Question for Those Who Feel Dak is All Stats No Substance

[Cmac]

Romo never had a "killer defense" like Dak does this year....we will be in January playoffs and no one wantst to play us come January because after this plat hits paydirt i will have to lay a Plat we stay

relatively healthy rest of year and teams come "shaking in their boots" to play us

How was the defense the year TRomo and JWitt went to Cabo?

 

[Swagger]

There was an article that showed which QBs did the most with the least defensive support and Romo was the top QB for getting the least support.

If Dallas had any semblance of a top defense during Romo's tenure, Romo's career would be seen in a different light.

And as a result a lot of the mistakes Romo made were forced upon him trying to do too much due to a lack of help mostly on the defensive front.

 

[Swagger]

Points against:
This year: 3rd
Last year: 7th
2020: 28th
2019: 11th
2018: 6th
2017: 14th
2016: 5th

2015: 16th
2014: 15th
2013: 26th
2012: 24th
2011: 16th
2010: 31st
2009: 2nd
2008: 20th
2007: 13th
2006: 20th

Overall, the general thought in my mind was that Romo consistently had terrible defenses. He was frequently in shootouts and fans would end up blaming him for a late mistake in a game the Cowboys lost 35-31. I don't think that Romo had a disproportionate number of empty calorie games.

IMO, Dak's stats are fine too, particularly early in his career. He did have one year where the team got smoked early and Dak put up big numbers in several games where Dallas was way behind playing against prevent defense. I believe that was 2019 that had games like this
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201911280dal.htm
and this
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201910060dal.htm

where the empty stats complaints started.

Those stats say it all. It's funny as some people claim the 2014 defense (without the only All Pro in Sean Lee) was better than the D in 2016.

 

[Swagger]

How was the defense the year TRomo and JWitt went to Cabo?

Did the defense hesitate on their route to prevent a touchdown being scored in the closing seconds to beat the Giants? 2007 is a good example of why you need players to execute regulation plays otherwise you will not win big games against the eventual Superbowl Champions. A quarterback is unable to catch his own pass into the bread basket yet will receive the blame. Go figure.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Did the defense hesitate on their route to prevent a touchdown being scored in the closing seconds to beat the Giants? 2007 is a good example of why you need players to execute regulation plays otherwise you will not win big games against the eventual Superbowl Champions. A quarterback is unable to catch his own pass into the bread basket yet will receive the blame. Go figure.

Weren’t the 2007 Cowboys like in the top 10 most penalized teams in the NFL? If anything that team was a good indication of why coaching matters

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Do you know what games the NFL catergorizes as "prime time"?
Where did you see the data and \ figures that qualify the Cowboys have more "prime time" wins.

Its the late games like Monday Night Football, Sunday Night Football. When I first thought of prime time in the post, I was thinking playoff games, important game. But like Deion was known known as prime time for being a highlight in those late games. Prime Time is when the whole nation is watching, because that is the only game on at that time. And the only reason Dak would have the most Prime Time wins is because the Cowboys play the most prime time games because the networks want them in that slot. For Example, Cowboys and Giants each had 6 prime time games in 2016. Then there are tiers for 5, 4, 3, 2,1, and I assume 0 prime time games. Even though the Cowboys haven't been world beaters in quite awhile they still get a lot of prime time games. So of course the guy who gets to play the most prime time games in his career has an advantage when it comes to having the most prime time wins in that span, whereas the guy who plays the least prime time games during the same span has no chance of obtaining that position.

 

[Cmac]

Did the defense hesitate on their route to prevent a touchdown being scored in the closing seconds to beat the Giants? 2007 is a good example of why you need players to execute regulation plays otherwise you will not win big games against the eventual Superbowl Champions. A quarterback is unable to catch his own pass into the bread basket yet will receive the blame. Go figure.

So some QBs don't get blame. TRomo was 18-36, 201 yards and a RB (Barber) with over 100 yds rushing. We scored 17 points in that game. (Cooper Rush numbers that we just marveled at). And concluded with a game-ending Int to the late Terry Glenn (RIP) in double coverage. D gave up 21 and more than 13 minutes remained in the game when the G-Men took the lead on their final score. We can dissect this in any way instead of tipping the scales one-sided..

 

[erod]

Yeah I know so many Dak threads and believe me I’ve complained about it as well, but I have a genuine question I feel like would help me parse through if posters are genuine or not in this criticism.

For those who argue Dak is an empty stats guy, which I am not arguing for or against at this point, do you/did you feel the same about Romo?

Both guys have had some gaudy regular season stats only to not advance past the divisional, some playoff games they played well and some they didn’t.

I also don’t think either had crazy roster advantages over the other either. Both played on some really high end rosters and both played on some below average ones. Both had good coaching staffs and bad.

Did you/do you feel the same about Romo as Dak? If so, where did you rank Romo in his time playing, top 7/10/14?

Did not feel that way about Romo because I didn't care about his stats either.

Romo was brilliant late in games, and he EVOLVED throughout his career into a truly elite quarterback who could read the game like an offensive or defensive coordinator.

Dak is in year 7, and he's regressed almost every year.

We need him to "get it" now because the window is closing on him.

