Question for the pro-Dak fans on here?

[G2]

Whats different on this offense besides Pollard and Tyron?

Dak has gotten the excuses of:

Scheme (same scheme as last year)
Receivers (same receivers as last year)
Coaching
OL
No run game

The last two are the only reasons I will allow.

 

[Cmac]

This is the absolute dumbest, in a long list of things, that you people say. It is a screen shot of a player's face - you can find dumb looks for everyone.

Just total idiocy to think that you can make assumptions about a player's mental state based on a screen shot of their face. Like to people not remember Eli?

Morons masquerading as body language experts and calling everyone else stupid. You should be embarrassed.

Got you covered.....since we're going there and I didn't really want to.

 

[DandyDon52]

They're blaming that interception on CD when he had no chance on the ball.

"He should have acted with more urgency about not being able to catch it."

Pure insanity.

I just watched it, and running the route he did, no way he could defend that pass.
The pass looked to be behind cd if the defender wasnt there.
The problem was dak should not have thrown it, 2-3 detroit guys there and the under guy easily got the int.

Now the coaching ,plays, play calling, game plan were all bad , team was not prepared or motivated.
They gave up easy, players not playing hard, so it was a team wide issue, but still dak played really bad too.

We have what 11 more games of this same thing, because jerry just said he isnt replacing MM during the season.
Jerry wont discipline any of the player lol so "here we go" !!
They will be doing good to win 5 more games, which would put them at 8-9.

I would like to see them make the playoffs , so they can crash and burn in wc or div round, but they may not
make playoffs this season. I dont think jerry wants to go to playoffs.

 

[zenmastersauce]

Troy Aikman just detailed what his eyes see when it comes to our WR group.

Exactly and he ain't the only one. Brady noticed it as well as others. It's clear as day

 

[zenmastersauce]

So we are bottom in everything on offense and the QB doesnt share any blame in that? Stop it man.

We all watched the Steelers game. Dak did almost everything to LOSE that game. That run game and OL is what won it for us on the last drive. A lot of those stats are skewed because of the awful Lions game.

Dak is like 3rd in yards and Ceedee is 5th in receiving. How is this possible if nobody is getting open and he doesnt have time to throw?

Nevertheless, my op wasnt just about this season. This is going on about 5 years now. Dak just HAS to be excused somehow when the team isnt performing well.

I could be wrong but Troy came out and said on film hes seeing bad route running. Cool. Im not doubting what Troy is saying there. But where is his concern about Dak’s play? Thats what im talking about

Come on Willie. At no point did I say he didn't deserve blame. The first thing I said was he deserves blame for his play not everyone's. That Steelers game he played bad for 3 quarters but at least managed to get us a win. It was ugly and he doesn't get excused for the other misses but we won so I'll take it. On to the next one.

As far as stats go, it's very easy to figure that part out, we are 3rd because all we do is pass. And if you look at the teams with the most passing yards all have poor records. It's pretty obvious that it's not balanced in that regard.


As far as other seasons, that's just reaching back just because. He was 2nd in mvp voting last year. Had his best year and yet I don't care what he did. I only care about this year and what we aren't doing collectively. Everyone including him.

 

[gtdRR]

Well I think you could get to a super bowl in the past with Dak if you built the right team around him. That is if the Salary Cap situation is right, his age and ability at that age, and who you have surrounding him at that time. I think the window of getting to a super bowl with Dak is long gone. He is taking up too much of the cap. He is not in his prime. Just look at Dak under pressure, he doesn't have the instincts he had in 2016 to avoid a sack. He doesn't have the mobility anymore to run and make the other team pay. He holds onto the ball for to long. He takes the sack. Can we rebuild the line fast enough, while he ages and declines every year and rebuild the defense and running games at the same time constrained by his contract? Some on here says, Jerry just has to wave his magic wand and do some shifting and we have plenty of capital to pay players, just because the cowboys and other teams tend to do to some extend every year, but you can only do it to a limited extent and it still will effect the quality of players you try to surround him with. Then they'll ***** about him not having receievers, running game, OL, defense, etc...

