Question for Those Who Feel Dak is All Stats No Substance

[rnr_honeybadger]

Both are good QB's Romo had smarts and a bad body Dak has smarts slower reaction time But if used right he can win He has done it

He has done it against bad teams. Has never consistently beaten the good teams which is what you get when you get into the post season. If the Cowboys are to win with Dak it requires a team that is going to carry him. He isn’t going to carry anyone.

 

[Cowpolk]

He has done it against bad teams. Has never consistently beaten the good teams which is what you get when you get into the post season. If the Cowboys are to win with Dak it requires a team that is going to carry him. He isn’t going to carry anyone.

Since 2016 Dak has more prime time wins than any active NFL QB

 

[McMicah]

I don’t hate either qb but I’ll try to give a genuine answer. I feel like both qbs were Jekyll and Hyde, but in very different ways.

Tony would play well and then randomly have spurts where he would go into hero mode and throw into ridiculously high risk scenarios. Definitely frustrating and not always necessary, though he often had no defense to protect his leads.

Dak plays well and then goes for periods looking like he is incapable of reading coverages and being just enough off target and late on throws that it causes picks or wipes out any hope of YAC. To me, Daks Mr Hyde is more frustrating, because it’s like he just drops his madden rating 20 points randomly. I think that’s why some people are frustrated or fully done with him in their minds

 

[Pantone282C]

Good observation about how similar the two QBs are in terms of playoff success. Both had opportunities to advance to an NFCCG. I would take Romo over Dak mostly because Romo is a better passer period. He also took more chances, but could deliver the tough passes more often, and could throw receivers open. Dak threw some zingers too, but Romo had the edge.

 

[terra]

More than likely they will both leave the boys without a ring.

 

[Silverz1972]

I just hope he recognizes when is is having an off game and listens to Jenny’s advice and run forest run.

 

[CWR]

Both are the same. Both of their winning percentages against winning teams are well under .500

Both are great when the opponent is terrible.

Both are mediocre when the opponent is good.

You are what your record says you are and between the two of them we have a total of 3 play of wins in all their years. No championship game appearances either.

Literally almost every qb in the league has a losing percentage against winning teams. That stupid argument needs to be retired already.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

They are on the same tier. Both are Average leaders who will win in the regular seasons but won't lead the team to playoff wins. What do I mean average leader when people in the locker room say he is a great leader? Just look at the last playoff game. We have a lack of leadership coming from the coaching since Jerrah doesn't let coaches be the true leader of the team. We need a quarterback that is a true leader that can provide leadership that isn't coming from the coaching staff. And why is Dak an average leader? Well who got mad in the last playoff game? Unfortunately, it was just us fans. I didn't see a single player get mad on the field. The players just accept it. We haven't had true leadership on the field by players since the 90's where when the team was slacking off during a game, you would see the players get mad and talk to their team mates to snap them out of it. We saw it by the Quarterback, by the wide outs, by the pass rusher, by many players back then. When is the last time you saw that kind of leadership on the field by this team? Dak is better than Rush, but I feel like we wasted too much time with mediocrity on this team, and from what I saw of Game 1 this year, we regressed when we should've gotten better. What have you seen from Dak that shows that he is going to change things around here. We've done great plenty of times during the regular season before only to fail in the post season. What does Dak show that he is good enough to break the cycle?

 

[leeblair]

Yeah I know so many Dak threads and believe me I’ve complained about it as well, but I have a genuine question I feel like would help me parse through if posters are genuine or not in this criticism.

For those who argue Dak is an empty stats guy, which I am not arguing for or against at this point, do you/did you feel the same about Romo?

Both guys have had some gaudy regular season stats only to not advance past the divisional, some playoff games they played well and some they didn’t.

I also don’t think either had crazy roster advantages over the other either. Both played on some really high end rosters and both played on some below average ones. Both had good coaching staffs and bad.

Did you/do you feel the same about Romo as Dak? If so, where did you rank Romo in his time playing, top 7/10/14?

