Question for the pro-Dak fans on here?

[Chasing6]

I don’t know if I’m still considered a Dak fan or not. Since I wanted the cowboys to let his contract expire and to move on.

I try not to do it. I would occasionally get defensive because at times there can be unrealistic criticisms of the QB. It just Dak but in the NFL in general.

But I do think there’s a degree of tribalism on this board.


The “haters” vs the “homers”.

The “Dak stans” vs the “Dak haters”


Honestly, fans turning on each other is made worse by the lack of team success for 30 years now.

Like a lot of players and coaches say. Winning cures all ills.

For me it has nothing to do with Dak or Tony or the next QB for that matter. The QB always gets too much credit and/or too much criticism period.

 

[WillieBeamen]

I beg to differ

Imagine going to bat for this guy

 

[acr731]

I think you meant to say what Team won more SB's in the 90's.

Why are you pissing on Aikman so much?

 

[Dorsett33]

Serious Question



Why is Dak always absolved of any blame when it comes to his poor play. After every INT, its either the receiver ran the wrong route or didnt do enough to break the pass up (see both ints when targeting ceedee in the endzone). After every fumble in the pocket (Sacks are a qb stat). And the most frequent excuse is scheme and lack of weapons. Was this not the same scheme when he was 2nd in mvp voting last season?







Cowboys twitter is filled with posts like this one. This is now the third offense where Dak fans have casted blame on the scheme.

The last question I pose is, what supposed top-5 QB have you seen constantly given these excuses for poor play? If he is as good as yall say, shouldnt his talent be able to overcome a “bad scheme”?

Dak is definitely partly the blame cause it's a team thing. If you think this defense has played good....you're only watching Dak. The problem I see, is Dak is asked to do too much. You have one WR, no running game, o-line is not good, defense has taken a step back, playcalling has been questionable. And an owner that see players play against the wind and thinks they are the answer. Dak is never absolved from any blame. HE threw some bad picks. Absolutely. But, Dak is not the ONLY blame. This entire team is bad right now. You wouldn't find ONE QB that can come in here and do better right now.

 

[CowboysFever1973]

Serious Question



Why is Dak always absolved of any blame when it comes to his poor play. After every INT, its either the receiver ran the wrong route or didnt do enough to break the pass up (see both ints when targeting ceedee in the endzone). After every fumble in the pocket (Sacks are a qb stat). And the most frequent excuse is scheme and lack of weapons. Was this not the same scheme when he was 2nd in mvp voting last season?







Cowboys twitter is filled with posts like this one. This is now the third offense where Dak fans have casted blame on the scheme.

The last question I pose is, what supposed top-5 QB have you seen constantly given these excuses for poor play? If he is as good as yall say, shouldnt his talent be able to overcome a “bad scheme”?

Just wanted to come here and say you’re one of the better posters on this site!! Keep it up!!! Yeehaw!

 

[cowboys1981]

Compare Troy's numbers to his era. They are not good.

So your entire argument is solely based on numbers? Did you actually watch Troy play?

I'm sorry, but anyone who uses logic and rationale wouldn't dare compare a Legend to Dak.

Troy was a Super Bowl MVP. Give me Daks Super Bowl stats.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Is that a Romo excuse? And I have watched the 'Boys.

It's a fact. We had the worst line in Cowboys history, under Romo. Are you disputing that?

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

When a QB has to carry a team, the team sucks.

Usually, it is said for a single game, not a season. So it can be when the rest of the team is having an off day, the quarterback is basically the reason they win a game they would've lost otherwise. So it doesn't always mean the team sucks.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Stating factual statistics is hate.

Statistics can be out of context or not tell the whole story.

 

[gtdRR]

There is no bigger issue on this team than our QB. You literally say it yourself. Dak isn't Elite. No team is winning without an Elite QB. End of story. Signing a non-elite QB to the most expensive deal in history is the single worst decision Jerry has made since firing Jimmy.

Now we all know that the GM is responsible for that decision. Jerry isn't going away. His son isn't going away. But the fate of every franchise begins and ends with their QB, and frankly, our guy can't cut it.

Wrong. I'm sorry but Matthew Stafford, Nick Foles, Broncos Payton Manning, Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco, and Eli Manning are not elite. All are super bowl winning QBs in the past 15 years. The fate of our franchise is written already because of Jerry and his son, end of story.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Wrong. I'm sorry but Matthew Stafford, Nick Foles, Broncos Payton Manning, Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco, and Eli Manning are not elite. All are super bowl winning QBs in the past 15 years. The fate of our franchise is written already because of Jerry and his son, end of story.

