steamrolled now your down 7-3 but your offense goes Red Zone and again is going to put points up , the go ahead TD seemingly then that end zone INT to CD . That psss was as bad as the end zone INT to CD in Pittsburgh.

Note to OC MM . In red zone tight coverage 88 can your QB dial up an alternative target ? Once in awhile ?

 

[Legend]

Those are not Troy's stats. Those are team stats. Figure it out already.

I beg to differ

 

[Chasing6]

Dak is a good qb but if the front office isn’t going to improve the roster it isn’t reasonable to expect the team to have better results. Re-signing Dak and Ceedee should have been step 1 of an effective offseason but instead it was the whole offseason.

Let's see if they learned anything and see what they do with Micah. Will they wait until 2 weeks before the season starts?

They meaning Jerry the Owner and GM Jethro of course.

 

[JoeKing]

Serious Question



Why is Dak always absolved of any blame when it comes to his poor play. After every INT, its either the receiver ran the wrong route or didnt do enough to break the pass up (see both ints when targeting ceedee in the endzone). After every fumble in the pocket (Sacks are a qb stat). And the most frequent excuse is scheme and lack of weapons. Was this not the same scheme when he was 2nd in mvp voting last season?







Cowboys twitter is filled with posts like this one. This is now the third offense where Dak fans have casted blame on the scheme.

The last question I pose is, what supposed top-5 QB have you seen constantly given these excuses for poor play? If he is as good as yall say, shouldnt his talent be able to overcome a “bad scheme”?

I noticed you weren't complaining about Dak the week he threw the winning TD to beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh. But a week later you are a prisoner of the moment after a loss. We have a defense that is piecemealed together by non-starters but somehow that's Dak's fault.

 

[JoeKing]

Maybe you arent familiar with my posts on this board.

I have threads trashing the front office. Threads trashing Mike Zimmer. Threads trashing McCarthy.

My Dak posts/threads obviously are the only ones you focus on because you too are one of the fans that make excuses for him. Like moth to a flame

You have posts thrashing everything... puppy dogs, bacon, and the smell of rain. I concede your point, you are a well-established hater of everything.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

blah blah blah

What is your point?

"I didn't say that".

 

[KingCorcoran]

what's your point about being highest paid? I don't get your point.
btw, you know next year he won't be the highest paid.....

He might be. Prescott could be the poster child for “You can pay too much for a quarterback”. If Sam Darnold gets the Vikings into the NFCCG there is going to be a hell of a wait a minute moment in a lot of NFL front offices. $60 million per year, $231 million guaranteed may be “a bridge too far”.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He might be. Prescott could be the poster child for “You can pay too much for a quarterback”. If Sam Darnold gets the Vikings into the NFCCG there is going to be a hell of a wait a minute moment in a lot of NFL front offices. $60 million per year, $231 million guaranteed may be “a bridge too far”.

every year, without fail some crappy QB plays out of his mind and everyone uses them as an example for getting a QB. where prior years Darnold was nothing but Crap as he couldn't even beat out Purdy...and has been dumped multiple times....now he is your poster boy....same was said about Geno smith who has come crashing down to earth.


and what you described is the NFL market, specifically the NFL QB market for the top 10-12 QBs who are evaluated as being that by the various teams and the market. 4 years ago, people clamoured about 40M per year. it was the market then. soon, he was 12th highest paid...and so shall this become middle of the pack average in 2,3 years. the market is what the market is....you may pay $3M for a 3 bedroom 1500 sq ft 1955 house in Washington DC, however a big 5000 square foot house in suburb of Conroe Texas for only 600K....... its the market.....it is what it is....

but fans associate market pay, with expected play. if you are highest paid, then you must play as the best..... so if salary drops to 12th in the league do you expect the 12th best play!!!? probably not.

and what if his contract was 50M or 45M? what would expectations be then?

its a big challenge for the fans to separate market price from actual players. the number of QBs who can play in the league are limited, thus the QB market.

secondly, everything that ails the cowboys is not just Dak, this team is total crap across the board. its using a nissan 350Z piston, with a honda engine and shaft from toyota corolla and tires of VW bug....none of it works together, despite the beautiful paint and racing stripes!!!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

It's like you can ONLY criticize Dak to get the approval from the Anti-Dak guys. To a person, I think we're almost at a 100% hit rate on folks saying Dak is playing bad. But, to them, that isn't enough.

Look... I see you fighting with people about stuff THEY never said and here YOU go doing it yourself,

You know good and well....in DAK threads...people wonder why others criticize dak and even bring up legends like Troy....and YELL at other people for dare criticizing dak when it's wrong routes, defense, MM. Jerry and Troy SUCKED TOOOOOO!

Telling them to "find a different team". How insulting and disrespectful and immature and INSANE/

You know this. I am not sure what your other user names are if you have them but I know you know.

Look...just because you see someone criticizing Dak doesn't mean they don;t or have never criticized other parts of the team. That is an ASSumption and patently FALSE on your part.

If I may borrow your phrase, we are almost (not almost...fully 100%!) saying most of this is JERRY.

Not Dak.

You know this...but you are playing games.

You also FULLY know QB's get the glory and the blame. Second only to coach (sometimes...sometimes the coach survives and QB canned) Being the top paid on the team and in the entire NFL can have that effect.