You're right and it goes back to my original point of Jerry should have extended Dak way earlier or he should have not extended him at all and let him walk. Jerry did the worst thing possible which was re-signing him at the very last minute with no chance to use the freed up cap space to build.

I'm just of the mindset that I know what kind of player Dak is at this point and he isn't going anywhere anymore, so now my hate of what I see on the field goes straight to Jerry because he's ultimately responsible for the crap product on the field. If no run game and no defense, then it should have been no Dak for $60mil because he's not elite. That's squarely on Jerry.

 

[plasticman]

First of all, the fact that we are even discussing interceptions is ridiculous. The Cowboys did not lose that game because Dak threw two INT's

After Dak's first INT, the Lions still had to take the ball 80 yards to score....which they did.

The 2nd INT came with a score of 40-9. At this point, it's not about protecting the ball.

Dak is playing behind two rookies with no running attack while losing by at least two scores most of these games. He is constantly being chased across the field while looking for an open receiver.

There is no play action running because no defense is going to be sucked in. That's because there is nothing scary about the Cowboys RB's.

Often, a good quarterback will win you a game. Sometimes, he is a non-factor. There are occasions were even a good quarterback will be a liability.

Few remember that Tom Brady threw three INT's in three consecutive drives in the NFC championship game with the Bucs. It was the Buc defense that made sure Brady didn't have to pay for those mistakes. That is what good teams do.

The Cowboys have a poor defense right now. Most is due to injury, some to a new defense and some to a flawed personnel strategy. This is far more responsible for their current standing than Dak.

There is no other QB in the league today, or perhaps even in the past that has been expected to shoulder the burden given Dak.

The fact that Dak is the "highest paid player in history" is not the result of ability matching expectations, it was simply the mismanagement and incompetence of the top decision makers for the Cowboys football operations.

Fans should stop the convenient, but lazy, method of choosing a single player to scapegoat. They should put the blame where it belongs....where it has always belonged.

The Dallas Cowboys are poorly structured, poorly operated, and poorly managed, no matter the quality of players.

 

[J_Allen]

I just watched it, and running the route he did, no way he could defend that pass.
The pass looked to be behind cd if the defender wasnt there.
The problem was dak should not have thrown it, 2-3 detroit guys there and the under guy easily got the int.

Now the coaching ,plays, play calling, game plan were all bad , team was not prepared or motivated.
They gave up easy, players not playing hard, so it was a team wide issue, but still dak played really bad too.

We have what 11 more games of this same thing, because jerry just said he isnt replacing MM during the season.
Jerry wont discipline any of the player lol so "here we go" !!
They will be doing good to win 5 more games, which would put them at 8-9.

I would like to see them make the playoffs , so they can crash and burn in wc or div round, but they may not
make playoffs this season. I dont think jerry wants to go to playoffs.

They absolutely don't need to make the playoffs. It's better for the team in the long run because we all know what happens whenever the Cowboys show up to round one. Just skip the playoffs and take the draft pick.

Noticed how I said "they." I don't use "we" any longer. There is no we. It's Jerry and his family and then people dumb enough to keep giving him money, who he treats with nothing but disdain.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

QB's never win a game by themselves. Someone has to make the catch, someone has to block.

You can choose to define carrying the team to your standards. But some say a quarterback can carry a team through a game when he is able to elevate otherwise no-name receivers into being good and come back in a game that the team should've lost. This is not exclusive to the cowboys, where people think it was the quarterback that elevated those around him and carried the team to victory.

 

[CowboyFrog]

He also played in a run-and-shoot offense.