There's a big difference; albeit similar results.
Romo and Garrett went pass happy and racked up big stats until they reached the red zone.
Because they abandoned the run, they couldn't move the ball once the field shortened and the defenses could cover the receivers.
Romo could have been great, but he ended up being a flop.
But Dak isn't as good as Romo was. Romo was at least capable of being great if he hadn't been allowed to go pass happy.
Dak doesn't have the mentality of a NFL quarterback. He chokes when the game gets too big. Romo thrived on it.
But both have hurt the Cowboys more than helped.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah I know so many Dak threads and believe me I’ve complained about it as well, but I have a genuine question I feel like would help me parse through if posters are genuine or not in this criticism.

For those who argue Dak is an empty stats guy, which I am not arguing for or against at this point, do you/did you feel the same about Romo?

Both guys have had some gaudy regular season stats only to not advance past the divisional, some playoff games they played well and some they didn’t.

I also don’t think either had crazy roster advantages over the other either. Both played on some really high end rosters and both played on some below average ones. Both had good coaching staffs and bad.

Did you/do you feel the same about Romo as Dak? If so, where did you rank Romo in his time playing, top 7/10/14?

stats are substance. Do Micah’s sacks mean less because we didn’t win a sb?

 

[McKDaddy]

In order to answer this question fairly, I'd have to think both QBs were similar in talent. I do not. I think Romo was considerably better.

Thinking the two are remotely similar in talent is indeed a bad place to start.

 

[Motorola]

Since 2016 Dak has more prime time wins than any active NFL QB

Cowpolk - define what "prime time" wins are - as you understand them to be - because I think there is no clear meaning which televised games each season fall under that category \ label for every fan.

 

[Cowpolk]

Cowpolk - define what "prime time" wins are as you understand them to be...because I think there is no clear meaning which games in an NFL schedule fall under that category \ label for every fan.

The games that the NFL calls prime time I have no control over that

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

If there was a GARBAGE HOF Dak would be a shoo-in!!!!

Do you really think Dallas should stop trying to win a game, just because they're behind?


If there was a GARBAGE HOF for fans... you'd be a shoo-in!!!!

 

[Motorola]

The games that the NFL calls prime time I have no control over that

Do you know what games the NFL catergorizes as "prime time"?
Where did you see the data and \ figures that qualify the Cowboys have more "prime time" wins.

 

[john van brocklin]

Yeah I know so many Dak threads and believe me I’ve complained about it as well, but I have a genuine question I feel like would help me parse through if posters are genuine or not in this criticism.

For those who argue Dak is an empty stats guy, which I am not arguing for or against at this point, do you/did you feel the same about Romo?

Both guys have had some gaudy regular season stats only to not advance past the divisional, some playoff games they played well and some they didn’t.

I also don’t think either had crazy roster advantages over the other either. Both played on some really high end rosters and both played on some below average ones. Both had good coaching staffs and bad.

Did you/do you feel the same about Romo as Dak? If so, where did you rank Romo in his time playing, top 7/10/14?

EXCELLENT QUESTION !!!!!

 

[Cowpolk]

Do you know what games the NFL catergorizes as "prime time"?
Where did you see the data and \ figures that qualify the Cowboys have more "prime time" wins.

It is easy to find just do a search it is not hard to do even I did it

 

[Motorola]

It is easy to find just do a search it is not hard to do even I did it

What's the problem in sharing the information with others since you stated you know about it (and apparently know one else here at CZ does?).
Can't provide a link - or list the source by name?

 

[plasticman]

Both are the same. Both of their winning percentages against winning teams are well under .500

Both are great when the opponent is terrible.

Both are mediocre when the opponent is good.

You are what your record says you are and between the two of them we have a total of 3 play of wins in all their years. No championship game appearances either.

Another thing they have in common is the General Manager. That would never be true on any other team.

 

[Bullflop]

I've always felt like both Romo and Dak were pretty closely talented. If pressed to assess ratings, I'd have to say both ranged anywhere between the top 8 and 14, league-wise at various points in their careers. I think Romo had a far better mental grasp of the game, while Dak has a greater advantage in his physicality. They both appeared to run into problems vs. very good teams.