 

[Chasing6]

He might be. Prescott could be the poster child for “You can pay too much for a quarterback”. If Sam Darnold gets the Vikings into the NFCCG there is going to be a hell of a wait a minute moment in a lot of NFL front offices. $60 million per year, $231 million guaranteed may be “a bridge too far”.

What about Mr. Irrelevant??? Why does everyone seem to forget about him.

Are GM's really that lazy that are just looking for a once in a decade QB to make them look good???

How about you just build a legit balanced team and you will not need a Hero to play QB.

 

[Wangchung83]

I noticed you weren't complaining about Dak the week he threw the winning TD to beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh. But a week later you are a prisoner of the moment after a loss. We have a defense that is piecemealed together by non-starters but somehow that's Dak's fault.

Oh I’m complaining about the Steelers game as well. Only reason he had a shot at winning is bc that same defense kept them in the game. Dan sucked the majority of that game. The only reason he needed to have a game winning drive was due to his own errors in that game. Also it’s not like he scored or didn’t anything any other QB couldn’t. There were no tight windows, two long plays from RB, te, and full back. Those guys are the ones that made that winning drive and dunk and dunk nfl qb could make.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Those are not Troy's stats. Those are team stats. Figure it out already.

Oh when someone gives YOU a stat you get Pissed!

As if YOU have never posted a dak win loss stat.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Dak is a good qb but if the front office isn’t going to improve the roster it isn’t reasonable to expect the team to have better results. Re-signing Dak and Ceedee should have been step 1 of an effective offseason but instead it was the whole offseason.

Define "good"/
Here is where you cherry pick stats.

If Dak is "good"...lets start with 2024 home stats. Let's start with playoff stats.

Your turn to criticize me for cherry pick stats.... cite game stats that suite YOUR agenda, right?

I suppose we disagree on the stats the "prove" he is "good".

That is fine we just have to define that. And be civilized about it,

 

[Chasing6]

Oh when someone gives YOU a stat you get Pissed!

As if YOU have never posted a dak win loss stat.

I don't believe in QB win stats.

 

[KingCorcoran]

every year, without fail some crappy QB plays out of his mind and everyone uses them as an example for getting a QB. where prior years Darnold was nothing but Crap as he couldn't even beat out Purdy...and has been dumped multiple times....now he is your poster boy....same was said about Geno smith who has come crashing down to earth.


and what you described is the NFL market, specifically the NFL QB market for the top 10-12 QBs who are evaluated as being that by the various teams and the market. 4 years ago, people clamoured about 40M per year. it was the market then. soon, he was 12th highest paid...and so shall this become middle of the pack average in 2,3 years. the market is what the market is....you may pay $3M for a 3 bedroom 1500 sq ft 1955 house in Washington DC, however a big 5000 square foot house in suburb of Conroe Texas for only 600K....... its the market.....it is what it is....

but fans associate market pay, with expected play. if you are highest paid, then you must play as the best..... so if salary drops to 12th in the league do you expect the 12th best play!!!? probably not.

and what if his contract was 50M or 45M? what would expectations be then?

its a big challenge for the fans to separate market price from actual players. the number of QBs who can play in the league are limited, thus the QB market.

secondly, everything that ails the cowboys is not just Dak, this team is total crap across the board. its using a nissan 350Z piston, with a honda engine and shaft from toyota corolla and tires of VW bug....none of it works together, despite the beautiful paint and racing stripes!!!

The salary cap incentivizes teams to find the most effective way to spend on player compensation. It is reasonable to expect teams to try to find a better balance than as much as $60 million per season on one player. If other teams find success without a $50+ million QB, it is, after all, a “copy cat” league. Darnold is the ultimate cast off. Now a team has found a way to utilize his limited talents to unexpected success. Minnesota has Detroit at home this weekend. Let’s see how the cast off does against them. It is safe to say Darnold is never going to be paid anywhere near $60 million per season.

 

[HungryLion]

I don’t know if I’m still considered a Dak fan or not. Since I wanted the cowboys to let his contract expire and to move on.

I try not to do it. I would occasionally get defensive because at times there can be unrealistic criticisms of the QB. It just Dak but in the NFL in general.

But I do think there’s a degree of tribalism on this board.


The “haters” vs the “homers”.

The “Dak stans” vs the “Dak haters”


Honestly, fans turning on each other is made worse by the lack of team success for 30 years now.

Like a lot of players and coaches say. Winning cures all ills.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Define "good"/
Here is where you cherry pick stats.

If Dak is "good"...lets start with 2024 home stats. Let's start with playoff stats.

Your turn to criticize me for cherry pick stats.... cite game stats that suite YOUR agenda, right?

I suppose we disagree on the stats the "prove" he is "good".

That is fine we just have to define that. And be civilized about it,

He was 2nd in MVP voting last season. I define that as good.

 

[jaythecowboy]

The salary cap incentivizes teams to find the most effective way to spend on player compensation. It is reasonable to expect teams to try to find a better balance than as much as $60 million per season on one player. If other teams find success without a $50+ million QB, it is, after all, a “copy cat” league. Darnold is the ultimate cast off. Now a team has found a way to utilize his limited talents to unexpected success. Minnesota has Detroit at home this weekend. Let’s see how the cast off does against them. It is safe to say Darnold is never going to be paid anywhere near $60 million per season.

If Darold has a great season someone would definitely pay him $45+ million. People are already talking about them moving Mccarthy and paying Darold.