Lol Marv didnt run the run and shoot he ran the first hurry up offense but it was far from the run and shoot, called it the K gun...Warren Moon ran the true run and shoot in houston....The Bills actually had a very good run game with that little know back Thurman something cant remeber..lol

 

[Clove]

Serious Question



Why is Dak always absolved of any blame when it comes to his poor play. After every INT, its either the receiver ran the wrong route or didnt do enough to break the pass up (see both ints when targeting ceedee in the endzone). After every fumble in the pocket (Sacks are a qb stat). And the most frequent excuse is scheme and lack of weapons. Was this not the same scheme when he was 2nd in mvp voting last season?







Cowboys twitter is filled with posts like this one. This is now the third offense where Dak fans have casted blame on the scheme.

The last question I pose is, what supposed top-5 QB have you seen constantly given these excuses for poor play? If he is as good as yall say, shouldnt his talent be able to overcome a “bad scheme”?

What are talking about? We have 28 years of bad management and you're talking about the stupid QB? Change QBs for all I care, same results. Remember Romo and the host of other QBs prior?

 

[SultanOfSix]

Lol Marv didnt run the run and shoot he ran the first hurry up offense but it was far from the run and shoot, called it the K gun...Warren Moon ran the true run and shoot in houston....The Bills actually had a very good run game with that little know back Thurman something cant remeber..lol

“The Buffalo Bills' ‘K-Gun’ offense was inspired by the ‘Run and Shoot’ offense, which was made popular by the Houston Oilers of Warren Moon. The Run and Shoot is a flexible, complex offense that relies on the intelligence of the receivers and the quarterback to read the defense and find open spots.”

This is from the result of a search in Google powered by AI.

It was a variation but it was still the same style of offense.

 

[Legend]

First of all, the fact that we are even discussing interceptions is ridiculous. The Cowboys did not lose that game because Dak threw two INT's

After Dak's first INT, the Lions still had to take the ball 80 yards to score....which they did.

The 2nd INT came with a score of 40-9. At this point, it's not about protecting the ball.

Dak is playing behind two rookies with no running attack while losing by at least two scores most of these games. He is constantly being chased across the field while looking for an open receiver.

There is no play action running because no defense is going to be sucked in. That's because there is nothing scary about the Cowboys RB's.

Often, a good quarterback will win you a game. Sometimes, he is a non-factor. There are occasions were even a good quarterback will be a liability.

Few remember that Tom Brady threw three INT's in three consecutive drives in the NFC championship game with the Bucs. It was the Buc defense that made sure Brady didn't have to pay for those mistakes. That is what good teams do.

The Cowboys have a poor defense right now. Most is due to injury, some to a new defense and some to a flawed personnel strategy. This is far more responsible for their current standing than Dak.

There is no other QB in the league today, or perhaps even in the past that has been expected to shoulder the burden given Dak.

The fact that Dak is the "highest paid player in history" is not the result of ability matching expectations, it was simply the mismanagement and incompetence of the top decision makers for the Cowboys football operations.

Fans should stop the convenient, but lazy, method of choosing a single player to scapegoat. They should put the blame where it belongs....where it has always belonged.

The Dallas Cowboys are poorly structured, poorly operated, and poorly managed, no matter the quality of players.

Dak appears to be regressing or on a decline in his career.

His regression started with the Wild Card game against the 49ers and the regression reached an advanced stage during the Wild Card game against the Packers.

Dak has not played that well this season and is not helping that much from an offensive standpoint… contributing to the Cowboys’ on the field embarrassments.

Now individuals in the media are increasingly criticizing Dak’s play, including Stephen A who states Dak looks good and polished everywhere except on the football field.

And in terms of a dog or “alpha” Dak is currently playing like a puppy. I.e., not elevating players around him.

 

[WillieBeamen]

What are talking about? We have 28 years of bad management and you're talking about the stupid QB? Change QBs for all I care, same results. Remember Romo and the host of other QBs prior?

yes. If that bothers you, feel free to post in another thread

 

[Chasing6]

Dak appears to be regressing or on a decline in his career.

