Question for Those Who Feel Dak is All Stats No Substance

[817Gill]

Yeah I know so many Dak threads and believe me I’ve complained about it as well, but I have a genuine question I feel like would help me parse through if posters are genuine or not in this criticism.

For those who argue Dak is an empty stats guy, which I am not arguing for or against at this point, do you/did you feel the same about Romo?

Both guys have had some gaudy regular season stats only to not advance past the divisional, some playoff games they played well and some they didn’t.

I also don’t think either had crazy roster advantages over the other either. Both played on some really high end rosters and both played on some below average ones. Both had good coaching staffs and bad.

Did you/do you feel the same about Romo as Dak? If so, where did you rank Romo in his time playing, top 7/10/14?

 

[visionary]

Yes, Romo was a stat padder also
He was just a better thrower of the ball
Both in it mostly for the money and both company men who will toe the company line and not make waves so Jerry is happy

 

[ZekeTrain]

Both are the same. Both of their winning percentages against winning teams are well under .500

Both are great when the opponent is terrible.

Both are mediocre when the opponent is good.

You are what your record says you are and between the two of them we have a total of 3 play of wins in all their years. No championship game appearances either.

 

[817Gill]

Both are the same. Both of their winning percentages against winning teams are well under .500

Both are great when the opponent is terrible.

Both are mediocre when the opponent is good.

You are what your record says you are and between the two of them we have a total of 3 play of wins in all their years. No championship game appearances either.

I can see that

 

[Nav22]

Give Dak or Romo an elite defense and they’d both be very, very capable of winning a Super Bowl.

Simple as that.

And neither of them have EVER had an elite defense in the playoffs.

 

[jazzcat22]

There is no such thing as stats padding.
You play the game and the opponent on the schedule. You are behind so you must pass and never give up to try to come back. Therefore stats are accumulated.

So if a team is ahead and they keep running the ball to use clock. Why is that not considered stats padding for rushing yards.

Why are not all these yards considered team stat padding.
A team is passing to come back and you keep sacking the QB, is that Sack stat padding?

It is a made up term by fans that does not like a certain player. Period.

 

[Wangchung83]

Give Dak or Romo an elite defense and they’d both be very, very capable of winning a Super Bowl.

Simple as that.

And neither of them have EVER had an elite defense in the playoffs.

That couldn’t happen due to their demanding salaries against the cap, jerry has put cash into offense since 2013 or thereabouts. Really hard to round out a roster that is bloated on offense:/. Just my opinion

 

[doomsday9084]

Points against:
This year: 3rd
Last year: 7th
2020: 28th
2019: 11th
2018: 6th
2017: 14th
2016: 5th

2015: 16th
2014: 15th
2013: 26th
2012: 24th
2011: 16th
2010: 31st
2009: 2nd
2008: 20th
2007: 13th
2006: 20th

Overall, the general thought in my mind was that Romo consistently had terrible defenses. He was frequently in shootouts and fans would end up blaming him for a late mistake in a game the Cowboys lost 35-31. I don't think that Romo had a disproportionate number of empty calorie games.

IMO, Dak's stats are fine too, particularly early in his career. He did have one year where the team got smoked early and Dak put up big numbers in several games where Dallas was way behind playing against prevent defense. I believe that was 2019 that had games like this
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201911280dal.htm
and this
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201910060dal.htm

where the empty stats complaints started.

 

[Nav22]

That couldn’t happen due to their demanding salaries against the cap, jerry has put cash into offense since 2013 or thereabouts. Really hard to round out a roster that is bloated on offense:/. Just my opinion

Just because the Cowboys couldn’t build a great D around them doesn’t mean it wasn’t possible.

Other teams built great defenses around highly-paid QBs.

 

[GORICO]

Yeah I know so many Dak threads and believe me I’ve complained about it as well, but I have a genuine question I feel like would help me parse through if posters are genuine or not in this criticism.

For those who argue Dak is an empty stats guy, which I am not arguing for or against at this point, do you/did you feel the same about Romo?

Both guys have had some gaudy regular season stats only to not advance past the divisional, some playoff games they played well and some they didn’t.

I also don’t think either had crazy roster advantages over the other either. Both played on some really high end rosters and both played on some below average ones. Both had good coaching staffs and bad.

Did you/do you feel the same about Romo as Dak? If so, where did you rank Romo in his time playing, top 7/10/14?