 

[starfan1]

Both QBs have underachieved ! I’ll give Chokemo a little more latitude as he has Garrett longer

that said he took way to many chances regardless of the reason. When I watched him I was always worried about that crucial mistake where as with Dak I’m more worried he won’t take chances and is too easily defended

 

[Big_D]

The teams aren’t close. Dak from day 1 had a line and a league leading RB. Romo had Jerry making one horrible decision after another through the height of his career. The passing offense was the only thing that kept that team competitive. One season here or there means nothing without consistency or a GM who failed miserably to properly build a team around his QB.

 

[Ranched]

This topic has been beaten to death & is click bait for Prescott haters. Please discontinue the topic folks! We don't need much more negativity then we already have in the world today.

 

[Ken]

When the 4th Q starts and we're getting slaughtered here comes to the rescue garbage stat padding Dakko.
30-0 at the start of the 4th in the one below and Dak finishes with.....D. Prescott19-39, 232 YDS, 2 TD, 1 INT

If there was a GARBAGE HOF Dak would be a shoo-in!!!!

No other qb has ever done this.

Ever.

Garbage take.

 

[Vtwin]

Yeah I know so many Dak threads and believe me I’ve complained about it as well, but I have a genuine question I feel like would help me parse through if posters are genuine or not in this criticism.

For those who argue Dak is an empty stats guy, which I am not arguing for or against at this point, do you/did you feel the same about Romo?

Both guys have had some gaudy regular season stats only to not advance past the divisional, some playoff games they played well and some they didn’t.

I also don’t think either had crazy roster advantages over the other either. Both played on some really high end rosters and both played on some below average ones. Both had good coaching staffs and bad.

Did you/do you feel the same about Romo as Dak? If so, where did you rank Romo in his time playing, top 7/10/14?

You're asking us to rate the QB's based on win/loss.
The rosters or the coaching staffs have everything to do with win/loss, but nothing to do with the physical and mental ability of a QB.

Brady taking a terrible roster and poorly coached team to a 2-15 record wouldn't make him a worse QB than a Goff or a Foles taking a very good roster and well coached team to a SB win.

Also, why would you think anyone is not genuine in their criticism? They might very well be wrong, misguided, or just plain dumb, but why would anyone be so vocal about something they didn't believe themselves, especially with literally nothing to gain from it.

 

[Vtwin]

This topic has been beaten to death & is click bait for Prescott haters. Please discontinue the topic folks! We don't need much more negativity then we already have in the world today.

Negativity about negativity is negativity.

Seems like it is also click bait for Prescott lovers.

See what I'm saying?

 

[Ken]

Did not feel that way about Romo because I didn't care about his stats either.

Romo was brilliant late in games, and he EVOLVED throughout his career into a truly elite quarterback who could read the game like an offensive or defensive coordinator.

Dak is in year 7, and he's regressed almost every year.

We need him to "get it" now because the window is closing on him.

Yes, 2014 was amazing for Romo.

Other than that, where do you get that he was this offensive mind because the games he actually played around that year were pretty bad. lol.

2012 he led the league in Ints and in 2015 he had 7 picks to 5 tds....

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

No other qb has ever done this.

Ever.

Garbage take.

I think the point is that you would prefer a qb that does not make a habit of it.

 

[erod]

Yes, 2014 was amazing for Romo.

Other than that, where do you get that he was this offensive mind because the games he actually played around that year were pretty bad. lol.

2012 he led the league in Ints and in 2015 he had 7 picks to 5 tds....

Again, you can't see beyond the stats as usual. Interceptions get tipped, wrong routes happen, they get dropped.... they happen, or don't happen, for all sorts of different reasons.

No reasonable person would not say Romo is a dramatically better player than Dak. It's not even a worthy topic.

 

[Ken]

Both are the same. Both of their winning percentages against winning teams are well under .500

Both are great when the opponent is terrible.

Both are mediocre when the opponent is good.

You are what your record says you are and between the two of them we have a total of 3 play of wins in all their years. No championship game appearances either.

Dak is currently 10th in winning percentage vs winning teams.

Interestingly, Mahomes is first but only played 16 games vs winning teams in 69 career games. In contrast, Dak has played 42 in 86 games.

I think we are seeing the discrepancy.

Oh and guys like Watson and Carr....guys routinely spouted as being WAY BETTER than Dak, have 26% and 23% winning percentages vs winning teams (Dak 42%).

 

[Ken]

I think the point is that you would prefer a qb that does not make a habit of it.

Yet only are citing one game.

"Routinely"....lol

 

[Ken]

Again, you can't see beyond the stats as usual. Interceptions get tipped, wrong routes happen, they get dropped.... they happen, or don't happen, for all sorts of different reasons.

No reasonable person would not say Romo is a dramatically better player than Dak. It's not even a worthy topic.

LOL.

"Reasonable person" I guess I am not reasonable. I was among the biggest Romo fans but you are completely delusional if you think Romo was "dramatically" better than Dak. If that was the case, he would have been given his job back #1.

I believe you forget the truly dumbfounding Ints that Romo was prone to. Led the league in ints one year with 19...had another year with 19 and finished 4th.

Romo also got to throw a LOT of easy Tds to a guy like TO. 38 to be exact.

Dak has NEVER had that type of player to throw to. Let alone a prime Witten next to him.