His regression started with the Wild Card game against the 49ers and the regression reached an advanced stage during the Wild Card game against the Packers.

Dak has not played that well this season and is not helping that much from an offensive standpoint… contributing to the Cowboys’ on the field embarrassments.

Now individuals in the media are increasingly criticizing Dak’s play, including Stephen A who states Dak looks good and polished everywhere except on the football field.

And in terms of a dog or “alpha” Dak is currently playing like a puppy. I.e., not elevating players around him.

All QB's regress with no running game.

 

[plasticman]

Dak appears to be regressing or on a decline in his career.

His regression started with the Wild Card game against the 49ers and the regression reached an advanced stage during the Wild Card game against the Packers.

Dak has not played that well this season and is not helping that much from an offensive standpoint… contributing to the Cowboys’ on the field embarrassments.

Now individuals in the media are increasingly criticizing Dak’s play, including Stephen A who states Dak looks good and polished everywhere except on the football field.

And in terms of a dog or “alpha” Dak is currently playing like a puppy. I.e., not elevating players around him.

I still don't get the logic to blaming the quarterback for a loss in which the opponent scored almost 50 points. Really, I don't get it.

Are you saying that Dak's "decline" began when he wasn't able to answer the Packer's 48 points with 49 of his own?

Does anybody realize that the Dallas Cowboys have scored more points so far this season than both the Chiefs and the Eagles?

Dak has thrown for more TD's than both Hurts and Mahomes.

But Dak is regressing.....

 

[Streifenkarl]

He's not regressing. He's been doing what he has done for the last 8 years. Stats padding but shutting down when it really matters. Yes that winning drive against the Steelers was nice. But that has been the absolute exception lol. And Dak had more reg season yards than Mahomes last year too. Where did that take us?

You guys will continue to believe that he's a great QB even after he's long gone. Because of his regular season stats. Whatever guys. You do you.

 

[Legend]

He's not regressing. He's been doing what he has done for the last 8 years. Stats padding but shutting down when it really matters. Yes that winning drive against the Steelers was nice. But that has been the absolute exception lol. And Dak had more reg season yards than Mahomes last year too. Where did that take us?

You guys will continue to believe that he's a great QB even after he's long gone. Because of his regular season stats. Whatever guys. You

I am talking about playoff performance.

Dak played good in the divisional playoff games against the Packers and the Rams.

He played bad in his last 3 of 4 playoff games and is now not playing well in the regular season against not so good teams too.

I expect this trend to continue especially with the current Cowboys team.

Regardless of his regular season stats; Dak is 2-5 in the playoffs and has not won a divisional round playoff game.

 

[Legend]

I still don't get the logic to blaming the quarterback for a loss in which the opponent scored almost 50 points. Really, I don't get it.

Are you saying that Dak's "decline" began when he wasn't able to answer the Packer's 48 points with 49 of his own?

Does anybody realize that the Dallas Cowboys have scored more points so far this season than both the Chiefs and the Eagles?

Dak has thrown for more TD's than both Hurts and Mahomes.

But Dak is regressing.....

His decline started in the Wild Card game against the 49ers and is getting worse with his Wild Card performance against the Packers.

His not so good play has carried over into the current season and more stinkers should be upcoming.

Dak does not elevate his play during the post season.

 

[Chasing6]

Dak appears to be regressing or on a decline in his career.

His regression started with the Wild Card game against the 49ers and the regression reached an advanced stage during the Wild Card game against the Packers.

Dak has not played that well this season and is not helping that much from an offensive standpoint… contributing to the Cowboys’ on the field embarrassments.

Now individuals in the media are increasingly criticizing Dak’s play, including Stephen A who states Dak looks good and polished everywhere except on the football field.

And in terms of a dog or “alpha” Dak is currently playing like a puppy. I.e., not elevating players around him.

Dak has regressed so much if Mahomes throws for 370 yards and 2 TD's this weekend he will catch up to Dak.