Romo had total heart....saw him throw last second TD with herniated disc in his back and in obvious serious pain...and "the catch" #2 to Dez ruled catch and i think TD...it was obvious ball did not hit ground

but that squeezing of his "gun type" arms pushed ball up and he brought other hand to hold it as he crossed goal line....should have been ruled TD....yes i realize Packers had like 4 min left.....but maybe

DLawrence who had sack earlier would have gotten second one and dislodged ball and we fall on it and run out clock for victory?

 

[Qcard]

Yes, Romo was a stat padder also
He was just a better thrower of the ball
Both in it mostly for the money and both company men who will toe the company line and not make waves so Jerry is happy

A squirrel found......oops let me real!!!

Great Post

Ps. 90% of the players are in it completely for the $$$ IMO

 

[Qcard]

Give Dak or Romo an elite defense and they’d both be very, very capable of winning a Super Bowl.

Simple as that.

And neither of them have EVER had an elite defense in the playoffs.

 

[GORICO]

Just because the Cowboys couldn’t build a great D around them doesn’t mean it wasn’t possible.

Other teams built great defenses around highly-paid QBs.

Romo never had a "killer defense" like Dak does this year....we will be in January playoffs and no one wantst to play us come January because after this plat hits paydirt i will have to lay a Plat we stay

relatively healthy rest of year and teams come "shaking in their boots" to play us

 

[GORICO]

total agreement

 

[12+88=7]

There was an article that showed which QBs did the most with the least defensive support and Romo was the top QB for getting the least support.

If Dallas had any semblance of a top defense during Romo's tenure, Romo's career would be seen in a different light.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

When the 4th Q starts and we're getting slaughtered here comes to the rescue garbage stat padding Dakko.
30-0 at the start of the 4th in the one below and Dak finishes with.....D. Prescott19-39, 232 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT

If there was a GARBAGE HOF Dak would be a shoo-in!!!!

 

[TwoDeep3]

Here are a couple of questions I would like answered since 817Gill started a serious discussion about Dak, and Romo.

I have heard from many. many people on this board that if Romo had a defense....ect.

So, reviewing the history of Dak, other than his rookie season, when did Dak have a defense worth mentioning?

And if you can admit both Romo and Dak haven't had the defense, and both were sketchy against over .500 teams, how does that factor in?

My contention is Dak is a bus driver. I haven't always had that opinion. But I also think he is toward the top of the bus driver category. Which, like Romo accounts for the gaudy stats.

I see Dak as an area passer and Romo more surgical. But the results are statistically in the same ball park.

So if Romo could have gone deep in the play-offs had he a defense like the one we are seeing this year for Dallas, why would that opinion not apply to Dak?

Because bus drivers do win it all sometimes, when they have the right team around them.

 

[eromeopolk]

Yeah I know so many Dak threads and believe me I’ve complained about it as well, but I have a genuine question I feel like would help me parse through if posters are genuine or not in this criticism.

For those who argue Dak is an empty stats guy, which I am not arguing for or against at this point, do you/did you feel the same about Romo?

Both guys have had some gaudy regular season stats only to not advance past the divisional, some playoff games they played well and some they didn’t.

I also don’t think either had crazy roster advantages over the other either. Both played on some really high end rosters and both played on some below average ones. Both had good coaching staffs and bad.

Did you/do you feel the same about Romo as Dak? If so, where did you rank Romo in his time playing, top 7/10/14?

The shame for Romo and Prescott is neither could hold Danny White's jockstrap as White took the Cowboys to 3 straight NFC Conference Championship games (1 win from the Super Bowl).

The bigger shame is that Jerry Dumbo GM Jones will put both of them in the Ring of Honor that does not have Danny White, Ed Jones, Harvey Martin, and Cornell Green.

 

[conner01]

There is no such thing as stats padding.
You play the game and the opponent on the schedule. You are behind so you must pass and never give up to try to come back. Therefore stats are accumulated.

So if a team is ahead and they keep running the ball to use clock. Why is that not considered stats padding for rushing yards.

Why are not all these yards considered team stat padding.
A team is passing to come back and you keep sacking the QB, is that Sack stat padding?

It is a made up term by fans that does not like a certain player. Period.

I’ve never understood the whole concept
Over a full season your stats compared to others is just the reality
Every player gets easy and hard stats
That’s just football but over the whole season no one player gets more padded stats than another really

 

[sunalsorises]

If I had to pick between a prime Dak and a prime Romo, I’d take prime Romo.