Well I think you could get to a super bowl in the past with Dak if you built the right team around him. That is if the Salary Cap situation is right, his age and ability at that age, and who you have surrounding him at that time. I think the window of getting to a super bowl with Dak is long gone. He is taking up too much of the cap. He is not in his prime. Just look at Dak under pressure, he doesn't have the instincts he had in 2016 to avoid a sack. He doesn't have the mobility anymore to run and make the other team pay. He holds onto the ball for to long. He takes the sack. Can we rebuild the line fast enough, while he ages and declines every year and rebuild the defense and running games at the same time constrained by his contract? Some on here says, Jerry just has to wave his magic wand and do some shifting and we have plenty of capital to pay players, just because the cowboys and other teams tend to do to some extend every year, but you can only do it to a limited extent and it still will effect the quality of players you try to surround him with. Then they'll ***** about him not having receievers, running game, OL, defense, etc...

 

[MikeT22]

Again, please show me where someone has given Dak a full pass on his bad play...I don't recall seeing almost anyone saying Dak isn't sucking right now. He is. But, this notion that everything falls on him is also quite laughable. In fact, I could make a counter argument that you and the rest of the Anti-Dak crew give nothing but excuses for everyone on this team NOT named Dak.

I dont recall almost anyone saying the defense hasnt sucked, that the run game hasnt sucked, that Jerry doesnt suck. I dont see almost anyone solely blaming Dak.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I dont recall almost anyone saying the defense hasnt sucked, that the run game hasnt sucked, that Jerry doesnt suck. I dont see almost anyone solely blaming Dak.

I think the point is, that some of us don't think we can fix the defense, running game, offensive line, under the constraints of Daks contract. We actually agree with the pro-dak crowd that Dak needs all of those things to succeed, but we don't think we can get those perfect conditions under the constraints of his contract.

 

[MikeT22]

I think the point is, that some of us don't think we can fix the defense, running game, offensive line, under the constraints of Daks contract. We actually agree with the pro-dak crowd that Dak needs all of those things to succeed, but we don't think we can get those perfect conditions under the constraints of his contract.

I agree. Im just saying no one is solely blaming Dak for these losses. Going forward though, his contract will be a liability trying to improve other areas.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I agree. Im just saying no one is solely blaming Dak for these losses. Going forward though, his contract will be a liability trying to improve other areas.

yup I was agreeing with you and adding a little more to explain how some of us are feeling, from what seems from our perspective someone getting a bad contract and what is playing out is the team is not benefiting from it. We just suffered one of the worst defeats in Cowboys history, and yes the defense and running game and OL all sucked. But instead of being the savior and someone who was worth all that money, the QB is part of the problem and we won't be able to fix the other problems because of the bad contract involving him. So it doesn't matter having people saying, oh geez, you guys are neglecting all the other problems and just blaming the quarterback, because the contract involving him will make those problems get worse. I mean we could be wrong, but right now it doesn't seem to be playing out that way. The question to Dak Fans, what if after this season we have a horrible record and don't get into the playoffs, was the contract worth it?

 

[jaythecowboy]

Blaming Dak’s contract makes no sense at all. His large cap hit hasnt even really hit yet. He never even had a cap hit of $40 million till this season and the new extension freed up cap space. The front office refuses to use it. When was the last big free agent the Cowboys signed? It was before Dak was even a rookie.

 

[JoeKing]

Oh I’m complaining about the Steelers game as well. Only reason he had a shot at winning is bc that same defense kept them in the game. Dan sucked the majority of that game. The only reason he needed to have a game winning drive was due to his own errors in that game. Also it’s not like he scored or didn’t anything any other QB couldn’t. There were no tight windows, two long plays from RB, te, and full back. Those guys are the ones that made that winning drive and dunk and dunk nfl qb could make.

Yeah, you're complaining now about it, but you didn't then.

 

[diamonddelts]

Well I think you could get to a super bowl in the past with Dak if you built the right team around him.

Stopped reading here.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Serious Question



Why is Dak always absolved of any blame when it comes to his poor play. After every INT, its either the receiver ran the wrong route or didnt do enough to break the pass up (see both ints when targeting ceedee in the endzone). After every fumble in the pocket (Sacks are a qb stat). And the most frequent excuse is scheme and lack of weapons. Was this not the same scheme when he was 2nd in mvp voting last season?







Cowboys twitter is filled with posts like this one. This is now the third offense where Dak fans have casted blame on the scheme.

The last question I pose is, what supposed top-5 QB have you seen constantly given these excuses for poor play? If he is as good as yall say, shouldnt his talent be able to overcome a “bad scheme”?

You are correct, absolving Dak of any blame is just stupid...................however, I will also say the opposite can be true as well, those absolving the defense and running game are just as stupid.

When the other team does not punt one single time the entire game, dont give me 100 posts talking about how bad the QB sucks.

Just saying there are other problems on this team other than Dak.

 

[WillieBeamen]

You are correct, absolving Dak of any blame is just stupid...................however, I will also say the opposite can be true as well, those absolving the defense and running game are just as stupid.

When the other team does not punt one single time the entire game, dont give me 100 posts talking about how bad the QB sucks.

Just saying there are other problems on this team other than Dak.

Nobody is doing that